Super Hero Girls - Comicbook adaptation for young girls that does not suck

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As part of my parental due diligence, I make sure to watch a few episodes of whatever it is catches my daughters attention in this media saturated hellscape. In this case its Super Hero Girls on Netflix.

Considering the state of modern comics and Netflix animation in general I was already prepared to consign this one to the black hole of permanent removal from suggestions. Imagine my surprise when my expectations are subverted. I had expected a whole bunch of third wave feminist drivel complete with bumbling men, overpowered girl power monologues and situations people who I assume were never children but are definitely what a focus testing committee of space aliens ASSUME are situations human children get into presented with deadpan seriousness.

Actually none of that. The batgirl episodes central conflict is Batgirl needs to go out and fight poison ivy during her weekly daddy/daughter "date" with her father commissioner Gordon. Hijinks ensue but in the end everything is accomplished and the episode ends with the two watching a movie together. At no point is commissioner gordon portrayed as overbearing, or their relationship as anything but positive. Nor is he used as the butt of jokes, as we would assume.

The other episode I watched involved Wonder Woman, who despite being a highly trained Amazon Warrior had never been taught how to interact with boys and was immediately brought low by "her first crush". Now this one was very surprising to me because it hits on the fact that girls could be attracted to boys, and that this might actually have to be something they have to deal with growing up. The object of infatuation was of course a high school version of Steve Trevor (yay for canon). Hijinks ensue and the episode ends with most of the girls trying to beat Trevor up, while Batgirl saves the day by hacking into the military academies systems and getting trevor accepted there. But, plot twist! At the end Prince still had pictures of her Trevor in her locker. What a shocking idea that teen and pre-teen girls might do that, I know.

And wouldn't you know it, the showrunner behind this delightful show is Lauren Faust, of Season 1 of MLP fame. Its absolutely amazing what a difference having someone who is well adjusted and is not a troon or blue haired harpy can make for shows like this.
 

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@mindlessobserver

And wouldn't you know it, the showrunner behind this delightful show is Lauren Faust, of Season 1 of MLP fame. Its absolutely amazing what a difference having someone who is well adjusted and is not a troon or blue haired harpy can make for shows like this.

Eh... I wouldn't be so optimistic. Lauren did shit on superman on that same show to make him a narcissitc jackass to make supergirl good. Derailing the male hero to make his female version look good smells as wokeness to me.

I will just copy paste what I said in the star wars thread:

More recently, she also wrote SBFF which features the opposite, long story short she wrote an episode with supergirl being all bratty, and superman telling her she is grounded, but she doesn't listen to the male authority figure... until Martha Kent, that is their mom, shows up (of course you can't have their dad in a feminist show, do you?).

Later she wrote an episode with Superman acting like a huge narcissistic ass that just wants to make Supergirl look bad.


And he is an all-around jackass, as opposed to awesome and heroic Supergirl.



I am all for comedy and all, but isn't supergirl usually the least mature of the two? She is usually seen admiring or at least liking Superman. I can shake this feeling Lauren is shitting on superman just so people like Supergirl more because you can't have a competent hero steal the spotlight of a HERo in the current year.

Heck in the earlier episodes that weren't made by Lauren Superman even had a statue and they made clear he was actually a role model.

Point is, Lauren, can make competent shows, but don't think she is as above it all as you think.
 
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Yea~no. Shitting on Superman is why I thought CW Supergirl was trash from the get-go.

Kara is technically older, but through time displacement is physically younger than Kal, and is thus less maturely developed than he is. Perhaps if this were some sort of character arc for Kal I wouldn't mind, but it's not. It's just a springboard to make Kara right and to have a, "YOU GO GURRRRL!" moment.

You can have your positive moments with characters and still preserve the integrity of their colleagues without demeaning and degrading them. I don't think Faust understands that given the coddly nature that emerges from making MLP since forever; a show where male characters are so used to bowing to their female superiors they've grown comfortable on their knees.

Might also be that this is nothing like Kara's actual character as a caring, friendly cousin who has moments of insight and wisdom. Now she's just a bitch.
 

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Yea~no. Shitting on Superman is why I thought CW Supergirl was trash from the get-go.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were you the one that wrote why he isn't a Mary Sue in the dobson thread? That was an amazing post.

Anywho, I know shitting on superheroes is popular nowadays, but I have got a weak spot for Superman, so seeing him, and supergirl being victims of SJW crap has been disappointing.

That CW supergirl show is trash. Supergirl is a great character, but just making her Superman with a skirt/a bossy bitch is just wasting her potential IMHO.
 
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Anywho, I know shitting on apeshit is popular nowadays, but I have got a sweet spot for Superman, so seeing him being a victim of SJW crap has been disappointing.

Meh. What you described doesn't sound that overt.

Wake me when they figure how they do it to Frank Castle. I never really identified with comic book heros that had superpowers and were lawful good anyways. Others do, and that's fine. Superman always struck me as too goody two shoes. Frank has some complex psychological issues and shoots the hell out of bad people. I find it more compelling somehow.

I'm just happy @mindlessobserver has a healthy relationship with his child.
 

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Superman’s a dick though. There’s an entire website archiving photographic evidence of this.

Yeah, those super dickery covers are pretty good. They were basically clickbait before the internet.

Wake me when they figure how they do it to Frank Castle. I never really identified with comic book heros that had superpowers and were lawful good anyways. Others do, and that's fine. Superman always struck me as too goody two shoes. Frank has some complex psychological issues and shoots the hell out of bad people. I find it more compelling somehow.

Also, eh, don't think I have a sonic like obsession with Superman or anything.

The world can be dark and cynical at times, and I'm just a sucker for idealistic stories filled with hope and optimism, that's all. I don't mind people disliking him though, everyone has different tastes, so I can understand why for some people that can be boring. I can totally see why people prefer characters like Batman or The Punisher, which I also love.

Much like Batman, Punisher is more about how a man deals with grief, which is very interesting to me as well. Seeing a man that lost faith in ideals and "the system" and do that he feels needs to be done.

I'm just complaining about current year writers derailing a character for "gurll power". That's what I don't like. It's not so bad with Lauren Faust as, still, like the OP sad, she still can appeal to kids and their parents. But that definitively turned me off from CW Supergirl.
 
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The Super girl on this show actually acts like the younger sister perpetually in the shadow of her more well known brother. The entire relationship from what little I saw of it is based on that. Superman's personality in the show is less superman and more how he would seem to a younger sibling having to deal with people constantly judging her based on an older sibling.

Which is again, something that routinely happens to kids growing up.
 

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The Super girl on this show actually acts like the younger sister perpetually in the shadow of her more well known brother. The entire relationship from what little I saw of it is based on that. Superman's personality in the show is less superman and more how he would seem to a younger sibling having to deal with people constantly judging her based on an older sibling.

Which is again, something that routinely happens to kids growing up.

Yeah, I was going to say it is more a sibling thing between them as opposed to Superman being an authority figure, so having her being scolded by Martha, the actual parent and authority figure seems fine. At least, in the context of the kid's thing. Actual comic continuity is a whole other thing. I'm far from an expert on it, but it seems like the younger audience stuff likes to portray Superman weirdly. You'd think if anything they'd play up the "boyscout" reputation he tends to have, but I guess it's goofier to have him as a comedic foil? Kind of like how Aquaman in Brave and the Bold was dialed up to 11. I'd be happy to sperg out about why Superman isn't like that/all the interesting stories that you can tell with the character, but eh, I'm more than willing to give a kid's show a pass since it clearly isn't trying to tell/influence the main continuity.

Now, something like the early CW seasons of Supergirl is a whole other story, since that doesn't have the kid friendly argument to fall back on. Though I'll give the CW some credit for making an actual effort with their crossover stuff and not just having Supergirl constantly overshadow him.
 

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I like this show but holy fuck the character designs look distorted. Bumblebee looks like she has a developmental disability.

I've never liked Bumblebee's design, except for in Tiny Titans, where she is clearly the best Titan.

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It's OK at best - starts out pretty MEH, though. I only hope Season 2 (if it gets one, anyway) picks up the pace in the writing quality. It may look fine, but the writing quality is pretty lackluster, especially compared to something like Young Justice (Seriously, I love that show), anyway.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but were you the one that wrote why he isn't a Mary Sue in the dobson thread? That was an amazing post.

Anywho, I know shitting on superheroes is popular nowadays, but I have got a weak spot for Superman, so seeing him, and supergirl being victims of SJW crap has been disappointing.

That CW supergirl show is trash. Supergirl is a great character, but just making her Superman with a skirt/a bossy bitch is just wasting her potential IMHO.

I've talked about Superman before and how he's often poorly criticised, but I can't seem to find a post in the Dobson thread by me, so sadly no. :(

While he's not my favourite comic book character, I consider his core character concept (not all these multiverse versions) to be the definitive force of good when it comes to a superhero that is without peer - a trait that does not require his superpowers to hold validity. Some people don't like that he isn't overly complicated and I can see why some may not like the character, but I now find him refreshing in a sea of modern, narcissistic assholes wearing spandex.

I didn't watch much CW Supergirl, but those early episodes had her continuously complaining about her cousin, like a kid scrawling in her diary with My Chemical Romance blaring in the background while she sheds tears of jealousy. It just grew old fast, and shackling her to that made her feel more derivative than she already was. Separating from the progenitor material has had varying successes (Nightwing/Red Hood) and failures (Harley Quinn), but this is a case where I feel it would have helped the show more.

Superman’s a dick though. There’s an entire website archiving photographic evidence of this.

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Ye Olde comic covers were hilariously bad sometimes:

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As for the arguments on sibling rivalry and such, the problem here is that it doesn't really convey a moral. The classic arc of being outplayed by someone is usually that the angry person acknowledges they were beaten, and may:
- accept they are not as good at the activity and ask their fellow competitor to help them improve.
- recognise that not being as good at something is not worth losing a friendship over.
- understand that everyone has varying strengths and weaknesses, sometimes through discovering another activity they are more adept in.

This doesn't provide any of that, and only makes both characters look terrible. She just becomes a cranky bitch and he looks arrogant with no proper development. I gather this kind of superficial resolution is just how Faust writes her stories, but it's weak shit.
 
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