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People focus too much on the disappointment TPM was, though you can blame the hype machine at the time too. It's a fun movie if you just disengage your brain. Fucking midi chlorians though, jesus.
Midichlorians were already introduced in Episode VI. They just didn't have the word for it back then. But even in ROTJ, Leia had the Force because she popped out of the right womb and had Darth Vader's genetics in her due to being his daughter, and even in Episode V they hinted at Leia having Force powers since she could hear Luke's call as the latter fell from his duel in Bespin. Face it, the Force was already a biological trait even back in the OT era. Why do you think Obi-Wan only bothered to teach Luke how to use the Force and not anyone else? Because he was the son of a Jedi Knight and had the right genetics for it. That's why midichlorians didn't bother me in the slightest in TPM. To me, it was just more technobabble to explain why the Force can only be used by a select few instead of everyone having the capacity to become a Jedi.

Heck, even the Expanded Universe would explain things like Kyle Katarn's Force-sensitivity by saying that his old man, Morgan Katarn, was Force-sensitive. And that came BEFORE the Prequels, so even the OT-era EU was saying that Force-sensitivity is something genetic. Otherwise, everyone from Dash Rendar to Han Solo and Lando Calrissian could use the Force and could be taught Jedi powers and tricks.
 
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I enjoyed TPM as a kid, and still like it to this day. I'm more than willing to admit that the film functions more as a "Star Wars History Lesson" than a movie, but for a rabid lore-fiend like myself, that was never a problem. It's not without faults, and lacks a lot of merit as a film...but I still regard it as essential when revisiting the saga.

Also, the content released around the film, such as the Jedi Apprentice novels, Luceno's Cloak of Deception and Darth Plagueis, and the spectacular Outlander and Maul comics were fucking killer. I think a lot of the Ep. I-era content gets overshadowed by the kind afforded to Episodes II and III, largely due to the absolute behemoth that was the Clone Wars Multimedia project, but a lot of it as really good.

It wasn't the greatest gamewise, but given the hardware available at the time, I'm not really surprised.
 
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I enjoyed TPM as a kid, and still like it to this day. I'm more than willing to admit that the film functions more as a "Star Wars History Lesson" than a movie, but for a rabid lore-fiend like myself, that was never a problem. It's not without faults, and lacks a lot of merit as a film...but I still regard it as essential when revisiting the saga.

Also, the content released around the film, such as the Jedi Apprentice novels, Luceno's Cloak of Deception and Darth Plagueis, and the spectacular Outlander and Maul comics were fucking killer. I think a lot of the Ep. I-era content gets overshadowed by the kind afforded to the Episodes II and III, largely due to the absolute behemoth that was the Clone Wars Multimedia project, but a lot of it as really good.

It wasn't the greatest gamewise, but given the hardware available at the time, I'm not really surprised.
I like TPM to this day. I highlighted this part because it has a lot of merit as a film separate from SW and that, imo, is its downfall in terms of some popular internet reception. Gonna post something I posted in Mauler's thread but this video(its long AF) really changed how I viewed the prequels and George Lucas and made me think about creativity and the effort that goes into it. If you have the time I'd highly encourage people to watch it.

 
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I'm curious what if any ship porn will be getting in Mando. Are we going to get slave 1? Is it still a Firespray or did they retcon that too?
Disney nu-Canon loosely implies that the Firespray and Jango's acquiring of the Slave I from the Oovoo IV prison is still part of the nu-lore, however as Porgcuck has said numerous times, Disney canon is worthless and as we've seen the Story Group has no real meaning or purpose so I wouldn't be surprised if they make up some new origin for the Slave I. EAfront II in particular retcons it so now Orange Yoda is the new owner of Boba's ship and it seems to be implied in some comic that Boba and Jango's ships are different, with Jango's ending up on some junk planet to be used by Rey. As far as Disney continuity is concerned, only the godawful Disney Trilogy is infallible as even the OT has received a few retcons. Which is why I have little interest in the Mandalorian if they still plan to remain within a continuity that where the DT reigns supreme, which seems to be the case as 8 years after ROTJ in this setting, the jedi are still just a rumor rather than a New Republic endorsed faction and Luke barely even exists, so I'm inclined to believe that they're still going with the sequel narrative and the bullshit introduced via Kylo Ren.

And in regards to the trailer, I will at least give them some praise for finally getting rid of all the disgusting scrotum-based Disney aliens and using OT, PT and EU aliens in there for the trailer which caught me by surprise, including a fucking Abyssin as an arena-loving gang leader which is all too fitting, Gamorreans being used for gladiator sport, a pair of Rybets, and a water planet that serves as a Quarren colony of which they had many of. Only flaw would be in the last once since it shows both Mon Calamari and Quarren co-existing despite being in an eternal feud, unless of course this is a reference to the X-Wing Rogue Squadron comics wherever a Mon Cala and Quarren romance in that story inspired others of their kind to try and co-exist, but I'm skeptical since Filoni isn't one for that kind of blatant lore recognition unless he can spin it as an original idea.

But regardless of bringing back familiar aliens, it amazes me that it took them 6 years to remember what the galaxy's inhabitants are supposed to fucking look like.
there is only a maincast of 2 and they need a couple of new allies and villains.
Then just make new allies and villains instead of recycling Filoni OCs for the millionth time. Or use allies and villains that haven't gotten any screentime since the Disney buyout but fit with the era if you want old characters to milk.

Well, if Grace Randolph's sources are correct (which unlike Doomcock's, aren't reddit) you're shit out of luck I'm afraid.
It seems that Pedro Pascal is out after a serious blow up with Favreau and Filoni about their insistence that the mask stays on and he flounced half way through the production. It seems the final straw was him going over their heads and crying to Kathleen Kennedy, who was already at odds with Favreau and Filoni because she wanted more stand alone episodes and they wanted more of a continuous storyl-ine, after that Pascal was told to leave.
Hence all the rumors about the second half of the season featuring mostly new characters. No word on if he'll be back. So you can expect a shit-load more Filoni filler as they try to plug the gap.
She has a more consistent track record than Doomcock so I have less doubts, although I'll still take it with a grain of salt. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is the case with Pascal. Hiding your face in Hollywood these days is pretty much considered taboo, and a lot of actors and diversity types get salty about that sort of thing. Never mind that Prowse and Jones embraced their combined helmeted role. Also Pascal crying to Kennedy feels like an example of Filoni getting a taste of his own medicine, since he pulled the same thing on Leland Chee back during Filoni Wars' production. Anyway yeah, people are already saying they spotted Aladdin's Rebels characters in the new trailer...
 

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The game has aged very well and even had an HD re-release on the PS4
Bounty Hunter is still one of my favorite SW games. Still have it with my Gamecube, and still a better story than most of what the Rat can squeeze out. Komari Vosa, Montross, giving Zam Wessell a background. I dread Disney ever touching that property, and long to see what 1313 could have been.
 

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Bounty Hunter is still one of my favorite SW games. Still have it with my Gamecube, and still a better story than most of what the Rat can squeeze out. Komari Vosa, Montross, giving Zam Wessell a background. I dread Disney ever touching that property, and long to see what 1313 could have been.
I have that game on Gamecube, as well as Jedi Outcast and Rogue Squadrons 2 and 3. Gamecube had some really good SW games.
 

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Gamecube had some really good SW games
It really did. Bounty Hunter, RS III, and Clone Wars are the only surviving GC games I still have. All of them had these amazing alien environments that actually took you away and caught your mind. Taking on the Bando Goa, bringing down an Executor-class super star destroyer over Fondor, and bringing down the Dark Reaper (which was a nice little look at Sith Alchemy and technology with a visit from Uliq Qel-Droma). Feels, feel, feels.
 

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TPM is a bit of a mess. It would not have been as poorly received if it had been overhyped and if the 90's had played host to a "Shadows of the Empire" trilogy. But it was not the childhood fucking mess I felt it was when it came out and basically until RotS.

I still say AOTC should have been Epidsode 1, TPM would have been a good miniseries. The light saber fights were great, but all the other combat, the Star Wars if you will, was subpar.

Why? Midichlorians aren't the Force.
In my mind, Midichlorians are microbes that 'feed' off the force; their presence denotes the force in a being, but they are not the origin of the force. That doesn't preclude bloodlines having increased force sensitivity.
 
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It really did. Bounty Hunter, RS III, and Clone Wars are the only surviving GC games I still have. All of them had these amazing alien environments that actually took you away and caught your mind. Taking on the Bando Goa, bringing down an Executor-class super star destroyer over Fondor, and bringing down the Dark Reaper (which was a nice little look at Sith Alchemy and technology with a visit from Uliq Qel-Droma). Feels, feel, feels.
Heck, I just got done playing Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy on a marathon. Those games really should have been the sequels. Most of Jedi Knight 1 already had live-action cutscenes. Just add some 3D models for the duels and fighting and you have your Episode VII, especially since Jerec's main goal was the rebirth of the Empire with himself as the new Emperor, using the power of the Valley of the Jedi to surpass the previous Emperor in power.

Also, it's funny to note that Jerec was played by Christopher Neame, a guy who once played as Marc Anthony in a TV show about Cleopatra. It's kinda fitting that a guy who once played as Marc Anthony played as a guy who was trying to seize power in a time after Space Caesar (Palpatine) kicked the bucket. I suppose the only thing missing would be to have Jerec publicly eulogizing Palpatine and whipping people into a frenzy against the Rebel Alliance/New Republic.

Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy revolved around bad guys trying to revive the Sith, first by building a Dark Jedi army, then by trying to revive an Ancient Sith Lord (Marka Ragnos) so that he can unite the Empire and crush the Jedi, which are far more fitting plots for sequels to ROTJ than the actual Sequel Trilogy ever was. Naturally, with the Empire losing manpower and ground after Vader and Palpatine's deaths, and with the Jedi Order rising once again to support the New Republic, the logical move for the Imperials would be to have their own Dark Jedi army to counter Luke's Jedi Order, as well as trying to have a new ruler who can equal Palpatine in power and vision, be it Jerec or Marka Ragnos. So there's your episodes VIII and IX.

Plus, Desann was what Kylo Ren should have been: calm, threatening, and capable of having a commanding presence even though he looks like a pot-smoking Barney the Dinosaur.

TPM is a bit of a mess. It would not have been as poorly received if it had been overhyped and if the 90's had played host to a "Shadows of the Empire" trilogy. But it was not the childhood fucking mess I felt it was when it came out and basically until RotS.

I still say AOTC should have been Epidsode 1, TPM would have been a good miniseries. The light saber fights were great, but all the other combat, the Star Wars if you will, was subpar.

In my mind, Midichlorians are microbes that 'feed' off the force; their presence denotes the force in a being, but they are the origin of the force. That doesn't preclude bloodlines having increased force sensitivity.
Agreed. TPM could have better explained its concepts and conflicts if they had time to stretch things out and explain stuff, which you can do in a TV show. Then you could have had AOTC be Episode I, Tartakovsky's Clone Wars be Episode II, and ROTS be Episode III.

Bloodlines having increased Force power was a thing from the OT and cannot be revoked, when the OT clearly states that Luke and Leia can be strong in the Force because of who their father is.
 
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I think a really great Episode 2: The Clone Wars would have ended with Anakin becoming a Jedi knight having had won a costly battle partly due to giving into the Darkside ; maybe with implications of "We are running really low on full knights".

Mace might suspect Anakin isn't ready. Even Anakin might think he's not ready, but there is no room for those doubts with the war on.

I think it that would be an interesting inverting of ep. 5 where the end is dark but hopeful; in this one the ending is upbeat but with a looming darkness.
 
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I think a really great Episode 2: The Clone Wars would have ended with Anakin becoming a Jedi knight having had won a costly battle partly due to giving into the Darkside ; maybe with implications of "We are running really low on full knights".

Mace might suspect Anakin isn't ready. Even Anakin might think he's not ready, but there is no room for those doubts with the war on.

I think it that would be an interesting inverting of ep. 6 where the end is dark but hopeful; in this one the ending is upbeat but with a looming darkness.
Heck, that battle with Asajj Ventress on Yavin IV would be a great battle to have before Anakin becomes a knight. He gets knighted for defeating a Sith warrior on the field, proving his might as a Jedi, but what the other Jedi don't know is that he had to use the Dark Side to win that fight.


It even has a good callback to Episode 6 where Luke defeated Vader by using Dark Side brute force against him-Anakin does the same to win the fight against Asajj, showing how he's getting closer to the Dark Side.

It's like poetry, it rhymes.
 

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I like TPM to this day. I highlighted this part because it has a lot of merit as a film separate from SW and that, imo, is its downfall in terms of some popular internet reception. Gonna post something I posted in Mauler's thread but this video(its long AF) really changed how I viewed the prequels and George Lucas and made me think about creativity and the effort that goes into it. If you have the time I'd highly encourage people to watch it.

I've skimmed ahead and have not only noticed the video maker taking shots at routinely incorrect cretins like Chris Stuckmann, Patrick Wilhems, and RedLetterMedia, but is also making use of something remarkably absent in a lot of Prequel Analysis/Critique videos: George Lucas's on-disc commentaries.

So that alone piques my interest, and ensures that I'll be watching this at some point.
 

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I've skimmed ahead and have not only noticed the video maker taking shots at routinely incorrect cretins like Chris Stuckmann, Patrick Wilhems, and RedLetterMedia, but is also making use of something remarkably absent in a lot of Prequel Analysis/Critique videos: George Lucas's on-disc commentaries.

So that alone piques my interest, and ensures that I'll be watching this at some point.
I'll have to keep an eye on that guy. Looks like a good source of Prequel commentaries.
 
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