Star Wars Griefing Thread (THE RISE OF SKYWALKER SPOILERS) - Safety off

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Rey is no Jedi, besides not having real jedi training (contrast Yoda's and Luke teachings and she got at best the basics) and if you paid attention she always wins her fight by using the dark side (she always give in to anger in her fights)
 
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So, what I expect: Rey will have a downgrade in power or a few failures in the first and second act of the new movie. Then, she'll overcome the spontaneously errected limits and the movie will treat that achievement, even though she's done things of a similar calibre multiple times already, but Disney has no choice, they need to pretend that she's not perfect and all-powerful, they need to cram some pretend-character-development into this thing.
I disagree with that entirely. Remember it was Abrams who started with Rey sitting on the finish line while the starting gun of the trilogy fired, and remember that it was Abrams who obediently and doggedly insulted the Star Wars fanbase, calling us all misogynists terrified of women.
Kennedy is still in charge, they are still trying to make things Space Twilight, ergo REY WILL NOT FAIL. She'll encounter maybe about as much resistance as she did in TLJ: One scene of semi-vulnerability, less than thirty seconds of weakness, and right back up on the Sue Train she goes. A few swipes from disappearing knives and an easily escaped grapple later, and she's back to total infallibility.
 
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Oh, when their big trailer was outdone by the Joker of all people, and the clipshow they made nuked with dislikes, you know that they're not thinking this thing is salvageable.
This is... really embarrassing... The reaction is way more mixed to negative than I expected and comments sections for the trailer (outside of the main SW channel) are all jabbing or outright hating on the film or making fun of the memberberries.
And this reshoot nonsense combined with having to call on George for help for like the third or fourth time this year (first for Mandalorian, then for IX, and now for IX again) is just... really fucking lame... How could you fuck up one of the world's most popular franchises and completely divide and ruin the fanbase in just 5 years?

Now is as good as a time as any, if you don't mind
Only thing I haven't discussed from the park are little things, like some bios on new aliens created solely for the park despite not appearing in it, the lightsaber ban and a lot of things from Dok Ondar's store like a golden bust of Jar Jar that's hidden away on the second floor for example. Which should I discuss?
 

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Reshoots are a pretty common thing in movie making, I guess... but is there any movie that was improved by widespread reshooting of stuff?
I'm thinking about what movies there are where reshoots improved the movie, but I can't really think of one. I can see movies being improved by little reshoots, but this seems much more excessive and Rogue One/Solo already showed us, that this hardly works with the current people behind SW.
And the thing is that with today's use of digital technology, reshoots shouldn't be as common as they used to be.

Fox example, I believe Daisy Ridley has one or more tattoos in inconspicuous spots that can be easily covered. It used to be the case that a filmed close-up of her that showed off one of these tattoos when it shouldn't be visible would result in a reshoot. Now, thanks to digital editing, it's easy to edit it out in post-production (or whatever the process might be properly called).

As a result, reshoots in today's films usually aren't used for trivial matters. The fact that there's so much being reshot so close to the anticipated release date truly is troubling. This suggests that there are major or wholesale changes being made. While we neither know what nor why, it certainly sounds as if one of the following things is happening:
  • There were "creative differences" during the original shooting and the reshoots are being made to resolves those issues;
  • Disney/LucasFilm knows Episode IX needs to hit a home run to salvage both the trilogy and the franchise, so they've decided to go back and change various scenes in hopes of getting the success and positive reception they desperately need from non-diehard fans;
  • Both of the above; or,
  • Some other reason yet to be known.

I can't see how this movie can turn out as anything but an incoherent, disjointed, staggeringly poorly constructed mess of a movie. It'll be its own perfect microcosm of completely botched bullshit in a trilogy of incoherent, disjointed, staggeringly poorly constructed mess of movies.
As I believe I said at some point during the thread, the sequel trilogy has had very little cohesion, if any, so far. A trilogy is supposed to have three parts that either relate to each other or build on each other. There has been none of that so far thanks to having two distinctly different directors with seemingly-opposing philosophies, agendas, etc. At this point, I'm not sure how successful Episode IX can be if it tries to be cohesive with what's been released so far. If it tries to mesh with TFA, it won't be able to have much that ties into TLJ. If it tries to mesh with TLJ, then there will be few connections to TFA. @RomanesEuntDomus has the right idea that this is likely doomed to be yet another disjointed movie no matter how well it might turn out to be.

To use a sports analogy from American football, Disney currently trails by 8 points with 1 second left in the game and faces fourth down from their own 1-yard line. Disney needs to run a play that will gain 99 yards, score a touchdown, and then successfully score a two-point conversion -- all just to tie the game to force overtime. Anything less is a loss.

For non-sports fans: Disney has much to do to show that they can competently handle the SW franchise. While it's not totally impossible for them to accomplish this with Episode IX, the reality is it's quite improbable.

Only thing I haven't discussed from the park are little things, like some bios on new aliens created solely for the park despite not appearing in it, the lightsaber ban and a lot of things from Dok Ondar's store like a golden bust of Jar Jar that's hidden away on the second floor for example. Which should I discuss?
While I'd be interested in any/all of the above, my top curiosity is learning more about the new aliens created solely for the park while not actually existing.
 

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While we neither know what nor why, it certainly sounds as if one of the following things is happening:
  • There were "creative differences" during the original shooting and the reshoots are being made to resolves those issues;
  • Disney/LucasFilm knows Episode IX needs to hit a home run to salvage both the trilogy and the franchise, so they've decided to go back and change various scenes in hopes of getting the success and positive reception they desperately need from non-diehard fans;
  • Both of the above; or,
  • Some other reason yet to be known.
Another possibility that I stress a lot since the reshoots is that they had poor test screenings that didn’t go well and scramble from there.
 

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This was likely posted before, but...


If the Skywalker family live goes extinct, while Rey Palpatine, granddaughter of Sheev Palpatine, becomes the galaxy's sole Jedi, it will be the very height of irony. And stupidity.
If this was before TLJ came out (I was mildly hyped for TFA), I'd be infuriated if the plan was to make the Skywalkers die out and have a fucking Palpatine end up continuing the Jedi. Now it's just hilarious.
 

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JJ Abrams isn't useless. If I were one of the powers that be, I'd be happy to see him kick off a film series.

I'd then ban him from the lot while someone else tried to resolve his plot points.

He can't follow up with a successful conclusion. Never has, never will.
I think that was the original intention. Get JJ to kick us off and then whoever does VIII and IX will pay everything off.

Then Last Jedi happened....yeeeeeeah.

And then the director of IX got the shit canned....yeeeeeah.
 

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I disagree with that entirely. Remember it was Abrams who started with Rey sitting on the finish line while the starting gun of the trilogy fired, and remember that it was Abrams who obediently and doggedly insulted the Star Wars fanbase, calling us all misogynists terrified of women.
I'm not saying that Abrams now, for some reason, suddenly thinks this is a great idea, I'm saying that Lucasfilms will insist that Rey be shown to "struggle", to dissuade some of the Mary Sue criticism, just some token "Seeee? She didn't succeed there!" Moment.

Kennedy is still in charge, they are still trying to make things Space Twilight, ergo REY WILL NOT FAIL. She'll encounter maybe about as much resistance as she did in TLJ: One scene of semi-vulnerability, less than thirty seconds of weakness, and right back up on the Sue Train she goes. A few swipes from disappearing knives and an easily escaped grapple later, and she's back to total infallibility.
Basically this, only it'll somehow play into the plot a bit more than in TLJ and TFA. There, Rey's """struggles""" were usually resolved at about the same speed that Sonichu overcomes his obstacles - that is to say: Rey overcomes her obstacles with such speed and ease, you can't help but wonder whether they even counted as obstacles.
So here, they'll give her some "obstacle" that she will overcome.

What I expect is when we see Jedi training between Leia and Rey (ugh :roll:), Rey will have some frustration, I somewhat expect Rey to speak with Leia, and remarking that she's unable to do or understand something related to the Jedi and Leia will give off platitudes like "You will come to understand when the time is right", something vague to imply that she's far less perfect than what we have seen prior. Essentially, they will invent some issue that supposedly holds her down. I expect something specific (some moral lesson or some skill, though god knows what, we've already seen Rey is as pure as a virgin saint and as capable as the highest Jedi master in any field).
It will be an utter shitshow, but it's going to be something to point at and go "Seeee? Rey's not perfect and all powerful!" and that's gonna be the whole extend of that amazing plot thread.

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