Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

Nauseated Courgi

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Honestly I think the filler episodes is what really killed a lot of the show for me. Imagine if shit like Dragonball Z did that. We go from actual cool shit like fighting a genocidal alien overlord to suddenly watching Goku take his family to the beach, then the next episode is him going camping with Krillin, then we get to watch Goku tag along on a date with Bulma and Vegita, then we get to watch even more meaningless stupid bullshit before we ever get back to anything remotely interesting.
Yeah, I know DBZ had "filler" to pad out the episodes while the manga was written, but at least they tried to focus on the interesting shit in the story with the filler instead of wandering off on autistic tangents nobody cares about.
The problem, for me, is less that the filler was there and more that they didn't use it to develop the characters outside of Garnet.

To me, if you're going to include filler in your series, the least you can do is reward the viewer for watching them by either having the character explain more about their past or having them build their relationship with the people around them.

If the viewer is better off skipping them, then that filler was pointless.
 

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I dunno, pearl got over her attachment issues with rose and greg, amatheist dealt with being a over cooked runt.

Alot of the side characters had arches my favorite was lars and sadie.

the show just tried to too hard to tease things and just wave them away at the end.
 

Nauseated Courgi

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I dunno, pearl got over her attachment issues with rose and greg, amatheist dealt with being a over cooked runt.

Alot of the side characters had arches my favorite was lars and sadie.

the show just tried to too hard to tease things and just wave them away at the end.
My fault, completely forgot about some of those episodes. I guess it's more the fact that a good chunk of them were more pointless towny episodes instead of character development filler episodes with some including the townies instead.
 

One Man Bland

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The problem, for me, is less that the filler was there and more that they didn't use it to develop the characters outside of Garnet.

To me, if you're going to include filler in your series, the least you can do is reward the viewer for watching them by either having the character explain more about their past or having them build their relationship with the people around them.

If the viewer is better off skipping them, then that filler was pointless.
Even if the filler did try to give the townies more depth, it still has to contend with the question that is "and we’re watching this instead of fighting space dictators... why exactly?" and it always felt like the show never knew how to answer that. The classic "Is this the most exciting part in this story’s timeline and, if not, why the fuck are we not there already" conundrum.

That and in hindsight a lot of the later filler was basically rehashes of story bears and themes the story had already touched on in a much better manner. The whole "Connie is mad at Steven for turning himself in to Homeworld" bomb arc was basically an over-extended version of the earlier song "I Don’t Want That For You," but worse since IDWTFY took place during an expected downtime period while the Connie being huffy arc was in the middle of Lars being MIA.

And for a show that draws such heavy inspiration from musicals, there sure aren’t a lot of reprises. A lot of these over-extended filler plots could’ve been shortened - and likely be stronger - by utilizing those.
 

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Even if the filler did try to give the townies more depth, it still has to contend with the question that is "and we’re watching this instead of fighting space dictators... why exactly?" and it always felt like the show never knew how to answer that. The classic "Is this the most exciting part in this story’s timeline and, if not, why the fuck are we not there already" conundrum.
This is exactly how I feel. They created a genuinely interesting premise with shapeshifting gem aliens taking care of a hybrid Gem-Human child while trying to fight off a terrible and ruthless enemy who has no qualms about committing genocide against organic beings and even their own fucking people, and for some reason they think the most interesting thing to do here is make episodes about the least interesting aspect of the setting? Like, what the fuck is even the point of the main story if about half the show is just going to be boring shit?

And I love how people say these aren't filler episodes because "MUH CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!" despite the fact that a lot of the side characters being developed had almost no actual impact on or importance to the plot and their episodes lead up to.... nothing. Absolute nothing.

Seriously, most of the character in this show are BORING! A few are mildly interesting like that conspiracy nut, but he really didn't need more than a single episode featured around him.
 

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This is exactly how I feel. They created a genuinely interesting premise with shapeshifting gem aliens taking care of a hybrid Gem-Human child while trying to fight off a terrible and ruthless enemy who has no qualms about committing genocide against organic beings and even their own fucking people, and for some reason they think the most interesting thing to do here is make episodes about the least interesting aspect of the setting? Like, what the fuck is even the point of the main story if about half the show is just going to be boring shit?

And I love how people say these aren't filler episodes because "MUH CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!" despite the fact that a lot of the side characters being developed had almost no actual impact on or importance to the plot and their episodes lead up to.... nothing. Absolute nothing.

Seriously, most of the character in this show are BORING! A few are mildly interesting like that conspiracy nut, but he really didn't need more than a single episode featured around him.
"But we need the filler episodes so you care when they get kidnapped!"
Well. They got let go in ten seconds and you wasted countless episodes.
 

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Steven Universe Artbook Leaks



>Era 1 began 20,000 years ago, meaning that Era 1 did not begin with the start of the Gem race but instead most likely when they began colonization
>The Diamonds were born together, they are the same age. White didn’t remove Blue, Yellow, and Pink from herself to create them, she believed that because she was white all Gems were extensions of herself. Because of this she policed their behavior, seeing any deviance or unplanned actions as some hidden perversity within. The irony is twofold. Because she is supposed to reflect all color she thought she was everything, but by never allowing herself a deeper passion for anything she basically became nothing at all and is blatantly described to have had no real personality being judgmental and frustrated. She also never created another purely White Gem, meaning no Gem is actually an extension of herself. By contrast the Rose Quartzes, which were created entirely by Pink, are literally just created in her own image which is why she could shapeshift into one so comfortably
>Homeworld isn’t wrecked just because of the Kindergartens destabilizing it, it was hit with a giant asteroid that went straight through it. This may have been where the Diamonds originally came from
>Gems have a religion. Peridot was meant to have a “Linus moment” where she’s tell it to Steven like other Gems telling him stories, but the idea was shelved for irrelevance to the Cluster and her redemption plots

>Pink is the only Gem who was immune to White’s control. White relied on Yellow and Blue to control her with pain and shame instead, but wasn’t aware they only obeyed because they were afraid of her. Pink had to make herself emotionally vulnerable to use her manipulation powers on them, and they had to be vulnerable to her for its full effect. As the Diamond relationships grew more toxic none of them were open and honest for fear of being hurt, so she lost all power over them and most of her power over other Gems in general as she kept her guard up even around her Pearls. Pink finally allowed herself to be vulnerable to the Crystal Gems, but because she truly trusted them and not just to use her powers on them. But Bismuth’s betrayal hurt her so she remained on guard after that and wasn’t trusting again until Greg
>Steven is so effective at redemption because Pink harbored a lot of guilt for her actions, carried into unrelated scenarios, even before Earth, which is part of how Blue controlled her. But Steven can use her powers with innocence and sincerity, because he never has to question if he’s taking away someone’s will or forcing them to do something. He also gave everyone the benefit of the doubt, keeping himself open and vulnerable at all times. Steven is able to use his power on White because of this raw honesty, and part of his power is the other Gem feeling how he sees them as people instead of purpose-built robots which gives them the realization it’s okay to see themselves that way too. White, basically the most enslaved to Gem society of all, is the weakest to it

>Rhodonite’s master and Emerald we’re important villains. They are also mostly cut content from the theoretical season 6 and maybe 7 which would have ended in CYM instead of 5, basically taking Jasper’s place as the main show villains for a season before Yellow and Blue arrive.
>The fallout from Pink’s reveal would have been explored with everyone. But each character would have realized either that Pink was the one who was subordinate to their teaching and inspiration rather than being secretly controlled by her, or how everything that happened resulted in Steven being there for them
>In particular Garnet would have questioned every single thing that happened, including her very creation, before realizing she really was the leader of the Crystal Gems and always had been. This kind of survived into the show, but only really remains as the source of Sapphire’s freakout and not Ruby or Garnet’s for time reasons
>Amethyst learned to shapeshift from Pink and thought it was because she was ashamed of her deformities as her creator. In reality Pink felt Amethyst was a young version of herself, and tried to help Amethyst because nobody had been there for her. Pink never vocalized it, but she loved Amethyst for who she really was and sadly never gave Amethyst the chance to do the same for her. But her bond with Steven is exactly that, the realization they had in the arena fight of who the other one really was inside
>Pearl finally sees herself as a true equal, because the last power Pink had as her owner is gone. She feels more comfortable with humans and being Steven’s mother figure rather than just as a teacher and protector.

>Steven is notably the one left struggling with Pink’s identity, as now instead of just being unsure how much of him is Steven and how much is Rose he’s unaware of how much of Rose was Pink, and what it makes his connection to every other Gem or other humans. This was dealt with somewhat in Future with the Rose Quartzes, but had a bigger part to play when dealing with White because his honesty Pink powers were hampered by not really knowing who he is to be honest about. By tearing him apart she showed him that Rose was truly one of Pink’s forms and not just a shapeshifted disguise and that his Gem half was really Steven, allowing him to finally make a connection to White like she’s handed him the emotional equivalent of Death Star plans

>There’s more but I’m tired of trying to read these blurry blurbs.

>Also, I guess the Pebbles can Fuse to get around in Era 3.
Assuming this isn’t just random retcons to save face, the series has become so much infuriating. They spend more time thinking up these big ideas and retconning stuff than actually implementing anything meaningful. The worst example would be Morganite and Emerald; there was foreshadowing for them to appear later only for the crew to not commit to them.

LOL all those anons trying to play damage control and make the sound deeper than it is. Jesus /co/.
I mean, a lot of this seems like retcons from backlash
"Yeah, we were going to develop this, we just didn't have the time, but the episode about the pizza girl feeling overworked was 100% necessary!"
Even worse is how she says that if they had sixth season or a seventh season, then they could have told those stories. As if telling them in the past five seasons was impossible; we don’t need two more seasons of boring townies and breather episodes before getting to the interesting stuff.
Because of course she is...

And they think that a stupid "not" marriage would solve all that insted of going after the source of the lies.
Fuck actual character development I guess. We need more gay weddings.
 

Krystal

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Assuming this isn’t just random retcons to save face, the series has become so much infuriating. They spend more time thinking up these big ideas and retconning stuff than actually implementing anything meaningful. The worst example would be Morganite and Emerald; there was foreshadowing for them to appear later only for the crew to not commit to them.

LOL all those anons trying to play damage control and make the sound deeper than it is. Jesus /co/.

Even worse is how she says that if they had sixth season or a seventh season, then they could have told those stories. As if telling them in the past five seasons was impossible; we don’t need two more seasons of boring townies and breather episodes before getting to the interesting stuff.

Fuck actual character development I guess. We need more gay weddings.
Hell, during SUF when the opening was revealed, people speculated that the villains would team up as well as homeworld gems that didn't like era 3 and Jasper was somehow controlling White. That would have been a way better story than what we ended up getting IMO.
 

keyboredsm4shthe2nd

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Hell, during SUF when the opening was revealed, people speculated that the villains would team up as well as homeworld gems that didn't like era 3 and Jasper was somehow controlling White. That would have been a way better story than what we ended up getting IMO.
Anything would have been a better story than the angsty puberty bullshit she gave. Because fuck the actual interesting lore and questions you created.
 

Dang Woodchucks!

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If you think about it, Dragonball at least keeps most of it's filler compartmentalized between arcs. Yeah, sometimes better, sometimes worse, but Gohan didn't meet and hang out with Mr. Robot *after* Vegeta and Nappa got to earth and started killing people.

When your pacing is shittier than Dragonball, you know it's wack.
 

Exceptionally Exceptional

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Recently the creator is getting cancelled for a slavery joke regarding one of the character's brothers.

And for the diamonds being space nazis, it doesn't fit right, at least for blue or yellow. Mainly blue being depressed most of the time in context of the show and yellow just burying her sadness with what was best for their perfect empire. White makes a little more sense with the bleach mind control and obsession with flawlessness. Her arch didn't seem to sit too well since we only really saw her heal corrupted gems. I think the "once evil always evil" would have been better for more aquamarine or eyeball since they still tried to kill him in Future.

Edit: genocide, really. The only two things close were the cluster/fusion experiments and corrupting the gems. One was more well; experimental (which, fusion was still taboo). The corruption was only because they thought they eradicated the Crystal Gems after thinking Pink was shattered. If someone wants to make the argument of colonies draining life off planets. What about Pink? She literally defended life and as a compromise was given the zoo. Hell, Blue literally kidnapped Greg to save him from the cluster to help preserve Pink and her memory of her. That makes no sense if they're space nazis and yellow literally crumbles at the end of her song.
Crossposting here so we don't shit up Jerry's thread with unnecessary autism.

Having given this a bit of thought recently I'll agree that they weren't space Nazis but I'll disagree that they weren't about to genocide us.
Consider this: The Nazis very intentionally set about enacting a pogrom against the Jews. They tracked them down and shipped them to camps where the entire end goal was their extermination. This isn't what the Gem Empire did at all. What I'd compare it to more is the effects of colonialism on native cultures but dialed up to 11. They saw us humans (and yes, we were around, it was only 5,500 years ago) as primitive and beneath their notice, and they wanted our planet to expand their empire. So they took it and began enacting changes to the planet that would render it uninhabitable by humanity, causing those of us not in the human zoo to die off.

But their end goal certainly wasn't killing us. The Nazis killed the Jews because they believed them to be subhuman scum who blighted the Earth with their presence and fucked over the rest of humanity, hence they had to go. But the Gem Empire just didn't care about the impact of their expansion on us, kinda like the colonial powers of the past.

For the Nazi comparison to be valid they would have had to be INTENTIONALLY exterminating us out of hatred. There's a big difference between hatred and apathy. Our destruction would have just been an unavoidable consequence of their expansion.
 

Tour of Italy

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Honestly I think the filler episodes is what really killed a lot of the show for me. Imagine if shit like Dragonball Z did that. We go from actual cool shit like fighting a genocidal alien overlord to suddenly watching Goku take his family to the beach, then the next episode is him going camping with Krillin, then we get to watch Goku tag along on a date with Bulma and Vegita, then we get to watch even more meaningless stupid bullshit before we ever get back to anything remotely interesting.
Yeah, I know DBZ had "filler" to pad out the episodes while the manga was written, but at least they tried to focus on the interesting shit in the story with the filler instead of wandering off on autistic tangents nobody cares about.
Filler has its place if used correctly. The episode of DBZ where Piccolo and Goku learn to drive may be one of the greatest artistic triumphs of the 20th century.

That shit transcended cultures. I was in the middle of bumfuck Central America talking about DBZ with Guatemalan, a Honduran, and a Peruvian, and I’ll never forget the smiles that washed over everyone the second someone brought up that episode.

The Guatemalan in that conversation also brought up how when he was a kid watching the show air for the first time in his country, his adult sister was throwing a party one night while it was on. Turns out it was the episode where Goku went super Saiyan for the first time. The kid went screaming into his yard telling everyone what happened and every single 20+ year old dude in that group tripped over each other to go back inside with him and crowd around the TV to watch.

I suppose I could see something similar happening today in 2020, but I doubt the group of men rushing inside to watch a big revelation from Stephen Universe or some other American show would bear any resemblance at all to the group of working class Latinamericans who did the same for DBZ in the 1990’s.
 

One Man Bland

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Crossposting here so we don't shit up Jerry's thread with unnecessary autism.

Having given this a bit of thought recently I'll agree that they weren't space Nazis but I'll disagree that they weren't about to genocide us.
Consider this: The Nazis very intentionally set about enacting a pogrom against the Jews. They tracked them down and shipped them to camps where the entire end goal was their extermination. This isn't what the Gem Empire did at all. What I'd compare it to more is the effects of colonialism on native cultures but dialed up to 11. They saw us humans (and yes, we were around, it was only 5,500 years ago) as primitive and beneath their notice, and they wanted our planet to expand their empire. So they took it and began enacting changes to the planet that would render it uninhabitable by humanity, causing those of us not in the human zoo to die off.

But their end goal certainly wasn't killing us. The Nazis killed the Jews because they believed them to be subhuman scum who blighted the Earth with their presence and fucked over the rest of humanity, hence they had to go. But the Gem Empire just didn't care about the impact of their expansion on us, kinda like the colonial powers of the past.

For the Nazi comparison to be valid they would have had to be INTENTIONALLY exterminating us out of hatred. There's a big difference between hatred and apathy. Our destruction would have just been an unavoidable consequence of their expansion.
I think the other area where Crewniverse hit a snag with the whole "total planetary destruction and the eradication of all on earth for the empire isn’t genocide" thing is that Gempire doesn’t need to engage in that level in conquest for reasons that were traditionally the motives behind expansion. Gems don’t eat so they have no need for agriculture, Gems don’t age so there’s no incentive for reproduction or sustaining a consistent labor force, Gems don’t even need housing because they are immune to the elements so there’s no need for construction, resource farming, or any of the technological advancements that come with that.

The only reason for such aggressive terraforming and conquering is purely vanity and status. Which I’d argue is actually worse in some ways.

And I would disagree that there was absolutely no despite behind the Gempire’s actions in killing off all life on the other planets for this expansion. The Homeworld Gems make it very clear on several occasions that they consider "organics" to be abominations and have trouble distinguishing between the different types of organic life in favor of listing all of them as vermin. Hell, the entire reason Pearls seem to be singled out as The Slave Caste is because pearls are partially organic. That doesn’t come about if they only feel indifference for other life forms.
 

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I think the other area where Crewniverse hit a snag with the whole "total planetary destruction and the eradication of all on earth for the empire isn’t genocide" thing is that Gempire doesn’t need to engage in that level in conquest for reasons that were traditionally the motives behind expansion. Gems don’t eat so they have no need for agriculture, Gems don’t age so there’s no incentive for reproduction or sustaining a consistent labor force, Gems don’t even need housing because they are immune to the elements so there’s no need for construction, resource farming, or any of the technological advancements that come with that.

The only reason for such aggressive terraforming and conquering is purely vanity and status. Which I’d argue is actually worse in some ways.

And I would disagree that there was absolutely no despite behind the Gempire’s actions in killing off all life on the other planets for this expansion. The Homeworld Gems make it very clear on several occasions that they consider "organics" to be abominations and have trouble distinguishing between the different types of organic life in favor of listing all of them as vermin. Hell, the entire reason Pearls seem to be singled out as The Slave Caste is because pearls are partially organic. That doesn’t come about if they only feel indifference for other life forms.
I thought they were harvesting earth's mineral resources? Since the gem method of reproduction is to grow them in the ground.
 

One Man Bland

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I thought they were harvesting earth's mineral resources? Since the gem method of reproduction is to grow them in the ground.
Sorry, that wasn’t very clear.

I meant that, being a functionally immortal species the requires zero sustenance, the only incentive for Gems to engage in that kind of harvest is that the simple act of having a ton of planets and a ton of Gems made from those planets is a status symbol for the Diamonds - hence why they have so many murals and such showing off how many planets each Diamond has, and why Pink was so enraged that she never got any of her own. There’s no survival-based reason that can be linked to the Gempire’s expansion and resource mining that kills off all the life on those planets.
 

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Maybe someday, after all this woke shit has waned, someone will use the footage from this show to create a Space Ghost: Coast to Coast style parody. I dunno I feel like this show is such a perfect period piece of the 2010s it could really work.
Space Ghost was honest and simple, SUck is too perverse and meta with itself a parody is just redundant because everyone already makes fun of it and note what influences it takes from elsewhere. For example, Meat Canyon's spoofs of decades old cartoons work the same way Lasagna Cat transforms a simple comic strip into a one hour Ted Talk. How can something created from corrupted people be corrupted further?
 

Archeops

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So more of SU’s End of an Era art book is leaking and, to the surprise of ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, the Ruby/Sapphire wedding is what eventually killed the OG series.
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Also, Rebecca and other SU writers hosted a virtual NYCC panel for the art book.
On the one hand I can applaud her for staying open about wanting to continue the IP in some capacity. But on the other she kind of burned those bridges considering the direction CN is going and how SU has basically dropped out of the public eye.
 
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