SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Ronnie Rocket]

I haven't even gotten into the use of hormone blockers and hormones in general, mainly because there are a great fat number of doctors willing to prescribe. They're less hostage to a small number of mengele types than the people getting bottom surgeries.

It's horrid to do anything beyond allowing the underage to dress/act how they like. I understand puberty might have additional challenges for some, but they're too young to consent and decide this kind of thing. Disabilities come with difficulties, and going through difficult puberty is the struggle for those who are trans, I suppose. You can't allow kids to do anything dangerous or irreversible, so it's just their burden to deal with.

Back in my SJW days I was full of the Kool-aid and I fully believed that hormone blockers would simply delay puberty and that if the kid ever changed their mind they could stop taking them and if they didn't then cool deal, they start taking cross-sex hormones and get SRS later.

I'm not medically or biologically ignorant. I know how human development works. And yet trans activists are so vocal and COMPLETE information about hormone blockers is so lacking - especially in the party line talking points - that I completely ignored how puberty works and took the misinformation bait hook, line, and sinker.

And while the misinformation fed to the public as good PR is shameful, lack of informed consent to patients and parents is horrifying. They're destroying children's bodies and not telling them the full truth about what the medications will do to them BEFORE they even consider getting butchered surgery.

 

[brutal poodle]

This guy seems like he might belong:


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https://www.tobymeltzer.com/blog/2018/6/14/dr-toby-meltzer-is-a-dangerous-surgeon

https://archive.md/TcoA8

(Pics of fucked results inside. Nope, not gonna go in there myself!)

That's what I'm here for!

Spoiler: Toby Meltzer's "Work"

 

[T0oCoolFool]

I'm glad this thread was made, I know some people like to laugh at and point at trans identified people, but at the end of the day, most are not lolcows, a lot are decent people that are confused and being lied to about the realities of transgender surgery. I'm also glad you made the OP from a place of compassion and facts. I feel terrible for confused kids or adults who try to look up information about transgender surgery and all they find is "good" results. They find a bunch of sites that glamorize and just flat out lie about how "awesome" everything is.

Every single time someone posts a question on one of the reddit trans subs, all you see is comments from people claiming how amazing it is and how it's totally worth it. Anything negative if downvoted or quietly removed. I'm not going to link it, but last week I found a 12-13 year old girl posting on reddit. She went from a regular young girl to lesbian to trans in 4 freaking months! The worst part is how she is being encouraged to go down this path and everyone is telling her how amazing it will be.

I do wonder if maybe long term, there should be a separate board for this subject? Maybe there could be a separate thread for each doctor? That way, if you're searching for one butcher, you can find information about them in the OP and then see all the horrors they produce in one place VS trying to look through a huge thread that hosts everyone. Idk, I just feel like long term this thread could get really cluttered and long. Either way, good job OP.

 

[AmbiTron]

Glad this thread was made, it was sorely needed. Troon doctors are god damn butchers and they should be thrown in prison or made to experience the hell they give to others while promising heaven. As far as I'm concerned even the 'good' ones are disgusting subhumans for going along with the delusions of troons and performing generally unsafe 'surgeries' on fetishists and people with broken brains. I don't like trannies, but I don't like the people who would do this to a fellow human being even more. Fuck 'em.

 

[SiccDicc]

What I'm basically reading here is we're allowing the equivalent of a back-alley abortion in a hospital setting?

Whew. I need a drink.

 

[Fapcop]

Back in my SJW days I was full of the Kool-aid and I fully believed that hormone blockers would simply delay puberty and that if the kid ever changed their mind they could stop taking them and if they didn't then cool deal, they start taking cross-sex hormones and get SRS later.

I'm not medically or biologically ignorant. I know how human development works. And yet trans activists are so vocal and COMPLETE information about hormone blockers is so lacking - especially in the party line talking points - that I completely ignored how puberty works and took the misinformation bait hook, line, and sinker.

And while the misinformation fed to the public as good PR is shameful, lack of informed consent to patients and parents is horrifying. They're destroying children's bodies and not telling them the full truth about what the medications will do to them BEFORE they even consider getting butchered surgery.

Don’t forget that doctors often can’t give out good, accurate information because they don’t know much about the long term effects!

What’s are the consequences of puberty blockers etc. 20-30-40 years down the line? They don’t know.

What are the consequences on brain development? They don’t know.

How would being on puberty blockers for just a year or two affect later development and fertility? They don’t know.

They don’t know because nothing like this has ever been done before. The closest thing was when they lobbed testicles off little kids a few centuries ago, so they could become castrati singers. (Well, Mengele & co. also did some funky experiments with transplanting uteruses and messing with hormones.)

But all of it is basically medical experiments that would never be approved by an ethical review board a few decades ago. Or today, unless you slap the “trans” label on.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I do wonder if maybe long term, there should be a separate board for this subject? Maybe there could be a separate thread for each doctor? That way, if you're searching for one butcher, you can find information about them in the OP and then see all the horrors they produce in one place VS trying to look through a huge thread that hosts everyone.

The farms isn't a trans ressource website. They can create their own platform for srs butchery. Also everyone can use the search option. One thread is more than enough.

 

[T0oCoolFool]

The farms isn't a trans ressource website. They can create their own platform for srs butchery. Also you can always use the search option. 1 thread is more than enough.

Not saying kiwifarms is a resource site, not should it be... but when topics become big enough, it warrants a separate board for easier reading. Right now I think a thread is fine, but I think it will get bigger and cluttered relatively fast, especially if people start sharing posts from more niche forums (like Susan's Place) that contain candid results that aren't easily found elsewhere.

 

[brutal poodle]

Patient discusses and shows bleeding, puss filled neovag 14 MONTHS after a revision (archive)

I don't think this archive worked very well, but here it is.

https://archive.md/WsvSZ

Spoiler

Anyone that would like to start from the beginning and follow along, I've done a blog on Realself for the interim. I'm adding stuff daily. https://www.realself.com/review/vaginoplasty-complete-disaster-beginning JANUARY 15TH, 2019 UPDATE!! Hey folks, I'm sorry this is taking me so long. I've run into host problems and I've had to change things up. It's not a bad thing in the end, but I'm taking it to its own domain and site, free of the over-watch content police. Apparently, most of the blogging sites have algorithms that have a difficult time discerning healthcare and educational images from porn. It's just a hassle explaining everything over and over. I should be finished with the first release round that contains everything from start to now within about 10 days. Then I will post the new url. I haven't quit on this, I'm more fired up about the possibilities now more than ever. Mostly because it's been such a long and painful process to recover from. It's not just me either. I've talked to a lot of people who have faced this kind of situation and even years later, they can't find any closure. I'm not just talking about my situation with Gallagher. I'm talking about a variety of surgeons. But I'm not speaking for anyone else, and I'm not doing this for revenge. I'm doing this to be heard and to heal from the trauma I've felt from my GCS experience that has continued for almost two years. Last January, Dr. Sidhbh Gallagher, and her staff urged me to focus on my experience when telling people my story. So, here we are. This is going to be fun and I promise you, there will be some WTF moments. I'm not sure how long this image will stay up but I'll put one of the December result images below. If you're wondering why my scar is still like this or why I haven't gone to my regular Doctor -- let me tell you, I have. On multiple occasions. I waited for the last three months for a recommendation from my primary care physician with IU-Health, the largest employer in Indiana, and in the end, he said --"I don't know who to send you to". Ya, I waited three months to hear that. FYI - this is 14 months AFTER the revision


This is only the 2nd half of my GCS experience, with plastic surgeon Sidhbh Gallagher M.D. in Indianapolis, Indiana starting in late March 2017. To be more specific, I'm referring to MTF Vaginoplasty or bottom surgery. This story isn't a personal vendetta against Dr. Gallagher. I’m not out for retribution, notoriety or money. I have no intention of pursuing any kind of litigation either. There’s no need to embellish or exaggerate any of the circumstances to get my point across about the pain and misery I’ve faced through much of the 11+ months post-surgery experience. It’s laid bare in the emails we exchanged over the entire course of my recovery and the revision that followed. If I don't speak up, and say something about my experience, nothing will change. Potential and current GCS patients won't ask the questions they should be asking during their consultations or demanding the disclosure of problems when their surgeon stone-face them or deflect their questions when they ask. No one should take it for granted that they are getting all the pre-surgery, risk/complication information they should have when seeking this level of surgery or tolerate a bait and switch in the level of post-surgery care. Surgery experience matters. A lot. FTM top surgery is not the same as MTF bottom surgery even if the surgeon refers to them both as Gender Affirmation Surgeries in order to obfuscate their lack of experience in one procedure or the other. With that said, the worst part of my year-long nightmare was that it didn’t have to end in the pile of rubble it did. I walked away from her clinic in February, of this year after another incident with her Coordinator. My crime? I forwarded an email to her staff on behalf of a panicked individual who had been unable to contact them for nearly 3-weeks. This simple task, set the end in motion. No yelling or screaming, no vulgarities, no real nastiness at all. It was, however, the turning point when I realized. I could no longer go along to get along. I made it clear in writing that I no longer felt welcome in their outpatient clinic. Since then, the only communication I’ve received in reply to my emails have been from her PA, stating that Dr. Gallagher would talk to me if I made an appointment. Even if I wanted to, I could no longer afford it. That matters very little because I haven’t made any request to return anyway. What I have done is follow through with the promise I made from the very beginning –provide them with updated result images. Sure, I’ve made some snarky comments, who the hell wouldn’t when you continue to have problems 19-months after your initial surgery? So, ya, In late June of this year, I sent them an email asking for an apology. Something simple, like, We’re sorry, this was an unusual situation, and your surgery could have been handled better. I thought if nothing else, they should acknowledge that. Yes, I know how crazy that sounds. But no, to make matters even worse, they thought sending me an official dismissal letter, with a fabricated reason for dismissal, was a better plan. What makes this all the more hilarious or tragically comical, is that I haven’t had a single verbal argument with any of them. I haven’t been anything but over-the-top pathetically pleasant every step of the way. Seriously, I never wanted difficulty or conflict and it was never there. OK, there was some difficulty -- BUT IT WAS WITH MY VAGINA! Anyway, glowing emails, ya, like every day -Dear Dr. Gallagher, you are the best, yada, yada, yada. Seriously, you do this when you're damaged and depressed and you're hoping the person that took your genitals apart will put them back together in a way that doesn't scare you. So after you've looked at what I went through below (and this is only half of it mind you). Just imagine what it feels like to get a registered letter like the one below from your gender affirmation surgeon of some 16 months for the dastardly deed of requesting an apology. Go ahead, Read it below, I'll wait right here.


Pretty cool huh?


So the questions I get. - Why did you need a revision? - Where's the first part of the story? - What happened that was so bad? The truth is my vagina is just plain hard to look at. My point here isn't too gross people out with gory surgery pictures. That's really the bottom line. Having said that, if I'm going to get you from that first week of surgery to now, so you fully understand the journey, it's going to take pictures of what started this entire mess, to begin with. I'll add some but they are going to be smaller low res images. I can only speculate as to why this went off the rails from the beginning. All I can do is show and tell you that it did. What I find to be the most tragic about my surgery is how it was handled and the fact that nothing was ever done about it as it fell apart. She didn't intervene in any way even after telling me that it would heal through something called Second Intention. She gave me a rudimentary explanation of what that meant, and I was an absolute fool not to research it fully myself, but hey, I trusted my surgeon. Had I done the research, I would have read the roadmap that would make up the next year of my life and the misery that comes with wound healing through Second Intention. So that was my mistake. I say that because this is something I would typically do and didn't. The first 8 images below are a spotty chronology of what happened right out of the gate. Basically, my vulva sutures started coming apart at the main incisions 9 days after surgery. Over the following months, this just snowballed into one problem after another because of the way it healed through the magic of Second Intention and restricted the vulva entrance. By August, it had become covered in granulation that was excruciatingly painful to the point of tears every day. Dilation became almost impossible due to the painful scar tissue and hypergranulation. I was able to do enough dilation with a small dilator to keep it open. You can see how it had healed by Sept. 27th, all pushed to one side with granulation on the inside. This is why I needed a revision. But wait a second, let's revisit that issue of healing through Second Intention. As I mentioned, I failed to 2nd guess Dr. Gallagher's notion that it was no big deal. Later I went back and did a cursory look with a basic google search which brought up the Wikipedia page for wound healing. Sure enough, we have bullet points. * Secondary intention is implemented when primary intention is not possible. * This is due to wounds being created by major trauma in which there has been a significant loss in tissue or tissue damage.[98] * The wound is allowed to granulate. * Surgeon may pack the wound with a gauze or use a drainage system. * Granulation results in a broader scar. * Healing process can be slow due to presence of drainage from infection. * Wound care must be performed daily to encourage wound debris removal to allow for granulation tissue formation. Was I told any of this? of course not. Let me tell you though, I sure the hell suffered the consequences. Looking back, what I find the most interesting about this vulva explosion is that she never gave me a reason for why it may have happened. Plenty of recognition that it did, but never an explanation as to why. Sure, there was swelling. Did we not expect the swelling? What could have caused that much swelling? Or, was it something else altogether? Keep in mind, I live 30 minutes from the hospital. I sent her images like this from the beginning asking if we needed to intervene and do something. Her course of action was to just let it heal through 2nd intention. This was all dreadfully painful and it went on and on like this for months but that's an entirely different story.


I probably don't have to say this but.... Full Disclosure. I have Nothing, Zero, Notta-a-thing to do with any official promotion, marketing or patient care for Dr. Sidhbh Gallagher's plastic surgery practice. We aren't hanging out at the local eatery like BFF's either. I'm just an Indy-based, now post-op, GCS patient, sharing their surgery experience with others considering the same. I don't want ANYONE reading my story concluding I am a paid mouthpiece for any surgeon. I will answer any questions you have, honestly and to the best of my knowledge.


At the moment, the only recovery period that's covered here are from results on and after the Nov 16, 2017 revision surgery.



Some of the same problems with sutures and hypergranulation began to appear about a 10 days after the revision. The were treated with silver nitrate.


As of January 2018, my biggest complaint by far is the scarring from the W-plasty at the top. I was never told I was having a W-plasty for my revision, only that she was going to "Bring this together" (see blue gloved image above). The potential for scarring was never mentioned. I expressed my dissatisfaction with the amount of scarring four weeks later. She felt comfortable with the extent of the scarring and that it would be acceptable as it matures over time. She also suggested I massage it in an effort to smooth and break up the lumpy tissue. That's just not going to happen. If you're wondering if I feel disappointed by that response, the answer is - Yes, definitely.


A note on depth. The depth has remained about 5" which is pretty good. Prior to the revision surgery, I was limited to the smallest purple dilator from the Soul Source set due to the scar tissue build-up and potential tearing. As of 12/20/2017, I can dilate using the largest green dilator -basically 4 sizes up, from the same set. I'd say that's a substantial improvement.


A quick look at VICRYL Suture Spitting

Below: Images from January 21, 2018


January 26th, 2018 An introduction to VICRYL Suture Reactivity. For some time know I've been having problems with suture "Spitting". This is NOT and allergy it is a reactive process that can happen in a few weeks or a few months. As you can see below what happens. Since I don't have any sensitivity in this area, I don't feel it forming under the skin. It starts like a small inflamed bump then splits open and "spits" out the semi-dissolved VICRYL suture material encapsulated in thicker than normal blood. It doesn't hurt as much as it surprises me. Ten months later, I've mentioned this problem several times with Dr. Gallagher, and sent her great image details of the process as it was unfolding elsewhere. After all of these attempts to understand what was happening the best she offer was "VICRYL sutures are known for being very well tolerated". That's it. Everything else I had to figure by doing my own research on the interwebs. This was totally unnecessary.


And this 5 days later


February 1, 2018 Overall things are looking pretty good except for the on going suture reactions in the scar at the top. Depth remains an easy 5" - 5 1/2".


February 8th, 2018 Updates This is my least favorite part of the result. It’s still sore and lumpy underneath. I keep it moisturized and I've used silicone scar tape. I'm feeling alright with the progress of the revision surgery --Except for the W-plasty scar. It's a problem it's lumpy its cracks and it's sore sometimes. I can't feel anything on the skin surface but I can feel pressure underneath. I asked for a clitoral reduction during the revision and Dr. Gallagher said there might be some temporary loss of sensitivity. I couldn't really tell that there was any difference afterward, but in the last several weeks I have noticed the sensitivity decrease of about 30-40%. It's remained about the same since. I'm not panicking because I've noticed an overall increase in feeling at the sub-layers of the labia tissue. Hopefully, this will continue to the skin surface. So it's clear, let me show you what my expectations were prior to surgery and again with the revision. Same goals for the most part.


Somehow I ended up here.


February and March Updates


You have no idea how difficult it's been to get this giant knot of a scar problem taken care of and fixed. I've been trying for two months now just to get a referral from my Primary Care Physician. I don't know why he insists on getting one from Dr. Gallagher, that wasn't my idea. I simply need one from my PCP. He's been my PCP for 10 years, sat in his office and cried about all this back in February so none of it is new to him. When I complained to Dr. Gallagher about it she told me to massage it. What do I even say to that? She was totally serious. Last week my PCP emailed me and said that Dr. Gallagher actually told them she recommended I go to Dr. Unger in Cleveland or Dr. Schechter in Chicago. LOL! Right, sure she did. More mystery mail no doubt. The truth is, she never made those recommendations and surprisingly enough, my PCP can't find any documentation of them either. Go figure. Add that to my list of: Things My Surgeon Never Disclosed. I suppose she could always say that she asked her Coordinator to send them and she didn't follow through. Kind of like the three times she promised to meet me in the hospital and never showed up or when she left me in a dark waiting room for 90 minutes on the morning of my surgery or when she didn't send me my revision surgery information until I had to call and ask for it days before it was scheduled. Either way, those recommendations, they never happened. Why even bother making that up at this point? Anyway, I wouldn't take my ugly scar all the way to Chicago or Cleveland when there are plenty of plastic surgeons in Indianapolis that could fix this. If you ask me, it seems as though she wants me to leave town so another local surgeon won't see her handiwork. This is how I felt when she referred me to a Physical Therapist on the outskirts of town she hadn't even met instead of one on the 4th floor of the same hospital like her other patients. Whatever, I liked my PT from FYZICAL. Still do. Honestly, I'm about ready to let this entire story unfold as it happened from beginning to end. I'm tired of trying to go through the proper channels and getting zero results. I'm just going to put the whole story online in every detail. It's a cautionary tale and there's a lot I haven't revealed about why I walked away from her clinic and care. Much of it has to do with her Coordinator. Not her whole staff or her PA, I think I spoke to her PA once. I 'm referring to her Patient Coordinator. Yes, the one that never returns your calls. There are plenty of other online complaints online referring to Dr. Gallagher's "staff", however, I'm referring to one particular staff member. When I finally told Dr. Gallagher that I no longer felt welcome or comfortable at her Clinic It was because of things her Coordinator was doing. Dr. Gallagher then exacerbated the problem by not paying attention and later helping herself to something of mine that wasn't hers to take without one word to me. Lying about verbal abuse and harassment on the patient dismissal form and the nonexistent recommendations....that's on Dr. Sidhbh Gallagher. No matter how you slice it, it's just wrong. Had it not have been for that move, I probably would have let all of this go. It's a bold move to fabricate something like that out of thin air. It's not something I expected someone trying to build a reputation for themselves to do. Unfortunately, it was dumb. BTW - Don't fret people, I sent Dr. Gallagher a copy of this image for her records. I think it's important she's up to date with the latest. Actual email below.


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:39 PM Just thought you might want to see how your handy work has turned out. I know you like to make stuff up, but I'm keeping it real. Don't worry, I'll make sure this is added to the rest of my online collection. I hope you dont feel like I'm harassing you with pictures of your own work. I still have the luxury of looking at this every day. The giant lump underneath is even more spectacular. I think it's important you see this so you can make adjustments and improve your surgery techniques. If people like me don't step forward and show others the truth, there's no incentive for you to do better. You and your coordinator have done to me what a million women in the #metoo movement are claiming. I feel assaulted and abused, not by men, but by my very own healthcare providers.


October 21st, 2018 - Just under 19-months post-op from first surgery 11-months post-op from the revision surgery Since I only left that one image from October 14th, I didn't want to leave anyone with the impression I was attempting to hide or conceal any part my results. We will have none of that. Here are some additional images. I turned off the flash on a few of them because it reveals more texture even if the lighting is dark in areas.


More from October 21st, 2018


I will continue to add more pictures as the healing continues. Contact: emmalou.wrinkles@gmail.com

 

[SiccDicc]

Don’t forget that doctors often can’t give out good, accurate information because they don’t know much about the long term effects!

What’s are the consequences of puberty blockers etc. 20-30-40 years down the line? They don’t know.

What are the consequences on brain development? They don’t know.

How would being on puberty blockers for just a year or two affect later development and fertility? They don’t know.

They don’t know because nothing like this has ever been done before. The closest thing was when they lobbed testicles off little kids a few centuries ago, so they could become castrati singers. (Well, Mengele & co. also did some funky experiments with transplanting uteruses and messing with hormones.)

But all of it is basically medical experiments that would never be approved by an ethical review board a few decades ago. Or today, unless you slap the “trans” label on.

I'm pretty sure the class action lawsuit with Lupron involving it being prescribed to precocious puberty children shows the long term effects.

 

[Ronnie Rocket]

Rat King member Katelyn Burns wrote an article for Jezebel on SRS surgeons failing their trans patients.

https://jezebel.com/when-surgeons-fail-their-trans-patients-1844774990?rev=1597854733082

https://archive.vn/lkpdi

There's some big names mentioned in this article: Rumer (the main subject), Bowers, Ting, and Dr. Daniel Dugi.

Dr. Dugi supposedly performed SRS on Kiwi Farms' own Philip Haskins-Delici in June 2018 (note: IF you believe that ADF actually had SRS - but that's another story). Earlier this year ADF also supposedly had a revision surgery, but did not say what sort of revisions were required. Amusingly, the following (from the Jezebel article) was happening around the same time Phil was recovering from his Medicaid-funded surgery:

In the summer of 2018, the group of trans people who had surgery with Dr. Dugi in Portland met with OSHU [sic] to discuss how the hospital could provide more trauma-informed care for its trans patients. An anti-trans campaigner named Walt Heyer, according to several people involved, acquired notes from the meeting between patients and the hospital under false pretenses, promising legal help and support for detransitioning to one of the complainants. It was help that never materialized. In late 2018, Heyer published the contents of the complaint he received in The Federalist, accusing the hospital of exploiting Medicaid patients to give Dr. Dugi early experience performing the procedure so he could move on to more lucrative patients. ​

9 Transgender Patients Complain Of Mutilation, Botched Sex-Change Surgeries In Oregon

Edit: Calling Walt Heyer an "anti-trans campaigner" is some bullshit, btw. Walt Heyer detransitioned in 1991 after 8 years as a trans woman.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

Good thread. Do you want to stick to surgeons or are the crazy psychiatrists and endocrinologists also welcome?

one of the things I find most horrifying/amusing about the entire troon phenomenon is the way the ‘specialist‘ doctors turn on each other.

Russell Reid

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1885302/

This is one of the patients in the complaint that caused Reid to be struck off:

Transgender lawyer has gender re-assignment surgery for THIRD time

Samantha Kane, from west London, said she 'had no choice' but to transition back to a woman again, following two previous sex changes. She had been living as Charles for 13 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Reid’s protege, Richard Curtis (Deadname = Vanda Zadorozny): https://zagria.blogspot.com/2019/07/richard-curtis-1967-doctor-yacht-racer.html#.X2-oei14WfA

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/07/uk-transgender-doctor-under-investigation-by-the-general-medical-council/

Drs Helen and Mike Webberley (still transing kids, but now from their Spanish Holiday home):

Trans teen who took own life was getting hormones from unregulated online clinic

Jayden Lowe, 18, died after being told he would have to wait years for gender reassignment treatment on the NHS.

metro.co.uk

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/20/gendergp-trans-clinic-moving-spain-uk-suspends-doctors/

 

[repentance]

One of the things which insulates these doctors from consequences is the informed consent model. Challenging that model itself has its pitfalls.

Many cutting edge treatments for common diseases are based on informed consent because they haven't been in use long enough for us to know the long term risks. Patients and doctors alike know that there may be unintended consequences, but it's a gamble both are willing to take when the danger of death is immediate.

Molecular medicine has been an absolute game changer in cancer treatment and I doubt anyone wants it to disappear because a bunch of troons were exploited for profit by reckless surgeons. If there's a challenge to the model itself, then the broader medical community has to choose between supporting the model or ceasing to make certain treatments available.

 

[cuddle striker]

One of the things which insulates these doctors from consequences is the informed consent model. Challenging that model itself has its pitfalls.

Many cutting edge treatments for common diseases are based on informed consent because they haven't been in use long enough for us to know the long term risks. Patients and doctors alike know that there may be unintended consequences, but it's a gamble both are willing to take when the danger of death is immediate.

Molecular medicine has been an absolute game changer in cancer treatment and I doubt anyone wants it to disappear because a bunch of troons were exploited for profit by reckless surgeons. If there's a challenge to the model itself, then the broader medical community has to choose between supporting the model or ceasing to make certain treatments available.

Cancer is a deadly disease- compassionate use and clinical trials for deadly disease are a different situation from this. You can't use therapy to cope with a brain tumor and wait to get surgery. It's a changing disease process, and must be treated. Using informed consent in life-threatening cases is sensible and of benefit.

Bottom surgery, even hormonal therapies, are for a static condition. Much like someone with, say, a benign tumor in an external place, surgery can always wait. Having no vagina is not life-threatening on a physical level and there's no need to make exceptions to accommodate a rush to surgery. Using informed consent in these cases is only ethically acceptable for standard procedures, not experimental ones.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

One of the things which insulates these doctors from consequences is the informed consent model. Challenging that model itself has its pitfalls.

Well, it's not really getting off the hook as long as you tell the patient there's a strong change they're just going to have a stink hole instead of a cosmetic miracle.

Here's the face of a satisfied customer not realizing that a hideous, minature abyss won't make people see them as a woman.
LINK

 

[cuddle striker]

Good thread. Do you want to stick to surgeons or are the crazy psychiatrists and endocrinologists also welcome?

one of the things I find most horrifying/amusing about the entire troon phenomenon is the way the ‘specialist‘ doctors turn on each other.

Any medical professional that's fucking people up for the quick buck, I think. And absolutely any people being told not to discuss complications, being brushed off by a doctor or ignored, etc.

The debate about what's necessary or not isn't really the point of the thread, it's more to find and gawk at doctors behaving badly and their interactions with victims

Well, it's not really getting off the hook as long as you tell the patient there's a strong change they're just going to have a stink hole instead of a cosmetic miracle.

Here's the face of a satisfied customer not realizing that a hideous, minature abyss won't make people see them as a woman.
LINK
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from that article, a few things jump out

11K.


This is why they've got the potential patients by the (literal and metaphorical) balls. You're waiting your turn, are you going to ask difficult questions? Can you really consent if you're under duress?


Suicide hotline at the end of an inspirational story



"Fully functioning" implies ejaculation. The hyperbole here is really troublesome. Is that "informed" consent? Is Bowers actually telling FtM that they'll have a penis that works? And more importantly, who did Bowers use as guinea pigs to "develop" this surgery?

 

[AbraCadaver]

This thread is great, my only issue is the archives do not save the actual pictures properly. So I took the liberty, of course.

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My suggestion? Upload all the images here in case they get taken down.

I could sculpt more believable genitals out of a potato.

Are we SURE the doctors have seen real genitals? Because right now it looks like they’re trying to recreate naughty graffiti drawings from school toilet stalls.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

This is why they've got the potential patients by the (literal and metaphorical) balls. You're waiting your turn, are you going to ask difficult questions? Can you really consent if you're under duress?

Obviously, there's no real regulation. This is going to bite troons in the ass, and it's contributing to NY's degradation. I have a feeling it will be the first thing to be cut (quietly) once COVID clears.

"Fully functioning

That's a very vague statement.

 

[repentance]

Cancer is a deadly disease- compassionate use and clinical trials for deadly disease are a different situation from this. You can't use therapy to cope with a brain tumor and wait to get surgery. It's a changing disease process, and must be treated. Using informed consent in life-threatening cases is sensible and of benefit.

Bottom surgery, even hormonal therapies, are for a static condition. Much like someone with, say, a benign tumor in an external place, surgery can always wait. Having no vagina is not life-threatening on a physical level and there's no need to make exceptions to accommodate a rush to surgery. Using informed consent in these cases is only ethically acceptable for standard procedures, not experimental ones.

I absolutely agree but the basis on which the SRS industry has developed to the extent that insurance companies now cover is SRS is that it's life-saving surgery - so they have literally tried to have it put in the same category as things like cancer treatments and to some extent they have succeeded. That should never have happened in the first place.

These doctors absolutely knew what they were doing when they campaigned to have SRS covered by insurance.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I feel dizzy reading this thread and I haven't even seen any pics.

This is a great example of the "and then one day, for no reason at all..." meme, the fact that this butchery has become so commonplace and is allowed to continue unabated is proof that something is fundamentally broken about modern society, the fascist backlash to all this is seeming more and more inevitable by the day.

It's just so fucking alienating when the programming of mainstream culture breaks down and you see reality for the nightmare that it is.