SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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First, do no harm.

Doctors and surgeons have been trying for a hundred years or more to perfect, or at least get acceptable results from, genital reassignment surgery. There are multiple issues with this surgery, even in its most basic forms. Early surgeons performed fairly simple, brutal surgeries- one MtF patient died as a result of an attempted uterus transplant, but for the most part, surgeons just removed unwanted organs and structures. They weren't attempting to build functional vaginas or penises, at most, just something that looked about right from a distance.

The surgeons who are currently performing many of these surgeries are seemingly constrained by no medical ethics. Patients are routinely brushed off, ignored, or told to move on to a different doctor if they have complications. This is an issue as there are no doctors outside these little networks who practice these experimental procedures.

I'm posting this thread to watch for the doctors' responses to their patients, which are incredibly unprofessional and dismissive, and for reviews and problems with surgeries. Several Reddit forums that once compiled the issues and problems of these patients have been removed. Many of these patients are terrified that their surgeon will recognize them, if they ask for help, and ban them from further treatment. Many have been told to shut up about their problems, pressured by the community to downplay the side effects and difficulties so they don't "scare people off" of surgery.

This pressure extends to any media coverage of people who had serious issues with their surgeries or transition:

I do not think any patient deserves to be treated this way, especially those suffering from a disability/illness like this. Whether you think it's mental illness, physical mismatch with the true self, or just a fun thing people can do- no surgeon should be posting these kind of results, with this much damage done to people, and this kind of treatment. These people do not have other doctors to turn to, for complications, because these are not standard surgeries. It's possible to see ten vaginal construction surgeries and see ten completely different procedures. There is no other type of surgery that is done this way.

Whether or not you like or believe in the condition of transgender people, they are human and are being treated as guinea pigs.

These doctors are taking advantage of this community. The amount of drama and saltiness this causes is incredible, when it can be found.
/r/neovaginas and /r/detrans are where a lot of the victims of these experiments post, seeking advice. There's no advice. The trans community has no support for these problems. Side effects of testosterone and estrogen/progesterone are not even being fully researched. Many trans people have had cancer of the prostate, uterus, cervix, and heart problems, or other issues, due to their treatment.

Again, the doctors encourage the community to quash dissent or questioning.
The doctors have a stranglehold, there are damn few of them and the people who want the surgery know better than to speak up.

I'm posting just a few quotes to start and reserving the second post for images. I'll add to this OP as I find more.

Jess Ting, Marci Bowers, Suporn, Rumer, Raphael...

A link describing the various basic bottom surgeries. Orchiectomy, mastectomy, hysterectomy and penectomy are the simplest and oldest, safest procedures. All the rest will vary depending on surgeon, time of day, if they had decaf for breakfast, what the weather's like...
Jazz' second dick butcher surgeon, Dr. Jess Ting, is being accused of having botched someone badly on r/Transgender_Surgeries.

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Also from the Jazz Jennings thread,
These kind of surgeries are never going to be anything but botched because they're never gonna have the result they expect: a real vagina.

Gonna post the thumbnails for reference only and just to have an idea of what's what they've done with Jazz, so let's not go OT.

I apologize in advance for the horror:

Jess Ting is well known in the transgender community as the doctor you DON'T want to go to.
Dr. Rumer:
If anyone does end up making a thread about SRS surgeons, don't forget to include Dr Rumer:


Archive:
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Lack of informed consent:

There's no going back/HUSH YOU'LL SCARE THE EGGS:

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It's not that they're talking about their own experience, they're literally killing people.

Home cutters (unlicensed random people performing surgery)
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Not all is well in paradise it seems like with extra blood coming out of his netherbits as of late. (What do you mean extra blood? Does it just spill blood everytime you dilate?)
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After doing some digging on who this Dr. Hyer was I found out that apparently Colorado is a trans surgery capital in the US, with Denver Health holding 30 to 15% of all vaginoplasty surgeons in America.
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Now, apparently, Jennifer Hyer does both FTM and MTF surgeries and really does seem to believe in the cause, and if my research tells me anything i.e a reddit thread (post-GRS AMA w/Hyer / 7week postop update), she's a former student of Marci Bowers, whom you may know as Jazz Jenning's surgeon.
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Although if you've kept up with that series you'd know that ended up hellishly awful so God knows what Kevin has going on down if she really goes along with Bower's instructions. And if Google is anything to go by, she isn't a very good doctor herself either.
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All in all, he's beyond fucked even if this shit heals somehow, I wouldn't trust a doctor like this with my life.
I don't want to PL too much but I know exactly where they're talking about, I was internet aquaintences with the tranny who started it back in the day, it was in Shelton, WA. It wasn't actually a farm, although it was a farm style house and he had a handful of chickens and a sheep. The only other person who lived there was his super psycho tranny gf who 41%ed like 9 years ago. The doc who did the operations didn't live there but would come up when a surgery was scheduled (he was also another tranny)

The OR and electrology station was in a shed they built specifically for that purpose.

Steampunk Phil actually reminds me a lot of the tranny who started that clinic, although I think the bootleg clinic tranny was a little too misanthropic to ever want to start a commune. His name is Beth Flannagan, also known as "Beth X"

An acceptable, safe alternative that usually has less complications is zero-depth, this is just using the existing skin to make a vulva (external women's genitalia) without trying to build-in a vagina (internal structures)

It's less common because these doctors build up expectations and refuse to be honest with patients, but the people who've had it done aren't getting harmed, and seem all right with it. For a lot of them it's about getting rid of the things that "make" them the other sex, this does that very effectively.
 
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reserved for images/excuse my double post.

suggestions for OP will be implemented ASAP.

Dr Ting:

Images:

"he's not responding because he's on the front line of the pandemic" my ass:

more of the same, with a list of alternate doctors that will ignore them:

Explanatory video about peritoneal surgery (something like what Jazz had done, but not the same. Every single doctor and every single procedure is different, I can't emphasize enough how fucked up that is, no standard procedure.):
coursera video- go through to original link to view. couldn't archive the full video.

context:

list of procedures with images/video:

It may have been said, but...


"A normal sized speculum (2.5 cm wide) could be used in 74% of women (37/50), whereas the smaller type (2.0 cm wide) had to be used in the remainder of women. Only in one patient insertion of a speculum was impossible due to almost complete obliteration of the vagina. Although this was not a study criterion and therefore not scored, a foul smell of the vagina was observed in most patients.

tl;dr: The neovag can't sustain lactobacillus to compete with maladorous bacteria, and despite regular betadine washes and people saying they don't smell, most people think they do. Next question, does it feel like a second asshole or not.
Horrible srs complication:
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More pictures.


The butcher was Marci Bowers. The monster who destroyed the genitals of Jazz Jennings who was only 17 at the time.

Also even without the flesh wound the result looks gross.
Sadly the only one who won is Bowers the Butcher. He had a new victim to multilate & got $$$$$. :(
That's exactly what's going on. Surgeons have their own techniques. Bowers is different from Wittenberg who is different from Ting etc. And let's not forget the differences in other countries like Thailand etc.

And when something goes wrong & the original surgeon refuses to help you, you are fucked because it's hard to find a surgeon who is willing to touch the work of someone else.

Hell, in Thailand it's impossible because touching the work of another surgeon is seen as disrespectful.

no images-
Thailand:
a review of Kamul:

A bad time, but hush now, why are you talking about it:
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There's no way for a foreign patient to sue for malpractice in Thailand.

if you are talking about complications, you must be the enemy:
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thread:

IMAGES ARE NOT NICE:
orchiectomy done by one surgeon, means another one (Suporn) won't deal with it.

Once they get a bad result from one place, they can't go to another to get it fixed.
 
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A thread on this needed to be made. These surgeries are gay conversion therapy, but taken the opposite direction and physically as well psychologically damaging. Hopefully we look back on them the same way we remember lobotomies- a barbaric attempt at fixing a problem that we do not fully understand, which destroys peoples lives in the process.
 

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Isn't this what was going on with Kevin Gibes? I remember reading that his doctor was telling him his neovag was normal but it looked so disgusting and discolored I doubt that was true. Then he tried contacting her and she ghosted him for a while. I haven't kept up with the thread recently so I don't know if he still stuck with the same doctor or what happened after..
 

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Isn't this what was going on with Kevin Gibes? I remember reading that his doctor was telling him his neovag was normal but it looked so disgusting and discolored I doubt that was true. Then he tried contacting her and she ghosted him for a while. I haven't kept up with the thread recently so I don't know if he still stuck with the same doctor or what happened after..
Yep, his doctor has been refusing to even talk to him for months now. Still stuck with the same doctor, and the neovag seems unusable due to Kevin having had sex, but not once bragging about having anything be inserted into it other than fingers and his dilators. He says that it is still "healing" one year in.
 

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Isn't this what was going on with Kevin Gibes? I remember reading that his doctor was telling him his neovag was normal but it looked so disgusting and discolored I doubt that was true. Then he tried contacting her and she ghosted him for a while. I haven't kept up with the thread recently so I don't know if he still stuck with the same doctor or what happened after..
That is normal.
 

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Isn't this what was going on with Kevin Gibes? I remember reading that his doctor was telling him his neovag was normal but it looked so disgusting and discolored I doubt that was true. Then he tried contacting her and she ghosted him for a while. I haven't kept up with the thread recently so I don't know if he still stuck with the same doctor or what happened after..
Yes, that's part of the reason I started the thread- we were talking about this needing to be a thing.

It was really the Kev posts that spurred me. He and Jazz have gotten such bad treatment. Whether you support this process or not, it's bad. And the peer pressure on people with serious problems to shut up about it is really obvious with Kevin in particular.

I'll either link images or spoiler them. This thread might get disgusting if you're brave, but if you're squeamish don't open spoilers.

edit: this thread is about the doctors and surgeries, complications and bad responses from both the medical and broader trans community to people with troubles. It's not meant to debate the need/use of the surgeries, or just to post cursed images.
 
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I don’t understand why trans activists would want to downplay this issue. Don’t they usually heavily push back on idea of “normalizing” surgeries and/or “the snip”? This subject is such a depressing train wreck.

They don't want people considering transition to back out. It's "misery loves company".

Even more importantly, the doctors themselves putting pressure on them to keep their mouths shut.

Imagine you've had your appendix out. It won't heal, there's no stitches, you get infected. Your surgeon ignores you, but if you complain online or try to do anything legal about it, you can't go back to them.

And no other doctor will touch "their" work. You can't get anyone else to fix it but them and if you piss them off, you can't even get them to help you. It's not just peer pressure to be quiet, it's the surgeons actively pressuring patients to defend them and/or be quiet about any complications, if they want any follow-up.
 

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These surgeries should not be done. They should not be ethically acceptable and anyone doing them should be struck off. The surgeons doing them, and the teams involved are all violating the spirit of the oath, and preying on those with severe mental illnesses, for financial gain or even worse, their own desire to experiment.
You cannot express this opinion in the field btw.
The lawsuits will start coming in about 8-10 years I reckon. That is what will stop or slow it,

pics are fine, but maybe spoiler them for the faint of tummy?
 

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This thread looks promising. I'll certainly be following this.

In terms of doctors, a good example I have is Kevin Gibes, as people have mentioned already, but I want to give it further elaboration. The OP there explains the sheer apathy of his doctor. Kevin is bleeding and tearing nearly a year out from his procedure, and his surgeon has told him to stop bothering them with his concerns, including a piece of necrotic tissue and tearing of the wound. Kevin regularly complains of complications which would put any surgeon into an immediate panic, but his surgeon has only told him to not bug them for six months. And, of course, the surgeon themselves studied under Jazz Jenning's surgeon.

What's interesting for me is how Kevin is incredibly eager to sweep his own suffering under the rug. Despite clearly living in pain and dealing with unceasing issues involving his neovagina, he has shared that his biggest concern is instead just being used as an example against SRS. His neovagina also looks hilariously awful, but that's another story.
 
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I don’t understand why trans activists would want to downplay this issue. Don’t they usually heavily push back on idea of “normalizing” surgeries and/or “the snip”? This subject is such a depressing train wreck.
They don't want people considering transition to back out. It's "misery loves company".

Even more importantly, the doctors themselves putting pressure on them to keep their mouths shut.

Imagine you've had your appendix out. It won't heal, there's no stitches, you get infected. Your surgeon ignores you, but if you complain online or try to do anything legal about it, you can't go back to them.

And no other doctor will touch "their" work. You can't get anyone else to fix it but them and if you piss them off, you can't even get them to help you. It's not just peer pressure to be quiet, it's the surgeons actively pressuring patients to defend them and/or be quiet about any complications, if they want any follow-up.

Exploitation at its finest, considering the growing boom of Transsexuality and being open about it, these hacks can sink there teeth into basically a incredibly young, and underdeveloped medical field that only Nazi Scientists in the past before only ever CONSIDERED it, let alone actually doing it.

Its a combination of the "surgeons" wanting there monopoly, with the skewed and radicalized mostly left leaning trans communities, that create a vacuum of "shut up and say what we tell you to say, or your fucked."

It boils down to Peer pressure and a greedy monopoly that creates this toxic scene, where surgeons will be happy that there patients suffer, as long as there mouth is stitched shut, and there "friends" keep them quiet about it, or else they will be thrown to the curb and left to rot, shamed by those they once thought as friends.
 

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I for one have really enjoyed repeatedly hearing that SRS is fine and offers no more risks than other "standard" surgeries during my time at med school thus far, while simultaneously being inculcated that all health outcome differences between demographics are purely due to social determinants/that there are absolutely no biologic differences between races to be aware of medically such as genetic disorders, bone marrow transplants, etc.

Thanks for making this thread - will watch with great interest.
 

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Exploitation at its finest, considering the growing boom of Transsexuality and being open about it, these hacks can sink there teeth into basically a incredibly young, and underdeveloped medical field that only Nazi Scientists in the past before only ever CONSIDERED it, let alone actually doing it.

Its a combination of the "surgeons" wanting there monopoly, with the skewed and radicalized mostly left leaning trans communities, that create a vacuum of "shut up and say what we tell you to say, or your fucked."

It boils down to Peer pressure and a greedy monopoly that creates this toxic scene, where surgeons will be happy that there patients suffer, as long as there mouth is stitched shut, and there "friends" keep them quiet about it, or else they will be thrown to the curb and left to rot, shamed by those they once thought as friends.
Yes, precisely.

Some of the surgeries are well-documented and standard- mastectomy, penectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy. Those are sensible enough for someone who does need some kind of physical assistance with gender.

It's the plastics, the construction of excess parts for appearance, and the hopes up of the patients for function, that are really damning when you look at these procedures.
There are so many potential complications and no way to treat someone who's had these new surgeries done- the variation is insane.

The community of people who want or need this medical care is not to blame for the unsound medical practices or the neglect of patients at all. They are held to their silence as much by the doctors doing this as by anything else.

Activism, I think, takes a backseat to the fear that no doctor will treat.

@PickledPeppers wait until you get your first sickle cell case. They get treated like drug seekers by the medical field, but have a real disease that mainly affects younger black people.

There are genetic differences, they're more based on region of ancestry than race though, a black man from Sierra Leone is more likely to have sickle cell than one from London.
 

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Let's talk about Jazz Jennings.

He had srs with the butchers Ting & Bowers at age 17. Since he had a micropenis because his puberty was stopped at 10 he got an experimental surgery.

Before srs

Jazz never sexually matured, his penis was like 2 inches. He also never developed a sex drive or the abbility to orgasm. Despite all this Bowers the butcher told him to figure out how to orgasm before srs - of course it was impossible for him to do so and every sane person could have known this.

According to the teen herself, the “big O” hasn’t happened for her yet: “My libido’s still basically nowhere,” she admitted, addressing a subject she’s talked about in the past. Back in July 2017, she shared on the show that her libido is a lot lower than most teens because of the hormone blockers she’d been taking. But when it came to sex, she shared that she was “not worried about suppression having longterm effects on [her] sexual drive.” She said, “I know that once I fall in love and I really admire another individual that I’m going to want to have sex with them.”

But now, Dr. Bowers worries about what that will be like. “Jazz does not know what an orgasm is and it’s very important when expressing intimacy,” she said in the new episode. “And although it is not something that’s going to delay surgery, it’s not going to be any easier for her to have an orgasm after surgery.”


According to Jazz, her surgeon Dr. Marci Bowers believes that the 16-year-old “needs to start figuring things out in terms of trying to have an orgasm,” not only so she knows what it feels like but because having an orgasm will help expand the skin and give doctors more to work with during the gender reassignment surgery.
(the video is disturbing)

He was only 16 (!!) in the video. Online rags & Tlc talked indepth about the genitals & sex life of a child. Fucking depraved and disgusting.

After srs

surgery nr. 2
Shortly after srs his crotch fell apart

surgery nr. 3
Later he had to undergo another surgery
It's disturbing that he thinks his clitoris is sooo sensitive when all he felt was pain. Recently he complained about it being NOT sensitive.

future surgery nr. 4
Turns out he can't piss correctly so he needs another surgery. In the video Jazz and his mom act like it's a good thing that he doesn't need to undergo it right NOW.

The butchering left him with huge scars and his monster of a mother (who is an abusive, insane narc btw) claims it's all part of his "journey".
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More like his journey to join the 41%.

What happened to this young man is terrible and there are thousands of Jazz Jennings' out there who are left sterilized, multilated and forever unable to experience their bodies like normal people. What's happening here is a crime. Dr. Mengele would be so proud.

Btw. The genital multilation is just 1 out of the countless horrible things surrounding Jazz and his fucked up family. You can go to the Jazz Jennings thread for more horrors.
 
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Not surgeons, but there's some horrifying interviews with doctors in this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html
Norman Spack (the guy who got Susie Green the Mermaids CEO's kid on hormone blockers) features, and says when he first heard about the Dutch protocol of using Lupron and similar drugs on prepubescent children, "I was salivating... We have to do this."
Others pontificate about whether it's reasonable to make a child wait until they're 16 to make permanent changes to their body with experimental procedures.
 

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