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These days, anything goes on Steam, but not anything anything. If games are “illegal, or straight up trolling,” Valve says it’ll send them packing. In the past, that’s meant low-effort games with titles like Big Dick and MILF, achievement spam, and certain sex games.
Now, according to some developers, Valve is going after games that feature themes of “child exploitation,” which it seems to define, at least in part, as games with sex scenes or nudity where the characters are in high school.

Over the past few weeks, the company has removed the store pages of several visual novels, including cross-dressing yaoi romance Cross Love, catholic school visual novel Hello Goodbye, “story about the love between siblings” (yuck)Imolicious, and cat girl game MaoMao Discovery Team. The developers of these games all claim to have received similar emails stating that their games could not be released on Steam.

“While we can ship most titles on Steam, we found that this one does feature themes of child exploitation,” read the email received by Top Hat Studios, makers of Cross Love. “Because of that, the app has been banned and cannot be reused.”

There are a couple ties that bind the games in question: 1) Cross Love, Hello Goodbye, and Imolicious feature school settings, and 2) all four of the aforementioned games contain adult elements and center around anime-styled characters who appear young—in some cases uncomfortably so

[Update - 11:00 PM, 12/07/18: A rep from Hello Goodbye’s publisher has informedKotaku that the game’s Steam version was to be censored and would not have contained adult content]. However, their developers have taken to protesting the bans on social media, saying that their games have been misunderstood. They all claim they’ve reached out to Valve since receiving their bans, only to be met with silence.

Cross Love’s developers say they’ve taken great pains to ensure that their game demonstrates, on multiple occasions, that its students are of age. This includes scenes where they peruse 18+ manga and are ID-ed before being allowed into an adult bookstore.

“These scenes aren’t there to be artificially shoehorned in, and while they do exist as further proof of characters’ ages (beyond the disclaimer in the beginning that explicitly states them as being 18), the real reason they’re there is to further many of the themes in the story,” said developer Top Hat to Kotakuin a Twitter DM, pointing out that it’s tried to contact Valve with this information six separate times, to no avail. “A large chunk of the story is about accepting who you are, being comfortable with yourself, and altogether similar themes within a type of coming of age-style love story, which isn’t really seen in most yaoi games.”

In reference to people deliberately seeking out childlike characters, Top Hat also said that its game was not “made in any way to appeal to that type of audience or deliver that form of content.”

Other games are more questionable. Imolicious’ developer claims there aren’t “any children” in the game, but it revolves around school girls. When I pointed out that most school girls are, by definition, children, developer Yume Creations replied in a DM: “High school students aren’t children, they are teenager.” Most teenagers in high school are still minors, so that rationale doesn’t really hold water. The developer also noted, however, that “in [the] case of Imolicious,I added a disclaimer that all characters [are] over 18 like you can see in most visual novels.”

They’re not wrong: This is a trend among visual novels featuring adult material—and more broadly among “loli” anime, which tends to feature suspiciously young-looking women who are said to be over 18. But while some take these declarations at face value, others view them as obvious (and creepy) fig leaves.

“Having a disclaimer stating that a drawing is of consensual age or not is a ridiculous thing to rely upon,” said one user in a Steam forum thread discussing MaoMao Discovery Team’s legality. “At the end of the day, it is a fictional drawing that does not have an age. If you think they look too young, then they are too young. A bit of text saying ‘this person is 20' changes nothing.”

Which brings us to the heart of the matter: It’s Valve’s store, and what it says goes. If someone at Valve decides characters look too young, then they’re too young. Top Hat, however, believes its characters are well above board and that, on top of that, there’s a double standard at play here, not unlike the one some developers felt they’d fallen victim to before Valve officially allowed uncensored sex games on Steam. Games that feature overtly young-looking characters, school settings, and romantic/sexual themes, like Nekopara Extra, Sakura Sakura, A Piece Of Wish Upon The Stars, and Material Girl, are all still on Steam, Top Hat pointed out. The studio feels it’s unfair that these potentially more egregious games get to stick around while its game gets lumped in with others that cross Valve’s invisible line.

Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain games, but has yet to hear back.

Imolicious developer Yume Creations says it’s given up on trying to get the game on Steam, opting instead to release an uncensored version on internet hentai capital Fakku. In a Steam post, MaoMao’s developers made it sound like they, too, are throwing in the towel. But while Top Hat has put Cross Love up on other stores like Itch.io and Nutaku, it’s still giving Steam the old hopefully-at-least-college-age try.

“Steam is a major service, and we had hundreds of players looking forward to buying the game there upon release,” Top Hat said. “The game had wishlists in the thousands, and the community group had several hundred people in it. This is a very large userbase to lose out on, and it hurts us pretty bad. It’s not world ending, but it is quite the end of the year blow.”

[Update - 11:00 PM, 12/07/18: We’ve updated the story to clarify Top Hat’s stance on Cross Love in relation to the other games that got banned.]

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It’s Valve’s store, and what it says goes. If someone at Valve decides characters look too young, then they’re too young.

Odd how Grayson doesn't hold this view with black people going into stores. They sure do become Libertarian when it comes to things they dislike getting targeted. Guess games aren't art and should be censored.

The labeling of all of these games as sex games is also misleading but whatever.

The guys who made Rance said they'll be putting their games up on Steam so that'll be a good trip.
 

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It’s Valve’s store, and what it says goes. If someone at Valve decides characters look too young, then they’re too young.
Who knows if a character is too young: the people who created the character and the game in it, or random Valve staff who've obviously decided they want to ban the game? This should be a totally idiot-proof question but Kotaku, as usual, fucks up.

Next they'll be saying that a negative breathalyser result doesn't matter if the Policeman decides you're too drunk.
 

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I can see where steam is coming from. Whatever games they have in their catalogue, by some extension, they are endorsing it because they are affiliated with hosting it in their catalogue. Even if "we" know it doesn't work that way, if some majorly fucked up game gets a ton of press steam is gonna get dragged and blamed along with it for having it in their library. So, I can understand how as a company they might want to crack down on the more overtly (questionable) sexual content. However, I would advise them to be careful. It's a very fine line between keeping your industry away from seemingly deviant (and questionable legal) shit and corroding it with "PC" nonsense.
 

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I can see where steam is coming from. Whatever games they have in their catalogue, by some extension, they are endorsing it because they are affiliated with hosting it in their catalogue. Even if "we" know it doesn't work that way, if some majorly fucked up game gets a ton of press steam is gonna get dragged and blamed along with it for having it in their library. So, I can understand how as a company they might want to crack down on the more overtly (questionable) sexual content. However, I would advise them to be careful. It's a very fine line between keeping your industry away from seemingly deviant (and questionable legal) shit and corroding it with "PC" nonsense.

Dunno, I don't quite like that idea. I thought the consensus was that the idea was retarded during the Hatred days.
 

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Good. If you're over 18 yourself, the only romantic "visual novel" you should be playing that features high schoolers is Hatoful Boyfriend with normal pigeon portraits enabled.

Again, Steam could solve this just by opening up Steam After Dark or The Steam Room or some other pun involving Steam. However, I suppose that would be work and Valve can't have that happen.

That's a great idea. On the other hand, this does leave room for a competitor that's cool with rude content who can also draw in creators and consumers who don't dig Steam/Valve. Edit: Unlesss this has anything to do with FOSTA-SESTA coming into action today.
 
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Hey, maybe they could get rid of the literally stolen games on Steam while they're at it!

No? That's too much work?

Ok then.

Dunno, I don't quite like that idea. I thought the consensus was that the idea was exceptional during the Hatred days.

I don't object to the idea of not selling hentai with underage characters on Steam, but it does make me bristle a bit that Valve can never hold a stance on if they're going to do any kind of quality control or not. It screws indie devs in particular that they refuse to.
 

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This article reeks of that game journo editorializing, typical of Kotaku and others like it. But I digress.

Gamers are upset with this situation because of censorship in general, and also Valve's typically lazy stance and silence on the whole thing. After Sony started their policy spree with every Japanese weeb and jiggling titty game in existence, the players saw Steam as a refuge. Valve had one policy in place and one only, "No trolling and nothing illegal." Nintendo, meanwhile, appeared to embrace what Sony wouldn't, preparing to steal the market share. "The boobs still jiggle in glorious 60 fps over on the Switch," they implied. And everybody joked about this being a strange parallel universe.

Now Nintendo is giving into ResetEra cultists, and Valve is pulling store pages with no reason or explanation. In this ongoing "us vs. them" culture war, gamers see Anitas and assorted NPCs winning. The PC platform itself is no longer a safe haven, either. Google and Apple are buying up more and more webspace. Companies splintering off to form their own 18+ eroge storefronts will soon find their payment systems and advertisers blasted by the same cultists. To gamers, there is no winning.

But keep in mind too: Gabe hasn't gotten off his tank ass to address this himself. All we know is what some random artist has leaked. "Any game set in high school is now verboten" seems like a knee-jerk reaction, but then, this entire year in gaming has seen nothing but kneejerk reactions. Gabe seems content letting the store run by itself until he has to leave his chair, despite several incidents proving that does not work.

This has been a shit year for gaming.

As far as lolicon goes, yeah, I get it. But...there is a stigma attached to young characters in anime and vidya games regardless of whether or not the IP is sexualized. That has a lot to do with actual lolicon porn, chan memes and people outside the fandoms seeing nothing but both. To the point where nobody can watch something like, say, Lucky Star because they like the character personalities or find the designs even platonically cute. They are going to get hit with "lol FBI," and that attitude has spread fast. If Valve is in fact yanking innocent VNs that happen to feature 12-year-olds, it's about the people outside looking in, not the people on the inside with real knowledge.
 

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PornHub should release a hentai game store. They have money and audience for that. Problem solved.

I don't think steam - or any other game store - should be forced to host extreme pornography, the same way youtube doesn't allow it. It's just common sense
 
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