Sudesh Amman: February 2nd, 2020 stabbing spree in Streatham, London; perpetrator dead -

[3119967d0c]

The angry stain on the pavement was stopped so quickly as at least 2 armed officers were tailing him as they knew he was dangerous and going to do something the moment he left prison.

I mean, it seems like it would have been easier and safer for the general public to have police officers stop him frequently on suspicion of knife possession, before he actually stabbed someone (given that 'stop and searches' have been allowed more frequently again even under Sadiq Khan), but there's always some risk they could have had problems from their bosses or the courts as a result.

Or, perhaps, the British government could just have employed their counter-terrorism laws in the same cavalier fashion they do against British people with politically incorrect views, declared him to be a member of some group whose name they made up and designated as a renamed version of ISIS, and locked him up for that. Of course, if they started doing that to Saudi-sponsored terrorists, the Saudis might stop buying British weapons to murder Yemeni babies.

Alternatively, if Boris Johnson wasn't a circus clown, he could just have had the SAS arbitarily shoot this guy down in the street and wait to see what came of it.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

I hope the current government whips into fucking shape to defend themselves against these super easily preventable attacks. Dunno how feasible that is, but if they can make Brexit happen...

You're talking about a country where 1,400 women being groomed, raped and trafficked was ignored for a decade, for fear of being labeled racists. And that's just the toll in Rotherham, and doesn't account for any of the other cities where such grooming gangs operated during that decade or more.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

You're talking about a country where 1,400 women being groomed, raped and trafficked was ignored for a decade, for fear of being labeled racists. And that's just the toll in Rotherham, and doesn't account for any of the other cities where such grooming gangs operated during that decade or more.

They were children and there were at least 19,000 of them according to the staunchly PC and leftist Independent. Campaigners claim higher figures.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ation-rotherham-rochdale-police-a9215261.html

Almost 19,000 children have been sexually groomed in England in the past year, according to official figures that have prompted warnings of an “epidemic”.

Campaigners say the true figure is far higher and accused the government of failing to tackle child sexual exploitation, despite promises made after high-profile cases in Rotherham and Rochdale.

More than 18,700 suspected victims of child sexual exploitation were identified by local authorities in 2018-19, up from 3,300 five years before.

Sarah Champion, the Labour MP for Rotherham, said the figures show that grooming “remains one of the largest forms of child abuse in the country”.

“Too many times, government has said it will ‘learn lessons’, yet 19,000 children are still at risk of sexual exploitation,” she told The Independent.

Champion wrote an article about it and got sacked from her post as Shadow Women And Equalities Minister following a complaint by Naz Shah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Champion#Shadow_Minister_for_Women_and_Equalities

In August 2017, on BBC Radio 4's Today programme she asserted that "more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".[34] Her statements were followed by an opinion piece for The Sun titled "British Pakistani men ARE raping and exploiting white girls ... and it's time we faced up to it".[35][36] The article went on to suggest that "Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".[37] Fellow Labour MP Naz Shah criticised Champion's statements, describing the headline as incendiary and irresponsible, and arguing that 90% of child sexual abusers were white men.[38]

A few days later, Champion distanced herself from The Sun article, which she said should "not have gone out in my name", asserting that the beginning of the article had been altered by the newspaper's staff resulting in the piece being "stripped of nuance". The newspaper said the article's final form had been approved by her team,[39] and later produced an email from one of her aides confirming she was actually "thrilled" by the article.[40] Champion resigned from her post on 16 August 2017.[37]

Naz Shah seems like a genuinely unpleasant person and is MP for Rochdale, another Labour constituency with a grooming gang problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naz_Shah#Parliamentary_career

In August 2017, Shah retweeted and liked a tweet which read: "Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity".[34] A spokesperson said: "This was a genuine accident eight days ago that was rectified within minutes."[35][36] Shah also pointed to her record on challenging abuse.[34] In April 2018, following Winnie Madikizela-Mandela's death, Shah paid tribute by tweeting an image incorporating Mandela's quote: "Together, hand in hand, with our matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country."[37] She later deleted the tweet.[38][37]

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

They were children and there were at least 19,000 of them according to the staunchly PC and leftist Independent. Campaigners claim higher figures.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ation-rotherham-rochdale-police-a9215261.html

The 1,400 is just the numbers I know that were confirmed for Rotherham, and doesn't include any numbers for any of the other 12 or 15 places it happened.

 

[emuemuemu]

Not to mention the notion of locking people up for viewing 'extremist material' seems to be extremely dubious since 'extremist material' may well at some point include this website.

I agree, locking people up just for spreading digital information is fucked up. On the other hand he was actively encouraging people to commit violence and help terrorist organizations. I hope that had more to do with the conviction.

Still, why prison? If he loves al-Qaeda maybe we should have just airdropped him into Yemen. "AQ's desert huts are that way, son. gl;hf".

And this early release bullshit. How about when you're working in the justice system and make that decision to let someone go free early, and that person then immediately commits another crime, then *you* go to jail along side them. There's a problem that will fix itself quickly enough.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

And this early release bullshit. How about when you're working in the justice system and make that decision to let someone go free early, and that person then immediately commits another crime, then *you* go to jail along side them. There's a problem that will fix itself quickly enough.

It's worse than that. At some point, some idiot decided that all prisoners got automatic early release halfway through their sentence with no mechanism for anyone to be able to block it for people like Amman who were clearly very likely to commit a more serious offense than the one that landed them in prison.

Here's how the London Bridge attacker went from an indeterminant sentence to being out in a couple of years and no one could stop it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-london-bridge-terrorist-released-from-prison

What sentence did he originally receive?

Khan was originally sentenced in February 2012. Like the other Stoke plotters, he pleaded guilty. The trial judge, Mr Justice Wilkie, weighed up whether to give Khan a fixed, determinate sentence, which under the prevailing rules would have meant he was eligible for release halfway during his prison term, or an indeterminate imprisonment for public protection (IPP) sentence, which would have meant his release would be subject to a parole board review.

He concluded that Khan and two others posed a sufficiently long-term risk to the public to hand down an indeterminate sentence. “In my judgment,” Wilkie concluded, Khan and the other two Stoke plotters were “more serious jihadis than the others. They were working to a long-term agenda”.

What happened when the case went to the court of appeal?

Khan and the other Stoke plotters successfully appealed against their indeterminate sentences in a case that concluded in March 2013.

The court of appeal, chaired by Lord Justice Leveson, concluded that there was no suggestion that Khan or the other two “would be in a position to activate, operate or participate” any terror training facility in Pakistan, and formed the view that in any event, their terror plans were largely related to overseas.

The court decided to impose fixed sentences instead. In Khan’s case this new sentence was a fixed term of 16 years, extended by a further five on licence. That meant he would automatically be allowed out after eight years, without the involvement of the parole board.

Why were such dangerous prisoners let out without parole board oversight?

The type of prison term Khan ultimately received was an extended sentence for public protection (EPP). These were introduced in April 2005, by Labour, in the Criminal Justice Act 2003, alongside the IPP sentences.

Initially, both required that a parole board assessment be made before a prisoner could be released. But the prison population soared, partly because parole boards were not impressed by rehabilitation efforts in jail.

Labour changed the law in 2008 to ease the pressure and for extended sentences only the requirement for parole board oversight was removed. Prisoners like Khan – who were not subject to any other conditions – became automatically eligible for release halfway through their jail terms.

The rules for terrorism sentencing were changed by the Conservatives in 2015 as Islamic State became more active. All terrorism offenders sentenced since then have to apply for parole.

Leveson is the guy who wanted to have state regulation of the press. So he basically wants to stop the Daily Mail printing racist and Islamophobic stories but let out convicted terrorists early. What a wanker.

 

[niggerhater1488]

Let's be honest; This would not have happened if the uk didn't let refugees in.

 

[soft kitty]

Let's be honest; This would not have happened if the uk didn't let refugees in.

Yeah no fucking shit. It also wouldn't have happened if the UK didn't make it illegal for citizens to defend themselves.

 

[niggerhater1488]

Yeah no fucking shit. It also wouldn't have happened if the UK didn't make it illegal for citizens to defend themselves.

man i live in the uk and i find it so fucking stupid that we basically cant defend ourselves. iirc you cannot carry a blade that is above like 2 inches or some shit and that you can only punch ONCE towards an attacker. Anymore is considered assault or some bullshit like that.

 

[soft kitty]

man i live in the uk and i find it so fucking stupid that we basically cant defend ourselves. iirc you cannot carry a blade that is above like 2 inches or some shit and that you can only punch ONCE towards an attacker. Anymore is considered assault or some bullshit like that.

Forget punching them or stabbing them with a <2 inch blade, if someone tried pulling that shit in Texas you'd get your head blown off.

 

[niggerhater1488]

Forget punching them or stabbing them with a <2 inch blade, if someone tried pulling that shit in Texas you'd get your head blown off.

we need the usa to liberate us honestly

 

[ToroidalBoat]

How many stabbings do we have to hear from before something is done.

As long as this world remains the dystopia it is: ∞?

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

One thing I'd like to see more discussion about is the fact that he was apparently sharing extremist material with members of his family, as well as his girlfriend.

Given the nature of what he was apparently sharing with them, they should have been in a position to put a stop to this before it got anywhere near this far, and yet, they don't appear to have either A) came forward and notified the police about his stated beliefs/intentions beforehand, or B) came forward about it after the fact to explain the nature of the foreknowledge they're alleged to have had about his beliefs/intentions.

I know that we must presume innocence in the case of family members, but I'm seriously getting tired of reading the same story over and over again: terrorist commits terrorist attack > their friends and family feign incredulity about the obvious warning signs that existed in the run up to it. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm starting to get rather incredulous myself.

All too often, the media and the authorities like to talk about "radicalization" like it's some strange foreign virus infecting our local communities from a scary, distant land (like Syria or Iraq), but what is rarely discussed is the degree to which radicalization starts at home: whether within the person's family, or within their local sphere of influence (notably: peer groups and places of worship). Until we start to tackle that, I don't think we are going to effectively combat this.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Mass stabbing and terror attacks in the UK are sort of like industrial accidents and deaths due to shoddy buildings and shit in China. I've been watching videos on LiveLeak of shit falling off buildings and squashing pedestrians and shit in China the past few hours and it's caused kind of an epiphany for me when I saw this. In both cases there's no outcry. There's no revolt to change something. There's no real effect. People have just gotten so acclimatized to the situation that they are happy it wasn't their turn to fall into a bottomless death pit that opened up beneath the sidewalk, or get stabbed by the Muslim who has been saying for years that the kuffars must die and that the streets will run with blood, and then they continue to go about their business like nothing happened.

Complacency kills. In these cases - literally.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I know that we must presume innocence in the case of family members, but I'm seriously getting tired of reading the same story over and over again: terrorist commits terrorist attack > their friends and family feign incredulity about the obvious warning signs that existed in the run up to it. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm starting to get rather incredulous myself.

His mother is completely full of shit when she said after the attack he was 'a nice, polite boy'.

https://news.sky.com/story/streatha...o-her-polite-boy-hours-before-attack-11925460

The mother of Streatham terrorist Sudesh Amman has told Sky News he was a "nice, polite boy" who was radicalised online and in prison - and revealed she spoke to him just hours before the attack.

Haleema Faraz Khan said her son seemed "normal" when she visited him at a bail hostel on Thursday and he called her before Sunday's attack asking her to make him some mutton biryani.

From the pdf attachment here

Sudesh Amman: February 2nd, 2020 stabbing spree in Streatham, London; perpetrator dead

Where's the poll?

kiwifarms.net

4. You came to the attention of the police in April this year when officers were made aware of an online posting. A Dutch blogger exposed online extremist material he had identified in a Telegram chat room. That material included a photograph of a knife with two firearms on a Shahada flag with the phrase ‘Armed and ready April 3’ in Arabic. The blogger also highlighted his belief that the same person who had posted this material had also posted a You Tube link to a pro-gay rights speaker who frequented Speaker’s corner in Hyde Park. That link called on others to “all unite together to attack one another. He will be there this Sunday at Hyde Park.” Police enquiries showed that the extremist material had been posted on the Telegram chat room through your account. It was this that led to your arrest.

,,,

15. On 1st January 2018 you posted on the family WhatsApp group ‘La Familia’ a link to a pdf copy of the ‘Inspire 16’ magazine. You intended at the time that this would be a direct or indirect encouragement or inducement to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism. ‘Inspire’ is purportedly published by Al-Malahem Media on behalf of the al-Qaidah organisation. The document includes articles on ‘the successful pressure cooker bomb’ and deals with matters such as maximising casualties from IEDs. Another article refers to explosions in New Jersey and New York and a stabbing in Minesota in September 2016.

16. Included in the family WhatsApp group your brothers who were aged 15, 13 and 11 at the time. In messages with your siblings you can be seen to be promoting an extremist ideology. This is not in my view an immature fascination with graphic violence or with a taboo subject but the acts of someone with, for whatever reason or motivation, an ideological belief. By way of example you send to your 11 year old brother images depicting child fighters and IS or IS inspired propaganda. On December 12, 2017 you post an image of the ISIS leader and tell your 11 year old brother that ‘ISIS still exists’, ‘is everywhere’, ‘can never die’ and that the ‘Islamic state is here to stay’ and also speaks of the reward from Jihad. You speak about Muslims in London being massacred and being put in conditions worse than concentration camps. You express the belief that Jews are doing worse to Muslims and suggest that as Yazidi women are slaves the Quran makes it permissible to rape them. In January 2018 you describe to your 15 year old brother how you would ‘rather blow yourself up’ and how you want to know ‘how to make bombs’.

Ammar had been sending this stuff to his family WhatsApp group in 2018. A Dutch blogger reported him for posting Islamist shit in a Telegram group. He went to prison for a couple of years. His mother visited him in a halfway house in 2020 and said he was 'a nice polite boy' and she was shocked he'd do anything bad and that he was only interested in mutton biryani.

Bullshit. His family has known for ages and covered it up.

Mass stabbing and terror attacks in the UK are sort of like industrial accidents and deaths due to shoddy buildings and shit in China. I've been watching videos on LiveLeak of shit falling off buildings and squashing pedestrians and shit in China the past few hours and it's caused kind of an epiphany for me when I saw this. In both cases there's no outcry. There's no revolt to change something. There's no real effect. People have just gotten so acclimatized to the situation that they are happy it wasn't their turn to fall into a bottomless death pit that opened up beneath the sidewalk, or get stabbed by the Muslim who has been saying for years that the kuffars must die and that the streets will run with blood, and then they continue to go about their business like nothing happened.

I think in both cases some percentage of people know they're being shafted by the powers that be even if the media tell them everything is fine. They also think if they speak out they'll be in a minority and those powers will crush them like a bug just like various dissidents in both countries have been crushed.

That can and, and hopefully will, change though,

I mean everyone in Romania supported Ceausescu until they suddenly didn't. Everyone in Iraq supported Saddam until US tanks rolled in and suddenly no one did. Societies where a sizeable minority or even a majority know there are some truths they dare not voice, are like false vacuums. Once things start to change and people realize the powers that be are impotent to stop that change, they will change very fast indeed.

 

[who dare wins?]

His mother is completely full of shit when she said after the attack he was 'a nice, polite boy'.

https://news.sky.com/story/streatha...o-her-polite-boy-hours-before-attack-11925460



From the pdf attachment here

Sudesh Amman: February 2nd, 2020 stabbing spree in Streatham, London; perpetrator dead

Where's the poll?

kiwifarms.net

,,,



Ammar had been sending this stuff to his family WhatsApp group in 2018. A Dutch blogger reported him for posting Islamist shit in a Telegram group. He went to prison for a couple of years. His mother visited him in a halfway house in 2020 and said he was 'a nice polite boy' and she was shocked he'd do anything bad and that he was only interested in mutton biryani.

Bullshit. His family has known for ages and covered it up.



I think in both cases some percentage of people know they're being shafted by the powers that be even if the media tell them everything is fine. They also think if they speak out they'll be in a minority and those powers will crush them like a bug just like various dissidents in both countries have been crushed.

That can and, and hopefully will, change though,

I mean everyone in Romania supported Ceausescu until they suddenly didn't. Everyone in Iraq supported Saddam until US tanks rolled in and suddenly no one did. Societies where a sizeable minority or even a majority know there are some truths they dare not voice, are like false vacuums. Once things start to change and people realize the powers that be are impotent to stop that change, they will change very fast indeed.

Fucking hell, a lot of these terrorists have family and friend so that egg them on to do it, then say bullshit to the media. This guy also called for his girlfriend to behead her parents as well