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Someone help me out here- is there a valid, legitimate reason why Disney would be deliberately wrecking Star Wars? I've got a few theories but none of them make sense. Feedback appreciated.
I'd say a mix of desperately wanting to make it their own (explaining the ST's utter lack of originality) and being too eager for cash to properly plan the trilogy out in advance (because why delay for consistency when you can get them rolled out ASAP). A deadly combination that has resulted in the rough patch the series is currently in, and who knows when Disney will start improving things...
 

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Someone help me out here- is there a valid, legitimate reason why Disney would be deliberately wrecking Star Wars? I've got a few theories but none of them make sense. Feedback appreciated.
I honestly don't think there's any sensible or reasonable explanation for why they're treating SW this way. Their treatment of the franchise is pretty insane and erratic. But I suppose any of the following may be possible:
A: Maybe there's a lot of internal drama going on regarding financial and creative decisions.
B: Kennedy has too much control and influence over it and they can't do jack about her craziness.
C: George still holds some sort of control and they want to fuck over the franchise because George is fucking them over.
D: They want to kill the franchise so as to make what came before it unpopular and prop up their new stuff as better which has backfired horribly, especially since it looks like they tried to do it as fast as possible.
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E: All of the above and that they're all just idiots and really fucking incompetent in all aspects except business, distributing budgets and managing their Swiss bank accounts, which seems to be becoming the case with every new bit of news that's been coming out this month.

And its not just SW, but quite a lot of things under Disney except the Marvel Cinematic Universe (and some unrelated cartoons that seem to be well received), and its success can be attributed to Marvel Studios and Fiege functioning partially separate from Disney until now. And some people will say Marvel as a whole is doing well, but their comics, cartoons, shows and games are all meh or terrible with the exception of the Capcom vs Marvel games, but that's mostly due to also being developed independently from Disney. Even the Disney films of olde are getting screwed over with mediocre remakes. Then there's the putrid Disney channel which has mostly been a horrifying mess of tween comedy for ages with cartoons taking a backseat.
 
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So what the fuck are they still resisting that would require them to broadcast the Luke Signal all over the galaxy?
And other than that... Luke's heroic deeds were forgotten quite easily by almost everyone in the galaxy despite toppling an entire empire and being a jedi, a war hero and whatnot. But somehow treating his life like a Lifetime movie and broadcasting it on space TV will make sure people don't forget about it this time... somehow.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but Luke's life isn't even that interesting now with the new trilogy. After defeating the Empire which the galaxy apparently didn't give two shits about he abandoned everyone and everything to live as a grumpy hermit, effectively created a new Sith apprentice by trying to kill his nephew while he slept, drank blue soy mîlk (available now at Star Wars Galaxy's Edge!) from some ugly aliens and disappeared like a fart in the breeze. Truly the message of hope the galaxy needs during these trying times.
 

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A: Maybe there's a lot of internal drama going on regarding financial and creative decisions.
B: Kennedy has too much control and influence over it and they can't do jack about her craziness.
Kennedy has never known what she was doing. Never. She got all of her producer credits for getting Spielberg coffee, being a casting couch girl, and marrying whats-his-name. She never had any creative input on ANY of the films she produced before Star Wars. That's a fact. She is, by all accounts, a massive cunt. Here's what we know:

>JJ hated her and her hand picked story group during TFA
>JJ hated them so much that he decided pass on TLJ
>JJ was PISSED at what Rian Johnson did with TLJ
>Bob Iger begged JJ to come back for ROS in order to "fix" things
>JJ agreed
>Bob Iger offered JJ the presidency of Lucasfilm
>JJ turned it down
>JJ got Bob Iger to install his personal assistant as Vice President of Lucasfilm
>JJ will be controlling Warner Bros through his movie deal, but will also be controlling Lucasfilm via his proxy
>Kathleen Kennedy is still technically President of Lucasfilm, but she will be doing fuck all until her contract is up
>Disney will "transition" Kathleen somewhere else, because firing her will make Disney look stupid and prove to all the pissed off fans that they were right all along

Unfortunately, you can't fix Star Wars. It's a dead brand, no matter who takes over Lucasfilm. The Last Jedi had too many franchise killing events that irreparably harmed the brand. For example, the kamikaze hyperspace ship destruction thing. If this is possible in the Star Wars universe, other characters would have known it was possible because it would have been tried in the past at some point (whether on purpose or accidentally). If this was possible, why not just do it to the Death Star(s)?? In fact, why not have a droid fleet of kamikaze ships? This literally KILLS all space battles in Star Wars.

That's just ONE of the many many MANY franchise ruining fuckups they made in The Last Jedi.
I'm just glad I still have Warhammer 40K, which by its very nature, is essentially SJW-proof.
 

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I suspect there was a fallout between Abrams and Iger and Kennedy, hence why you don’t see Abrams giving a shit about Episode 9.
There was definitely fallout between Abrams and Kennedy, but I'm not so sure about Iger. Iger really wanted JJ to take over Lucasfilm, and then hired his assistant as VP when Abrams turned it down. You might be right though. Iger might be pissed that JJ didn't take the job offer.
 
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There was definitely fallout between Abrams and Kennedy, but I'm not so sure about Iger. Iger really wanted JJ to take over Lucasfilm, and then hired his assistant as VP when Abrams turned it down. You might be right though. Iger might be pissed that JJ didn't take the job offer.
Well I wonder that because JJ went to Warner Bros and isn’t excited about Episode IX.
 

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Well I wonder that because JJ went to Warner Bros and isn’t excited about Episode IX.
People at JJ's level routinely hop from studio to studio. WB offered him $500 million. Disney has spent a lot of money on acquisitions over the past 2 years and probably couldn't match the offer. I also don't think he wanted to be the "official" head of Lucasfilm because he knows it's a sinking ship.
As far as JJ not being excited about Episode IX, I see it like this:

>Iger lends Kennedy his Ferrari
>Kennedy drives it for two years, but never changes the oil
>The engine seizes
>Iger takes the Ferrari to his mechanic friend JJ
>JJ takes one look at the Ferrari and says, "Your car is fucked, Bob."
>Iger begs JJ to try and fix it
>JJ shrugs and says that he doesn't think it can be fixed, but he'll give it a shot but he can't promise anything
 

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Before we continue questioning Kennedy's idiocy and the drama surrounding Disney, I'm just going to dump some leaks and spoilers regarding "The Oracle" in Episode IX who is basically a new Yoda (unrelated to yellow yoda). I never talked about it because I never believed the rumors, but since those who talked about it also mentioned Sith Troopers, D-O and The Beyond, along with the fact that they've been going around for a while, I am inclined to start believing, although with a grain of salt, just in case since the ones who have described these rumors sound more like studio aides who aren't too sure themselves and aren't engaged in the creative and writing side of things, but regardless, he is still right about a lot of other things. Also a bonus screencapped leak regarding Palpatine possessing Matt Smith.

Anyway:
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The Oracle is a mammalian spider-like creature with an Ithorian head who lives on a swamp planet as a hermit (sound familiar?) with the difference being that her swamp has a little snow. Apparently Kylo Ren goes in search of her with some troops and finds her squatting on a giant baby head that is described as being around 10 feet wide. Whether the baby is a statue or its alive is uncertain. This is part of Kylo Ren's "quest" which is about half of the movie where he goes through moments of self-reflection while trying to adjust to his role as the new supreme leader while trying to stop Palpatine. Spider hermit is supposedly sought out by Emo Ren to find out about the danger in "The Beyond" and about Palpatine's location. She apparently gives him some ambiguous Yoda-like answers which he has to solve. Also here's a bigger pic of the Oracle.
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The Beyond is apparently the name of the region of space where the Death Stars remains are, with many supposed leakers saying its based on the Unknown Regions and that an evil faction in this movie will be "The Vong" or "The Grysk" (the Grysk are just the nu-Vong under Disney from the new Thrawn novels) who are from The Beyond and are the main threat, so Kylo Ren sent the Knights of Ren there with the Sith Troopers to scout out the nu-Vongs' activity. The reason the nu-Vong are mad is because Snoke was supposedly one of them or their leader.

For those who don't know, it was the nu-Vong (who are simply called the "Attendants") with Snoke who were the ones who found the imperial remnant from EA's Battlefront 2 and Wendig's novels in the Unknown Regions and turned them into the First Order as revealed in Wendig's novels, the TLJ visual dictionary and StarWars.com. FYI this is an "attendant" aka the nu-Vong and it was based on unused concept art from TFA where JJ supposedly planned to introduce them but they were removed. They would later appear in TLJ. If you want to know more about the nu-Vong introduced in the new Thrawn novels and Galaxy's Edge tie-ins, then here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Grysk

There I just unintentionally explained the origin of the First Order and on a site note, people still can't make heads or tails of what these idiots are even supposed to be doing.

On a side note, people speculating that "The Beyond" is the Unknown Regions seems iffy but not entirely impossible. The Death Star remains are said to be in The Beyond, but as we all know, the Death Star remains (at least in nu-canon) landed on Endor (and they did according to EA's Battlefront 2) so that would mean that Disney has either relocated Endor to the Unknown Regions, but that is not the case according to the new story team. Endor itself in both old and new canon is in the Outer Rim but located on the border of Wild Space which separates the rest of the Galaxy from the Unknown Regions. So its possible that the nu-Vong and Emo Ren's scouting team had to go through there and its where the final battle will take place. But then this begs the question, that if The Beyond is simply the Unknown Regions, why not just call it that? Well that just might be JJ wanting to not use something from lore again and making it his own or this was a creative decision so as to avoid potential spoilers (which isn't really working). Another simpler possibility is that they'll retcon EA's Battlefront 2 and do what they did before and just copy another idea from The Glove of Darth Vader and have it so a hyperspace wormhole transported the Death Star debris to another planet, such as Dac/Mon Calamari as that's another planet that is mostly water and where most of the pieces ended up in The Glove of Darth Vader, however even said story some piece remained on Endor so the movie could still just simply go with Endor for max nostalgia. Who can say really. We already know that part of the film was shot at Black Park which looks almost like Endor and there's a pic of Rey in what definitely looks like it.
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Anyway back to The Oracle. Kylo Ren and the Oracle's exchange is interrupted by Rey and the Resistance who attack the nu-troopers on the swamp planet which leads to the scene in the trailer here:


With the new info in hand, Ren goes off in search of his MacGuffin while figuring out the Oracle's clues which then leads to him ending up on the old Death Star.

Also here's a bonus, a full view of that hideous slug thing that's supposed to be the new comic relief and the best friend of Chuck Wendig's self-insert.
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His name is Klaud in case you didn't know. He's also supposed to be an old friend of Chewbacca's.

I'll have more spoilers ready. Normally I never gave these spoilers much thought but after Sith Troopers, D-O and whatnot, I felt obliged to start taking them more seriously.
 
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Before we continue questioning Kennedy's idiocy and the drama surrounding Disney, I'm just going to dump some leaks and spoilers regarding "The Oracle" in Episode IX who is basically a new Yoda (unrelated to yellow yoda). I never talked about it because I never believed the rumors, but since those who talked about it also mentioned Sith Troopers, D-O and The Beyond, along with the fact that they've been going around for a while, I am inclined to start believing, although with a grain of salt, just in case since the ones who have described these rumors sound more like studio aides who aren't too sure themselves and aren't engaged in the creative and writing side of things, but regardless, he is still right about a lot of other things. Also a bonus screencapped leak regarding Palpatine possessing Matt Smith.

Anyway:
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The Oracle is a mammalian spider-like creature with an Ithorian head who lives on a swamp planet as a hermit (sound familiar?) with the difference being that her swamp has a little snow. Apparently Kylo Ren goes in search of her with some troops and finds her squatting on a giant baby head that is described as being around 10 feet wide. Whether the baby is a statue or its alive is uncertain. This is part of Kylo Ren's "quest" which is about half of the movie where he goes through moments of self-reflection while trying to adjust to his role as the new supreme leader while trying to stop Palpatine. Spider hermit is supposedly sought out by Emo Ren to find out about the danger in "The Beyond" and about Palpatine's location. She apparently gives him some ambiguous Yoda-like answers which he has to solve. Also here's a bigger pic of the Oracle.
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The Beyond is apparently the name of the region of space where the Death Stars remains are, with many supposed leakers saying its based on the Unknown Regions and that an evil faction in this movie will be "The Vong" or "The Grysk" (the Grysk are just the nu-Vong under Disney from the new Thrawn novels) who are from The Beyond and are the main threat, so Kylo Ren sent the Knights of Ren there with the Sith Troopers to scout out the nu-Vongs' activity. The reason the nu-Vong are mad is because Snoke was supposedly one of them or their leader.

For those who don't know, it was the nu-Vong (who are simply called the "Attendants") with Snoke who were the ones who found the imperial remnant from EA's Battlefront 2 and Wendig's novels in the Unknown Regions and turned them into the First Order as revealed in Wendig's novels, the TLJ visual dictionary and StarWars.com. FYI this is an "attendant" aka the nu-Vong and it was based on unused concept art from TFA where JJ supposedly planned to introduce them but they were removed. They would later appear in TLJ. If you want to know more about the nu-Vong introduced in the new Thrawn novels and Galaxy's Edge tie-ins, then here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Grysk

There I just unintentionally explained the origin of the First Order and on a site note, people still can't make heads or tails of what these idiots are even supposed to be doing.

On a side note, people speculating that "The Beyond" is the Unknown Regions seems iffy but not entirely impossible. The Death Star remains are said to be in The Beyond, but as we all know, the Death Star remains (at least in nu-canon) landed on Endor (and they did according to EA's Battlefront 2) so that would mean that Disney has either relocated Endor to the Unknown Regions, but that is not the case according to the new story team. Endor itself in both old and new canon is in the Outer Rim but located on the border of Wild Space which separates the rest of the Galaxy from the Unknown Regions. So its possible that the nu-Vong and Emo Ren's scouting team had to go through there and its where the final battle will take place. But then this begs the question, that if The Beyond is simply the Unknown Regions, why not just call it that? Well that just might be JJ wanting to not use something from lore again and making it his own or this was a creative decision so as to avoid potential spoilers (which isn't really working). Another simpler possibility is that they'll retcon EA's Battlefront 2 and do what they did before and just copy another idea from The Glove of Darth Vader and have it so a hyperspace wormhole transported the Death Star debris to another planet, such as Dac/Mon Calamari as that's another planet that is mostly water and where most of the pieces ended up in The Glove of Darth Vader, however even said story some piece remained on Endor so the movie could still just simply go with Endor for max nostalgia. Who can say really. We already know that part of the film was shot at Black Park which looks almost like Endor and there's a pic of Rey in what definitely looks like it.
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Anyway back to The Oracle. Kylo Ren and the Oracle's exchange is interrupted by Rey and the Resistance who attack the nu-troopers on the swamp planet which leads to the scene in the trailer here:


With the new info in hand, Ren goes off in search of his MacGuffin while figuring out the Oracle's clues which then leads to him ending up on the old Death Star.

Also here's a bonus, a full view of that hideous slug thing that's supposed to be the new comic relief and the best friend of Chuck Wendig's self-insert.
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His name is Klaud in case you didn't know. He's also supposed to be an old friend of Chewbacca's.

I'll have more spoilers ready. Normally I never gave these spoilers much thought but after Sith Troopers, D-O and whatnot, I felt obliged to start taking them more seriously.
So Palpatine possessed Snoke too? I bet you I'm right about Palpatine really being Darth Plagueis the whole time, and was just another possessed host. Think about it. It would make sense. Watch that clip from ROTS that I posted earlier. The way he slyly references the story. Hmmm...

>Plagueis trains a young Palpatine as a Sith Apprentice
>Palpatine kills him in his sleep
>Plagueis' soul returns to the holocron
>Plagueis possesses Palpatine
>Plagueis cheats death
 
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So Palpatine possessed Snoke too? I bet you I'm right about Palpatine really being Darth Plagueis the whole time, and was just another possessed host. Think about it. It would make sense. Watch that clip from ROTS that I posted earlier. The way he slyly references the story. Hmmm...

>Plagueis trains a young Palpatine as a Sith Apprentice
>Palpatine kills him in his sleep
>Plagueis' soul returns to the holocron
>Plagueis possesses Palpatine
>Plagueis cheats death
Its a doozy to say the least. As far as the early draft of ROTS, old canon and word from George goes, Palpatine and Plagueis being separate beings was true, but it would've been interesting if Plagueis did somehow posses or mentally fused with Palpatine. But as far as Disney's nu-canon goes, its definitely possible that Palpatine might've been Plagueis all along since it seems that Disney has taken the characters in a different direction than George and Luceno portrayed. For one, Disney-Lucasfilm has been very secretive about Plagueis's identity and removed all mention of his actual species, who George claimed was a Muun. Also of note is that Disney retconned Anakin's creation, if we take the weird space anus experience from the 2nd edition Vader comics seriously, in that they implied it so it was Palpatine that impregnated Shmi, rather than Plagueis indirectly creating Anakin. They also made it so it was Palpatine and Palpatine alone who manipulated characters who were formerly manipulated by Plagueis. So it does seem like Disney wants to go down the route of making Plagueis and Palpatine one and the same or remove Plagueis from relevancy, or that upon death Plagueis possessed Palpatine (his apprentice). But it seems more like they were probably setting up Snoke to be Plagueis but Rian put a cork in their plans.
 

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Sheesh. The Ewok Adventures are, to me, more canon, and more in tune with the spirit of Star Wars than anything shat out by Disney at this point.
Which is funny since a lot of people are comparing Rey to the little girl Cindel from the movies and saying TLJ is a shittier knockoff of Battle for Endor.
 

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Let me ask you ladies and gents, what is worse? A sequel trilogy never being made and fans always wondering what it could have been like, or what we got, which is a sequel trilogy that sucks?

Nothing fundamentally changes either way, we'll always have the original trilogy and you can ignore everything else, I dare say it's better to try and fail than not try at all and always be left hanging and wondering "what if?"
 

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Let me ask you ladies and gents, what is worse? A sequel trilogy never being made and fans always wondering what it could have been like, or what we got, which is a sequel trilogy that sucks?

Nothing fundamentally changes either way, we'll always have the original trilogy and you can ignore everything else, I dare say it's better to try and fail than not try at all and always be left hanging and wondering "what if?"
I'd have to say I would prefer a world where the sequels were never made and Disney never bought dick. No one really needed them to begin with. OT purists got the perfect happy ending in VI, the good guys victorious, the gang celebrating and getting drunk with teddy bears. And for those who might've wanted a sequel trilolgy, there was always the Thrawn trilogy books/graphic novels and an inevitable animated adaptation. At least in that timeline, Star Wars would go down as a classic franchise that will always be remembered for generations to come without need of some shitty reboots or sequels, much like Casa Blanca and Back to the Future. And most importantly, its characters would remain untainted and honored for the wider masses. Seriously, say what you want about the prequels, but even they couldn't ruin people's love for Star Wars and old stuff, and just made them love the OT more, and then they somehow managed to turn that shit around and make people actually like it and its spinoffs years later, unlike now where almost everything relating to Disney Wars media is just mixed or hated. Meanwhile the fanbase has become a divided mess filled with desperate loyalists and disillusioned pessimists.

Also, more people seemed interested in a re-release of the unedited OT rather than a cinematic sequel trilogy before Disney got ahold of things.
 
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I'd have to say I would prefer a world where the sequels were never made and Disney never bought dick. No one really needed them to begin with. OT purists got the perfect happy ending in VI, the good guys victorious, the gang celebrating and getting drunk with teddy bears. And for those who might've wanted a sequel trilolgy, there was always the Thrawn trilogy books/graphic novels and an inevitable animated adaptation. At least in that timeline, the OT would go down as a classic franchise that will always be remembered for generations to come without need of some shitty reboots or sequels, much like Casa Blanca and Back to the Future. And most importantly, its characters would remain untainted and honored for the wider masses. Seriously, say what you want about the prequels, but even they couldn't ruin people's love for the OT and old stuff, and just made them love them more, and then they somehow managed to turn it around make people actually like it and its spinoff shows years later, unlike now where almost everything relating to Disney Wars media is just mixed or hated. Meanwhile the fanbase has become divided mess filled with desperate loyalists and disillusioned pessimists.

Also, more people seemed interested in a re-release of the unedited OT rather than a cinematic sequel trilogy before Disney got ahold of things.
Yes, the trouble is that Star Wars is being watered down and it's long term legacy has been compromised, how will Star Wars be remembered when it turns 80? It could have been like The Wizard of Oz, that people still remember and like 80 years later, but now who knows.

I feel really fucking bad for George Lucas to be honest, I can guarantee you that guy knows he's made a terrible mistake.
 

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According to my aunt who works at Disney, General Wyte Pryde will pilot the spaceship that belonged to Snoke before he died, "The Supremacy".

Around the 55 minute mark there will be chase sequence, in which either Rey or Finn will look straight at the camera and utter the words "We must destroy Wyte's Supremacy so we can be free."

First of all, from the leaks we already have, Kylo and all the bad guys are going to be dead by the end of the film. So what the fuck are they still resisting that would require them to broadcast the Luke Signal all over the galaxy?
That is a very good point. Maybe they'll use it to rally people to their cause (since it worked so well in TLJ, right?).
Then again, maybe they use the broadcast to tell people to #resist and that the fight isn't over until all bigots have had their heads bashed in and Trump has been impeached.

For example, the kamikaze hyperspace ship destruction thing. If this is possible in the Star Wars universe, other characters would have known it was possible because it would have been tried in the past at some point (whether on purpose or accidentally).
Keep in mind: Hux' reaction when they tell him Holdo is turning the ship around makes it clear that he *knows* that this is a threat to his ship.
So this confirms that everyone was already aware of the ability to ram a ship into another ship at hyperspace speeds.

I'm just going to dump some leaks and spoilers regarding "The Oracle" in Episode IX who is basically a new Yoda (unrelated to yellow yoda).
Oh great, yet another new lame character that has never existed before despite supposedly being super important, pops up and does her thing, never to be seen again. I just love when movies introduce these elements out of nowhere just to spew exposition and then be forgotten the very next scene.

Let me ask you ladies and gents, what is worse? A sequel trilogy never being made and fans always wondering what it could have been like, or what we got, which is a sequel trilogy that sucks?

Nothing fundamentally changes either way, we'll always have the original trilogy and you can ignore everything else, I dare say it's better to try and fail than not try at all and always be left hanging and wondering "what if?"
For of all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
A shitty sequel is the worst. A nonexistent sequel does not take away the chance of there ever being a good one, a bad one directly contradicts it. It can be retconned, but that is highly unlikely and in case of certain franchises, it will deterr people from making something with that franchise. Worse still, when they try to fix the franchise with the next sequel, that will not retcon the bad one, but rather trying to steer away from its path. It makes the whole thing just feel jumbled and incoherent.
 
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