Darky said:
Exactly the same for me.
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Exactly the same for me.
I'm a Christian who believes in Jesus. I do follow beliefs such as accepting Christ as your savior and that the universe is created by God. While I may adhere to beliefs such as homosexuality being wrong, I actually don't mind homosexual couples getting married as long as they truely love each other. Also don't mind homosexuals adopting children as long as they are not abusive to their adopted children.
Religion is ridiculous, but the things that make it up have value. The notion of God or gods is a good thing, at least in my opinion. I think if the belief itself does not infringe on your or someone else's true will then it's alright. I am against every form of authoritarianism, be it religious or not. I dislike any person who "shoves religion down" anyone's throat. I am a bit of an ecclectic person, but have found a lot of things in Kabbalah and mystical ideas. I am a pretty down to earth guy even though my ideas can be wild at times.Aiko Heiwa said:
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We're all agnostic. Nobody knows for sure whether there is a god or creator for sure or not. Our religion is defined by what we chose to believe in, whether we're a theist or an atheist doesn't change that we're agnostic.
Anyways, I hold to Christian beliefs, but I'm not religious at all. I don't worship anything, and I do shit like tarot reading and asking questions to pendulums for fun.
Anyways, I hold to Christian beliefs, but I'm not religious at all. I don't worship anything, and I do shit like tarot reading and asking questions to pendulums for fun.
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Catholic charities paid for a life saving operation that my Mother needed,the artsy-fartsy Richard Dawkins association did not.
(and I'm an atheist too)
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Even if there's a God or whatever deity, he's/she's a shitty custodian of human events.
I don't care whatever reasons he/she may have, but so much shit was allowed to be brought into this world. I'd most likely wouldn't even bother worshiping him. Maybe.
I don't care whatever reasons he/she may have, but so much shit was allowed to be brought into this world. I'd most likely wouldn't even bother worshiping him. Maybe.
What are you implying? That religious charities can do some good from time to time doesn't mean religion isn't shit. Sometimes they do that even in spite of teachings of their faith. For example, James 5:14-15 advises to cure the sick by prayers and anointing them with holy oil. It mentions calling the elders of the church, but not a single word about doctor.bungholio said:
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DevilDog said:
This. I'd agree completely. I'm also a Christian, and I've witnessed some wacko people/institutions doing things in the name of God. Not all Christians are like that.
I'm a Christian of sorts, in the sense that I believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and the value of his teachings, but I'm not a strict conservative Christian or even a strict monotheist. My views are kind of weird, I believe in the possibility of other gods and spirits, I guess you could say I am an eclectic Christian.
My family never really believed in anything, but I went to catholic school for all 12 years.
One time in 1st grade, the teacher was telling us about the Genesis creation story, the whole 6 days thing. Like any other young boy, I was obsessed with dinosaurs, so I asked how God could have put humans on Earth after only 6 days if science says the dinosaurs existed millions of years before that.
My teacher's answer was that before God made the "real" earth that Genesis is talking about, He made a "practice" earth where he put dinosaurs and other prehistoric life. When he was done with that one, he blew it up and used the rubble to reform the new earth, which is why we find fossils and other physical records buried in the ground. Oh, and the Bible's authors didn't think the practice earth was important enough to write about, which is why no one ever brought it up before.
When I asked why a perfect, infallible God would ever need to "practice" anything, the teacher decided to distract the class by having us play duck-duck-goose.
That was pretty much the start of my descent into weak atheism. Weak atheism is basically where you say, sure, there might be a deity and of course I have no way of proving/disproving it, but come on, deities are pretty damn useless to any practical concern and damn near everything can be explained without one anyway.
One time in 1st grade, the teacher was telling us about the Genesis creation story, the whole 6 days thing. Like any other young boy, I was obsessed with dinosaurs, so I asked how God could have put humans on Earth after only 6 days if science says the dinosaurs existed millions of years before that.
My teacher's answer was that before God made the "real" earth that Genesis is talking about, He made a "practice" earth where he put dinosaurs and other prehistoric life. When he was done with that one, he blew it up and used the rubble to reform the new earth, which is why we find fossils and other physical records buried in the ground. Oh, and the Bible's authors didn't think the practice earth was important enough to write about, which is why no one ever brought it up before.
When I asked why a perfect, infallible God would ever need to "practice" anything, the teacher decided to distract the class by having us play duck-duck-goose.
That was pretty much the start of my descent into weak atheism. Weak atheism is basically where you say, sure, there might be a deity and of course I have no way of proving/disproving it, but come on, deities are pretty damn useless to any practical concern and damn near everything can be explained without one anyway.
Raised Catholic, now sort of an agnostic/weak atheist.
But I get easily annoyed with people who say "I hate religion," but really just mean Christianity. I also find it strange that the people most likely to condemn you for calling a group of people "ignorant goat herders" are often the first people to chime in that religion is the stuff of "ignorant goat herders" (because the nomadic lifestyle is eminently inferior).
And, as a bibliophile, I get kinda angry when people casually speak about ripping up religious texts out of some forced attempt to be edgy. Not like there wasn't anything in any of those texts that can hold any value, real or fictional.
Which kinda leads to my next gripe: So what if the texts are all fiction? Fiction has value; fiction often teaches better than non-fiction; hell, we require fiction reading in our schools.
But I get easily annoyed with people who say "I hate religion," but really just mean Christianity. I also find it strange that the people most likely to condemn you for calling a group of people "ignorant goat herders" are often the first people to chime in that religion is the stuff of "ignorant goat herders" (because the nomadic lifestyle is eminently inferior).
And, as a bibliophile, I get kinda angry when people casually speak about ripping up religious texts out of some forced attempt to be edgy. Not like there wasn't anything in any of those texts that can hold any value, real or fictional.
Which kinda leads to my next gripe: So what if the texts are all fiction? Fiction has value; fiction often teaches better than non-fiction; hell, we require fiction reading in our schools.
I live (and was raised) in a part of the world on which Christianity left its imprint particularly. Moreover, in a mostly Catholic country, in which separation of church and state is a joke. That's why focus on crticizing Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism. If I lived in Middle East, Islam would be my primary concern (assuming I would still be alive). If lived in India, I'd hate Hinduism mostly.
I think it comes pretty close to my view.
While I may be a strong atheist (I am sure no gods exist) I do find the moral framework of Religion to be useful. I don't limit my morals to Christianity though, which trolls hardcore "xtians" far more than any half baked rant about... well really anything a 13 year old Atheist has to say.
That being said, I was once a 13 year old Atheist. But time passed, and I have now lived long enough that I'm more than double the age where I first came around to the idea of just going with my heart and no longer professing a belief I didn't actually feel to be true.
Yes, I'm old. FACK!
That being said, I was once a 13 year old Atheist. But time passed, and I have now lived long enough that I'm more than double the age where I first came around to the idea of just going with my heart and no longer professing a belief I didn't actually feel to be true.
Yes, I'm old. FACK!
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I felt like re-sharing my ideals this morning mostly due to sheer boredom until I must rush off to errands.
I have...a very complicated relationship with deities and higher beings. Doubt lingers in the back of my head here and there, and I am rather frightened of the knowledge that one day I will not be around. It is why I am very easily duped into things fear mongers spread.
During my early teenage years, I began to have incredible doubts regarding this loving God I was told about as a lad. It was a severely dark time in my life; my mother had kidney cancer, not a single person in my household seemed to care, and I was powerless to stop any of it. My father left an impression upon me that he did not care for my mother, or I. Just his lazy bastard brother who ‘oh so claims to love us’, but that is a tale for another time. I questioned why such things were allowed to happen to just about anyone in the world; why was my mother stricken with an illness that would kill her?
Well, when I turned...sixteen? Something very fascinating occurred. Our ‘family’ had a rather huge falling out, and we were essentially evicted from one of the nicest homes we owned. Back on the apartment scene, my uncles were forced to part ways with the family after sixteen years of living with us. My mother recovered from her illness in a month. That’s...remarkable time for something like that to happen.
Now, many will say ‘oh that was just medical science, now that she wasn’t stressed about life, etc. etc.’, but that was one of many things that convinced me that there is some sort of entity out there.
I remember sitting down with my mother and asking her what she believed, and she said she believes in a God of some kind. I asked her specifically, ‘what makes you believe in a God?’
She told me of an eerie occurrence in which she was stalked by a random woman for three years. Three, years, the same exact woman; never coming toward her, never doing anything but staring at her from a distance... When visiting my grandmother’s house, she encountered a photograph of that same exact woman, and after that day, she never seen her again.
Then, there was her sister. My auntie, who passed away four years ago, had gotten into a severe car accident that left her in a coma for...three months or so? It has been a very long time... Well, when she awoke, members of my family were there to jog her memory with photographs. My mother showed her a picture of myself and my sister, and she named the two of us. This would not be so chilling if she had not known anything of my sister prior to that day. My sister passed away before she could turn one, and my mother never told a soul about her.
There were many stories we exchanged, but speaking with her gave me my own concept of a God, a Devil, and Heaven. Rather than believing that a wicked man was condemned for going against God’s will, I believe that any evil being that exists is in its own ‘Heaven’. Hell does not exist, as it is only referred to that by those who believe bad things happen to bad people. Instead, those who are bad will be in their own version of Heaven. Basically, depending upon a person’s beliefs, whether it be atheist, on the border, or holy, there is some form of Heaven waiting them in the next realm. Those who relish in good deeds and helping their fellow man will be in an existence of purity and calm, whereas those who murder and sin will thrive in what others would refer to as ‘Hell’. I dislike the idea that people must be punished for being ‘evil’; if they enjoy sinning, then Hell would not be Hell to them.
Tl;dr: I believe there is a deity of some kind and a plane of existence that caters to the ideals of every person. It sounds silly, but it is how I see ‘faith’. My apologies in advanced for incoherency, lack of my usual prosing and errors, I’m running on no sleep currently.
I have...a very complicated relationship with deities and higher beings. Doubt lingers in the back of my head here and there, and I am rather frightened of the knowledge that one day I will not be around. It is why I am very easily duped into things fear mongers spread.
During my early teenage years, I began to have incredible doubts regarding this loving God I was told about as a lad. It was a severely dark time in my life; my mother had kidney cancer, not a single person in my household seemed to care, and I was powerless to stop any of it. My father left an impression upon me that he did not care for my mother, or I. Just his lazy bastard brother who ‘oh so claims to love us’, but that is a tale for another time. I questioned why such things were allowed to happen to just about anyone in the world; why was my mother stricken with an illness that would kill her?
Well, when I turned...sixteen? Something very fascinating occurred. Our ‘family’ had a rather huge falling out, and we were essentially evicted from one of the nicest homes we owned. Back on the apartment scene, my uncles were forced to part ways with the family after sixteen years of living with us. My mother recovered from her illness in a month. That’s...remarkable time for something like that to happen.
Now, many will say ‘oh that was just medical science, now that she wasn’t stressed about life, etc. etc.’, but that was one of many things that convinced me that there is some sort of entity out there.
I remember sitting down with my mother and asking her what she believed, and she said she believes in a God of some kind. I asked her specifically, ‘what makes you believe in a God?’
She told me of an eerie occurrence in which she was stalked by a random woman for three years. Three, years, the same exact woman; never coming toward her, never doing anything but staring at her from a distance... When visiting my grandmother’s house, she encountered a photograph of that same exact woman, and after that day, she never seen her again.
Then, there was her sister. My auntie, who passed away four years ago, had gotten into a severe car accident that left her in a coma for...three months or so? It has been a very long time... Well, when she awoke, members of my family were there to jog her memory with photographs. My mother showed her a picture of myself and my sister, and she named the two of us. This would not be so chilling if she had not known anything of my sister prior to that day. My sister passed away before she could turn one, and my mother never told a soul about her.
There were many stories we exchanged, but speaking with her gave me my own concept of a God, a Devil, and Heaven. Rather than believing that a wicked man was condemned for going against God’s will, I believe that any evil being that exists is in its own ‘Heaven’. Hell does not exist, as it is only referred to that by those who believe bad things happen to bad people. Instead, those who are bad will be in their own version of Heaven. Basically, depending upon a person’s beliefs, whether it be atheist, on the border, or holy, there is some form of Heaven waiting them in the next realm. Those who relish in good deeds and helping their fellow man will be in an existence of purity and calm, whereas those who murder and sin will thrive in what others would refer to as ‘Hell’. I dislike the idea that people must be punished for being ‘evil’; if they enjoy sinning, then Hell would not be Hell to them.
Tl;dr: I believe there is a deity of some kind and a plane of existence that caters to the ideals of every person. It sounds silly, but it is how I see ‘faith’. My apologies in advanced for incoherency, lack of my usual prosing and errors, I’m running on no sleep currently.
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Why do people make these controversial threads?
I don't see it as a problem. Nobody's calling out atheists arguing that they're all sinners and going to hell, nobody's singling out any religious groups saying that they're all immoral shitheads who believe in a false prophet, it's just people stating what they believe in and why. I wanted to make a thread on spiritual belief a loooooong time ago, but thought it'd cause a ton of arguments and decided against it. I made a thread on politics, and it proved me wrong, so yeah.Great Unclean Chris said:
