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Dovahshit

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As a former Supernatural fan (who fucked off around season five when it went to shit), I might be able to translate.

Early in the season, Castiel (dude in the trenchcoat who is potentially?* gay) was trapped in what SamTheEagle so aptly calls Super Hell (basically a void-space with a consciousness residing within it), and the way he got out was to make a deal with the consciousness that he would instantly be deported back to Super Hell if he ever experienced true happiness. Or something. I didn't watch it, but I read stuff.

Anyway, in the scene Castiel confesses his love to Dean (constipated looking dude) which will send him straight back to Super Hell because he's just so happy to tell Dean that he loves him even if it's not at all reciprocated (which is being seen as quite offensive and tone deaf, not least because confessing your gay love for someone you think is straight is usually horrifying, not something that makes you happy) and somehow this saves Dean from a thing, I think? I lost the plot at this point and nobody is talking about anything but that one scene so it's hard to tell what else was going on.

So basically the biggest issue is that killing off a character immediately after making it clear that they're gay is a HUGE homophobic no-no. Media has a massive history of killing off gay characters - it's referred to as Bury(ing) Your Gays - and it is often used in media to demonstrate homophobic ideas (that gays don't "get to" be happy, that gays should be punished with death for homosexuality, etc). In this case, sending Castiel basically to the worst Hell ever described on the show is a pretty clear message: If you're gay, you go to Hell. Pretty obvious homophobia.

There's also the fact that this is how they capped off a good ten solid years of what the fandom considers "queerbaiting" - that is, they've been teasing the relationship between Castiel and Dean basically since Castiel showed up in season four, encouraged by the fans who love the pairing, and then they end it with a "love confession" where the kind of love that is meant isn't even stated and Dean has zero reaction whatsoever. It's a pretty nasty way to pay back the fans that basically kept the show alive for ten years past the expiration date.

I think there's more to it and to people's complaints, but that's kind of the basics.

Personally, while the homophobic "bury your gays" bullshit always infuriates me, I think the most offensive part about the whole thing is the terrible acting. Jensen (Dean) could have been replaced with one of those life-sized standees and no one would have been the wiser, and Misha (Castiel) was overselling it so much it was truly cringeworthy and felt like he was parodying his own lines. But to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone can still take the show seriously after they pulled a season of "the boys versus god" immediately followed by "oh shit we ran out of stakes wait what if it was the boys versus god's evil sister who is totally scarier and more powerful than him!"

(Also, I'm really not sure how anyone is complaining when Supernatural has literally been homophobic as shit all along. Like, the entire time. Anyone else remember Corbett? No? Just me?)

* They really don't make it super clear that he meant romantic love, so this is pretty up in the air. Even when they're being homophobic on Supernatural, they're being extra homophobic by making it clear what they want the fans to understand in a scene but being too cowardly to take it all the way.
they really went for it then,
good fucking riddance
 

AmbiTron

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I enjoyed Supernatural for a long time. I wouldn't say it is a 'good' show, the story was pretty basic but the action was fun and I liked the characters, the classic rock, and the exploration of different supernatural concepts throughout the world. Unfortunately it is just... so bad now. TUMBLR took the reigns some seasons ago and it has only become more "insert your cringe OC here" over time. Rather unfortunate for those of us who just wanted to watch big dudes fuck up monsters with classic rock music in the background.
 

Troonologist PhD

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As a former Supernatural fan (who fucked off around season five when it went to shit), I might be able to translate.

Early in the season, Castiel (dude in the trenchcoat who is potentially?* gay) was trapped in what SamTheEagle so aptly calls Super Hell (basically a void-space with a consciousness residing within it), and the way he got out was to make a deal with the consciousness that he would instantly be deported back to Super Hell if he ever experienced true happiness. Or something. I didn't watch it, but I read stuff.

Anyway, in the scene Castiel confesses his love to Dean (constipated looking dude) which will send him straight back to Super Hell because he's just so happy to tell Dean that he loves him even if it's not at all reciprocated (which is being seen as quite offensive and tone deaf, not least because confessing your gay love for someone you think is straight is usually horrifying, not something that makes you happy) and somehow this saves Dean from a thing, I think? I lost the plot at this point and nobody is talking about anything but that one scene so it's hard to tell what else was going on.

So basically the biggest issue is that killing off a character immediately after making it clear that they're gay is a HUGE homophobic no-no. Media has a massive history of killing off gay characters - it's referred to as Bury(ing) Your Gays - and it is often used in media to demonstrate homophobic ideas (that gays don't "get to" be happy, that gays should be punished with death for homosexuality, etc). In this case, sending Castiel basically to the worst Hell ever described on the show is a pretty clear message: If you're gay, you go to Hell. Pretty obvious homophobia.

There's also the fact that this is how they capped off a good ten solid years of what the fandom considers "queerbaiting" - that is, they've been teasing the relationship between Castiel and Dean basically since Castiel showed up in season four, encouraged by the fans who love the pairing, and then they end it with a "love confession" where the kind of love that is meant isn't even stated and Dean has zero reaction whatsoever. It's a pretty nasty way to pay back the fans that basically kept the show alive for ten years past the expiration date.

I think there's more to it and to people's complaints, but that's kind of the basics.

Personally, while the homophobic "bury your gays" bullshit always infuriates me, I think the most offensive part about the whole thing is the terrible acting. Jensen (Dean) could have been replaced with one of those life-sized standees and no one would have been the wiser, and Misha (Castiel) was overselling it so much it was truly cringeworthy and felt like he was parodying his own lines. But to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone can still take the show seriously after they pulled a season of "the boys versus god" immediately followed by "oh shit we ran out of stakes wait what if it was the boys versus god's evil sister who is totally scarier and more powerful than him!"

(Also, I'm really not sure how anyone is complaining when Supernatural has literally been homophobic as shit all along. Like, the entire time. Anyone else remember Corbett? No? Just me?)

* They really don't make it super clear that he meant romantic love, so this is pretty up in the air. Even when they're being homophobic on Supernatural, they're being extra homophobic by making it clear what they want the fans to understand in a scene but being too cowardly to take it all the way.
This is probably just the actors’ revenge. For almost two decades this evil cult have been stalking them, stalking their wives, sexually harassing them, fantasizing about murdering and torturing their wives. One of them even tried to rape Jensen in an elevator. When they asked him about it they laughed about it and (probably) got turned by it after he specifically told them not to talk to him about it. I can’t wait for the salt from the fantards.
 

Meowthkip

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This is probably just the actors’ revenge. For almost two decades this evil cult have been stalking them, stalking their wives, sexually harassing them, fantasizing about murdering and torturing their wives. One of them even tried to rape Jensen in an elevator. When they asked him about it they laughed about it and (probably) got turned by it after he specifically told them not to talk to him about it. I can’t wait for the salt from the fantards.

I haven't seen the salt from them, just everybody else laughing at it from a distance and making some pretty good memes.
 

Clown Baby

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As a former Supernatural fan (who fucked off around season five when it went to shit), I might be able to translate.

Early in the season, Castiel (dude in the trenchcoat who is potentially?* gay) was trapped in what SamTheEagle so aptly calls Super Hell (basically a void-space with a consciousness residing within it), and the way he got out was to make a deal with the consciousness that he would instantly be deported back to Super Hell if he ever experienced true happiness. Or something. I didn't watch it, but I read stuff.

Anyway, in the scene Castiel confesses his love to Dean (constipated looking dude) which will send him straight back to Super Hell because he's just so happy to tell Dean that he loves him even if it's not at all reciprocated (which is being seen as quite offensive and tone deaf, not least because confessing your gay love for someone you think is straight is usually horrifying, not something that makes you happy) and somehow this saves Dean from a thing, I think? I lost the plot at this point and nobody is talking about anything but that one scene so it's hard to tell what else was going on.

So basically the biggest issue is that killing off a character immediately after making it clear that they're gay is a HUGE homophobic no-no. Media has a massive history of killing off gay characters - it's referred to as Bury(ing) Your Gays - and it is often used in media to demonstrate homophobic ideas (that gays don't "get to" be happy, that gays should be punished with death for homosexuality, etc). In this case, sending Castiel basically to the worst Hell ever described on the show is a pretty clear message: If you're gay, you go to Hell. Pretty obvious homophobia.

There's also the fact that this is how they capped off a good ten solid years of what the fandom considers "queerbaiting" - that is, they've been teasing the relationship between Castiel and Dean basically since Castiel showed up in season four, encouraged by the fans who love the pairing, and then they end it with a "love confession" where the kind of love that is meant isn't even stated and Dean has zero reaction whatsoever. It's a pretty nasty way to pay back the fans that basically kept the show alive for ten years past the expiration date.

I think there's more to it and to people's complaints, but that's kind of the basics.

Personally, while the homophobic "bury your gays" bullshit always infuriates me, I think the most offensive part about the whole thing is the terrible acting. Jensen (Dean) could have been replaced with one of those life-sized standees and no one would have been the wiser, and Misha (Castiel) was overselling it so much it was truly cringeworthy and felt like he was parodying his own lines. But to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone can still take the show seriously after they pulled a season of "the boys versus god" immediately followed by "oh shit we ran out of stakes wait what if it was the boys versus god's evil sister who is totally scarier and more powerful than him!"

(Also, I'm really not sure how anyone is complaining when Supernatural has literally been homophobic as shit all along. Like, the entire time. Anyone else remember Corbett? No? Just me?)

* They really don't make it super clear that he meant romantic love, so this is pretty up in the air. Even when they're being homophobic on Supernatural, they're being extra homophobic by making it clear what they want the fans to understand in a scene but being too cowardly to take it all the way.
A shorter, less autistic explanation of this: fans have been gay shipping 2 characters for years. The writers made one of them confess their gay love, had the other appear indifferent to it, and then instantly murdered the confessor. It feels very "fine you want gay shit, here's your gay shit" and the fandom is understandably rolling their eyes. I haven't seen anyone sperging or angry about this, just memes.
 

Pink Gooze

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This is probably just the actors’ revenge. For almost two decades this evil cult have been stalking them, stalking their wives, sexually harassing them, fantasizing about murdering and torturing their wives. One of them even tried to rape Jensen in an elevator. When they asked him about it they laughed about it and (probably) got turned by it after he specifically told them not to talk to him about it. I can’t wait for the salt from the fantards.
Wait, what happened to Jensen??! Jesus, that’s terrible.

Anyway, the Destihellers are driving me nutty. I haven’t even been keeping up with S15 because somehow, at the tail end of the show, my patience finally broke. Idk who’s writing this season but they suck. Anyway, I watched the scene and all I got from it was that it was a one-sided confession.

I did see a rather interesting interpretation of that scene tho. Someone said something about how it was actually Cas confessing so he could finally let go of his feelings for Dean. And then something about how it’s less homophobic how the scene played out or something.

I also got people jumping down my throat when I dared to suggest Sam was the most important person to Dean and that nothing will ever change that. Got told that in this episode Dean disregards Sam or some shit like that idk. But then I said “Dude, I got the entire series to prove what I said, not just this one damn episode”.

Ugh. Dumbass crazy fans. I love SPN, I’m a fan girl for it, I ship Wincest like the little freak I am, but I also separate fantasy and reality. I understand context. I make the choice to strap on my shipping goggles too tight but I can also take the goggles off. Unlike these weirdos - who have their goggles on so tight all the time that it cuts off blood to their brain.

Rate me “mad at the internet” or whatever but as a fan of the show, just generally speaking, it’s annoying behavior. If it was just joking around, calling it canon for fun, then whatever. But these people are actually so delusional they believe it’s canon and I just really hate that shit. Even “casuals” believe Destiel is canon now.
 

Jackisnotaname

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I am just glad that the comments describing this scene pointed out that everything Castiel said could have been interpreted as someone telling his brother how much he loved him with zero romantic implications. Also, just for the record Castiel told Dean 'I love you' and said the same thing to the rest of Dean's relatives in an earlier dying monologue so it wasn't even a revelation.

Also, the speech was completely ignored in the next episode which should make people realize that it wasn't something that made Dean re-evaluate anything about his relationship with Castiel or cause people to demand the show be cancelled for homophobia.
 

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TitanWest

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Oh I wasn't saying there weren't crazed fangirls bleating away somewhere, but this is a Tumblr thread. For all that people say Tumblr is terrible, twitter is utterly unusable in my opinion. Tumblr hags are so weathered at this point most of them have a better sense of humor about this whole thing.
Ever since Tumblr banned porn a huge swath of their users left. Judging by how fucked Twitter's gotten they all moved there. Now the Tumblr userbase is more relaxed since many of the anti-social SJW types moved to Twitter.
 

Iron Hamster

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So........surprising to no one, a rather blah ending. God disappeared all the peoples leaving Sam, Dean, and Jack (Lucifer's son) to wallow in the torment of being alone. Somewhere a spell was cast on Jack to allow him to absorb energy. A spot on earth, with a spell, can kill God according to God's death book so they go there and perform the spell. God shows up and decides to beat the fuck out of Sam and Dean before snuffing them out. Jack absorbs the energy exerted to do this. Jack goes up to God and drains him into himself making Jack the new God. Jack restores the universe and everyone lives happily ever after.
 

Dovahshit

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So........surprising to no one, a rather blah ending. God disappeared all the peoples leaving Sam, Dean, and Jack (Lucifer's son) to wallow in the torment of being alone. Somewhere a spell was cast on Jack to allow him to absorb energy. A spot on earth, with a spell, can kill God according to God's death book so they go there and perform the spell. God shows up and decides to beat the fuck out of Sam and Dean before snuffing them out. Jack absorbs the energy exerted to do this. Jack goes up to God and drains him into himself making Jack the new God. Jack restores the universe and everyone lives happily ever after.
i hate it,

they shouldve gotten out with a bang, sam and dean that is, and none of this gay ass bullshit that is called jack and the whole dumb universe.
 

From The Uncanny Valley

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So........surprising to no one, a rather blah ending. God disappeared all the peoples leaving Sam, Dean, and Jack (Lucifer's son) to wallow in the torment of being alone. Somewhere a spell was cast on Jack to allow him to absorb energy. A spot on earth, with a spell, can kill God according to God's death book so they go there and perform the spell. God shows up and decides to beat the fuck out of Sam and Dean before snuffing them out. Jack absorbs the energy exerted to do this. Jack goes up to God and drains him into himself making Jack the new God. Jack restores the universe and everyone lives happily ever after.

They should've slaughtered every one and turned to the screen and said "FUCK YOU"
 

Pink Gooze

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To be fair, there’s still one more episode to go. The previous episode was like the season finale and the next will be the series finale.

Basically everyone is in the dark about what’s going to happen next.
Personally I liked the idea of Sam & Dean becoming the Light & the Darkness, respectfully, instead. I figured they might be going there since Sam had a fragment of Chuck in him (or vice versa) and Dean had the MoC, connecting him to Amara, before. In my vision it would seem like they would have gone out with a bang. But then that thing would happen where someone they cared about would see them in passing, turn to look, then they’d be gone. With the whole implication being they’re basically road tripping all of creation, maintaining balance in a way Chuck and Amara never could.

In a sense they would have died but they’d live on in another way.

Personally I’m not all for the traditional go out with a bang idea since they’ve done it many times in the past. I kinda like the whole Ascend to a Higher Plain idea, it’s very final but not tragic. But admittedly that sort of ending is hard to pull off and I’m not sure the current writers have the chops to pull it off. But, to be frank, I’m sure some fanfic writer will come along and write a far better ending in the spirit of canon (no shoehorning in ships, basically). And tbh I already read a Wincest fic that wrote a better ass ending. So there’s that lol

Moving on, you guys should see the Destihellers being utterly convinced the previous episode was the ending for the filthy casuals and that the finale is going to be all about Dean and Castiel. It goes beyond delusion at this point and it’s hilarious.
 

Pink Gooze

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Okay so I happened upon this post while scoping out ship tags (one for legit content, the rest for comedy). And it’s crazy. This person watches the show but hates Dean / Jensen, Castiel / Misha, and only likes Sam / Jared. Also in another post I saw from them they said Dean was a pedo or some shit?? I have no idea what this person is smoking but it is hilarious just how wrong they are.

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Like I’m a SamGirl myself, but come on. Dean has serious flaws, he’s controlling and overprotective of Sam but you also gotta consider why that is — the man literally carried out Sam from a fire when he was four years old. He lost his mother, his father changed, he got forced into the hunting life earlier than Sam was, he was told to always protect Sam. And for the longest time all he had was his dad and Sam.

The show flat out states they’re codependent for a reason. Does no one ever stop to think at the trauma Dean endured? I mean really? The show literally goes into his various issues, calls them out, then calls out how he copes with those issues.

And, as if you couldn’t have possibly guessed it, this is their profile description.
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I think about the only good, and actually interesting, take they had or agreed with was about how Jack becoming God was something positive for Sam since Sam has been at least semi-religious since the early seasons, yet has been routinely dicked over by Angels, Heavens plan, and then finding out God was an asshole. To finally know there was a benevolent God in charge, one who cared and was in all things? How it must have been nice for Sam.

That’s actually a take I can firmly get behind and it does make sense considering a few eps ago Adam said something along the lines of “God is in all things, or at least that’s how it should be”.

So I will admit that post that I found on their blog actually made me think a little better of the idea of Jack becoming God. That is, of course, assuming that the final episode doesn’t fuck all that up somehow.
 
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I enjoyed Supernatural for a long time. I wouldn't say it is a 'good' show, the story was pretty basic but the action was fun and I liked the characters, the classic rock, and the exploration of different supernatural concepts throughout the world. Unfortunately it is just... so bad now. TUMBLR took the reigns some seasons ago and it has only become more "insert your cringe OC here" over time. Rather unfortunate for those of us who just wanted to watch big dudes fuck up monsters with classic rock music in the background.
i was very much a fan of seasons 1-5 but i inevitably dropped it because i was dying of boredom. the novelty of whitty lumberjack bros taking on spooky creatures, demons and angels kinda dies out when it becomes more and more of HOW DO WE RAISE THE STAKES NOW???? to me it will have always ended in season 5, (when it was SUPPOSED to end). it feels way more satisfying that way.

the fans are absolute frothing lunatics. but what else do you expect from a series that revolves around hollister model looking niggas, where female characters rarely live beyond 2 seasons? it's like the perfect recipe for fujo faghags to dig their claws into. no matter how blaringly heterosexual the characters are. now, i don't know if that changed in later seasons or anything, but from what i remember sam and dean couldn't keep their dicks in their pants around women.
 
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