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Maurice Caine

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Pink Gooze

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This could be because whoever was responsible wanted to deny people who ship brothers together even a hint of possibility, and did it like that clunky "How to write so nobody ships incest" tumblr post suggests.
Too bad that plan didn’t work then. I’ve seen more anti-wincesters see it as a canon wincest ending than I have actual wincesters. And boy are they mad, it’s hilarious. It’s mostly because of the forehead touch, by the way. And because they ultimately do end up in Heaven together, with it being implied Dean’s Heaven wasn’t perfect until Sam arrived.

So if that was what they were going for they failed pretty miserably. I would like to see that post, if you happen to have a link to it... you know, so I can do the exact opposite one day lol
 

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I assumed so when they said they were finally free to live a normal life end of last episode. They're complaint of not being 'free' was being chained to fighting monsters and not having that normal life. This episode opened showing them doing the mundane things (not chasing boulders) of an average normal life.

He's was actually in the empty and they asked Jack to save Castiel but they never showed anything. Dean met Bobby in heaven but not Castiel so.........
Apparently the actor could not make it to the set because of Covid, so thats why he was not seen in the finale, from what I've read here and there. In the scene, Bobby actually mentions that Jack reformed Heaven or whatever, and that "Cas helped", which pretty much indicates that Castiel was apparently revived by Jack after the fact. But the reason you don't see him because RL.

I never watched the show religiously, and only had a passing interest off and on over the years, so I'm just catching up now... and also watching the drama unfold about #theysilencedthem on twitter... it's a bad idea to look at the fandom tags on tumblr because holy crap.
 
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After letting this ending sink in for a while, and getting past my initial gut reaction, I’ve decided I’m actually happy with this ending.

It’s bittersweet and could have been so much worse. I’m glad they ended it with just the brothers, with a Bobby cameo of course. And Dean’s death scene was so beautifully acted by both Jensen and Jared. I admit at first I was upset with the ending but upon reflection I realized I was just sad to see my boys go.

Plus some things the actors have said made me appreciate it more. It’s not a perfect ending but they’re in Heaven together so I’m content.
 

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Supernatural's Misha Collins Refutes Spanish Dub of Castiel's Confession to Dean, Confirms 'There Never Was an Alternate Ending' to Episode 18

“There never was an alternate ending of Episode 15×18 when Cas said, ‘I love you.’ There apparently was a rogue translator,” Collins clarified in a Twitter video early on Thursday. “I feel proud of the ending of Supernatural. I feel like it was intentionally inclusive and a celebration of someone expressing their truth and having good things come of it.”

Collins went on to assert that “Castiel is not a character that plays into any insidious trope of exclusion in Hollywood.” Rather, the character’s confession of love “was done of his own volition with full knowledge of the consequences of those actions. He went on to rebuild Heaven and his action literally saved the world… And if that’s not something to celebrate, I don’t know what is.” The actor concluded by admitting he’s “a little irked” by fans’ response to the Spanish dub: “I love you all, and I love your passion, and I wish we could just take a moment to celebrate the good of this show. I’m sad it’s gone. It was 15 years of the forces of good triumphing over the forces of evil. Was it perfect? No. But I think the world is better off because of it. And I’m sticking to my guns.”

After posting the video — the sentiment of which was repeated in a series of written tweets — Collins apologized in a follow-up tweet if his words had come off as defensive, adding that “I naively thought Cas in 15.18 was going to feel validating. But this isn’t about me. I’m going to shut up and listen for a change. If it’s not too much to ask, please tell me what we could have done better.”

UPDATE: Several hours after posting his original video, Collins has walked back the statements made in it, further apologizing that the video may have come across as insensitive. “I see lots of comments about how tone-deaf my video is. I agree and I feel sick,” he wrote. “I want to delete it, but I think that will erase all of your important comments & I feel like I should own my ignorance. I’ve been wrestling with this all night & day. Don’t know what to do. Sorry.”
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This is pretty much correct. Destiel has even gained the fandom nickname 'Destihellers' due to how insanely obnoxious the shippers of it are. Granted it really was just a way to take the heat off the shippers of it in general, so they could go "I'm a Destiel shipper, not a Destiheller". They're unashamedly convinced that the final episode of Supernatural is going to end on Castiel and Dean fucking on a heart shaped bed. And they tend to bug the actors about it A LOT. I'm pretty sure the moment Jensen Ackles drew the line with the shipping bullshit was when one of his fans literally printed and gave him a explicit image of himself and Castiel engaging in BDSM.

Speaking of, there's pretty dedicated communities outside of the whole 'shipping' bullshit that are convinced that one of the three main actors (take your pick which one) is absolutely, unabashedly abusing the other two. I've seen them get openly butthurt about gag reels because they've interpreted any of the three protagonists joking around on set as them 'sabotaging the others and sabotaging the show'. It's pretty fucking ridiculous.

I actually really do like the show (up to about season 5 or 6, then it got kinda wonky) but boy if I don't stay away from these fuckers with a 12 foot pole.
Since shit's started to go down on tumblr again, would you by any chance have a link/more info about the BDSM bullshit? I totally get it if you don't wanna try and find a source lol, I tried and the results weren't pleasant
 

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Oh wow, this just gave me a heavy dosage of nostalgia. I remember when this blew the fuck up all over Tumblr a couple of years back. Unfortunately, the original post has been deleted; fortunately, it's been archived. This post truly is the epitome of entitlement and everything that's wrong with fangirls fandom as a whole. Although, to be fair, a ton of people were calling this brat out on her entitlement issues; after a certain point, I remember most of the reblogs being rebuttals. And believe me, there's a lot to rebut.

And, again, this was all because Jensen Ackles didn't want to answer (and even seemed uncomfortable about answering) questions about his character's sexuality. Because not wanting to talk about how gay/bi the character you're portraying is with a bunch of teenage fangirls totally means you hate gay people.


"Mr. Jensen Ackles, you make me uncomfortable. I’m even, at least a little bit, scared of you. You make me uncomfortable because I make you uncomfortable. You make me uncomfortable because who I am, what I am- you don’t like it. And that worries me."

Yep, this girl is genuinely afraid of Jensen Ackles because he doesn't want to gush about his character's sexuality. The idea that he might just not care or has better things to discuss with the fans doesn't even cross her mind. Nope, he totally hates her personally.

"You dehumanize me because I am a woman. You have said mysognistic things. You dehumanize me because I am a teenage girl, and people mock teenage girls. My voice does not matter because I am young, and I am female, and I am not your show’s target demographic. You dehumanize me because I am queer, and that is what this letter is about in particular. (The other parts will take part, though, because my queerness is not entirely unrelated to my femaleness, as I am a person, fully formed, and my parts cannot, will not, be dissected.)"

Holy shit.

First of all, way to typecast Jensen Ackles as a woman-hating homophobe who especially hates teenage girls and dehumanizes everyone who isn't white/straight/cis. That's not libel or anything. Also, top fucking lol that she goes out of her way to be all "DON'T REDUCE ME TO MY QUEERNESS/FEMALENESS!! I AM A WHOLE PERSON!!!" when she spends literally the entire fucking letter talking about how queer and female she is.

"And that means I’m scared of you, no matter how nice you are. That means I have to be scared of you. Warning signs are how I, and others like me, stay alive, Mr. Ackles."

If she doesn't bitch about Mr. Ackles and constantly antagonize people for not being perfect she will literally get murdered, you guys.

"It means I will avoid you at cons; it means I will not go to supernatural panels that you are a part of. Because even though you wouldn’t ever physically attack me, you scare me. You scare me because you will dehumanize me. You will put me in situations where you will say things, things that are horrible, and I will be in a room full of people who will agree with you because you’re famous, because they admire you, maybe because they just don’t like queer teenage girls and you’re confirming what they already believe. It doesn’t matter why: they will agree with you" you know what, fuck it, this quote is way too long already and she just bitches some more.

Again, she's portraying Jensen as a horrible fucking monster who will sic an entire room of people against her for daring to be a queer teenage girl. She seriously seems to think that he's just going to start throwing slurs around like they're party favors even though we have no evidence that he's even remotely homophobic.

"If I cannot keep from crying while watching old videos alone in my room, watching a queer teenage girl (like me, another like me, because there are so very many of us, Mr. Ackles) standing in a room surrounded by thousands of people, valiantly trying to tell her hero that “being gay is not unmanly”, trying to help this person she admires learn that what he said is not okay, the way he is thinking is not okay, anger in her voice matching the anger I feel as well, (because being gay is not unmanly, and because being unmanly is not bad), and watching the room turn hostile, watch the actor refuse to listen- how will I keep from crying when it happens in front of me? When it happens to me?"

I love this part because she basically admits that she only cares about herself. She doesn't care about the teenager girl who was in that uncomfortable situation, all she can think about is ME ME ME ME ME!

"I would cry, Mr. Ackles. I would need to leave the room, so that I could sit outside and curl up in a friend’s arms as she promised me that I was safe, that she wouldn’t let them hurt me, that you hadn’tmeant it, that you didn’t know what would likely happen to that teenage girl, the threats she would receive and hatred and anger she would face- anything so that I would feel less betrayed, less fearful, less alienated. Anything to make me feel like I still counted as a person."

This really isn't as big of a deal as you're making it.

"I know others who have done far more than cry because of this. People who have no friend to turn to in those moments of betrayal, of fear, people who hate themselves already and you- you have put the knife in their hand."

Are you hearing this? "You have put the knife in their hand." Can you even get more emotionally manipulative and passive-aggressive than this? I don't think it's possible. She's basically saying "If people are so thin-skinned that they can't handle you not talking about your character's sexuality, whatever they do to themselves is your fault."

"I have done worse. Queer teenage girls are often betrayed by their heroes, I am afraid. You are not the first person I have looked up to that has given me a knife. You will not be the last. I refuse to take the knife from you, Mr. Ackles, or any other hero who follows. I do not care what you intended. I will not hold you hand so that you understand that the knife is there. I will be blunt, because you do not deserve kindness in this respect.

You are holding a knife, Mr. Ackles."


OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD

Guys, you don't understand how brave she is! This totally isn't Grade A manipulative, emotional abuse or anything! All she's saying is that by not wanting to kiss his male costar he's literally murdering queer people, that's all!

"You are breaking my queer little heart, Mr. Ackles. I will cry."

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"Pretend that you are a queer teenage girl. (I know this is difficult for you. I know you find this ridiculous. Do it anyways, please.)"

No.

Also, there are literally paragraphs devoted to how it breaks her queer little heart that Supernatural doesn't revolve around her identity so I'm not even gonna bother touching that.

"Mr. Ackles, you misunderstand us. There are asexual fans who want Dean to be canonically bisexual. There are lesbians who want Dean to be canonically bisexual. I am queer, Mr. Ackles. I am not interested in sex with you, or your colleagues, and I am not interested in you and your colleagues having sex It’s silly I have to state this so specifically, and I am not often comfortable talking about my sexuality at great length, but let me be clear: I may be interested in all genders, but I prefer women. I greatly prefer women. I have no interest in any men currently, and have had no interest for three years."

THIS ENTIRE FUCKING LETTER IS ABOUT HOW YOU WANT HIM TO BE BISEXUAL, OF COURSE YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU TWAT.

"I want Dean to be queer, and yes, I wish Dean and Castiel would end up together (though I know many people who want dean to be bisexual who do not) because I want to have the slow-burn, well-developed love story I have always been denied."

Seriously, "I have always been denied." She is so fucking entitled.

"When you look at us, you think we are basing this around lust. Mr Ackles, I do not give a fuck if Dean Winchester and Castiel have sex. I do not care if they kiss.I do not care.I want them to love each other, and I want them to admit it, on screen, so that I never have to hear another fratboy fan tell me that it is all in my head that these characters love each other, because that would be gross and wrong and perverted. So that I will have a love story with characters I identify with. So that I can have a queer romance that isn’t a tragedy. I know you do not control this. But it is your choice to react to the idea of Dean being bisexual with something along the lines of revulsion."

Because Jensen is required to discuss shipping or else he's a horrible person. This chick never even considers that fact that Jensen has probably been asked questions about Dean and Castiel more times than he can count and is sick of it by now. No, it's because he finds queer people repulsive. AGAIN, NOT LIBEL.

"And you cannot pretend that the show does not know we want Dean to be bisexual. There have been eight years of queerbaiting, growing more and more intense over the seasons. Your show profits off us by hinting that this character could be like us. Do not act surprised when we want that hinting to become a fact."

Ah, and now we come to the cornerstone of what makes up entitled Tumblrina shipping: Queerbaiting. For those who don't know, "queerbaiting" is an accusation that creators purposely inject homoerotic subtext into a work without the intention of actually making that queerness "canon." In other words, they're "teasing" LGBT people by hinting at a queer relationship but never actually fulfilling it.

The biggest problem with this concept is how incredibly subjective the undertones are. Shippers (not just gay shippers, but with every kind of shipping) have a bad habit of interpreting literally fucking everything that happens between characters as a sign of romantic interest. For example, Alice smiling at Bob and Bob smiling back will be held up as "proof" that Alice and Bob are in love but won't admit it yet. Or Alice telling Cecilia how much she treasures their friendship and Cecilia being moved by her speech is held up as solid evidence that Alice and Cecilia belong together. Now, that's not to say that these things can't be interpreted romantically, but they can damn well be interpreted as signs platonic affection (to most diehard shippers, platonic love doesn't seem to exist).

So you can basically twist anything into "queerbaiting" if you're so inclined. That's why it's a useless term. And again, it gives off a really bad air of entitlement; that last sentence sure as hell does. Nobody owes you anything.

"You are uncomfortable with us discussing Dean Winchester’s sexuality. You don’t seem to understand why we bring it up so much."

Again, Jensen can't even be uncomfortable with discussing this stupid shit. He's not allowed to have boundaries. He has to discuss this stupid fandom bullshit at length because otherwise he's literally stabbing queer teenage girls in their queer little hearts.

You know, fuck it, I'm done. There's only a paragraph or so left but it contains so much entitlement that, combined with the staggering amount of entitlement already present, is infecting me and making me want to shriek at my dad to buy me a brand-new sports car even though we can't afford it and I've done nothing to deserve it.


At the end of the day, nobody owes you anything. Jensen Ackles and the Supernatural screenwriters shouldn't be obligated to provide you with a perfect queer romance; they created the series, not you, and if that rubs you the wrong way you should just make your own series where you can control what goes on.
For some reason I was curious and decided to run this word salad though a machine summarizing tool and came back with this.

«Mr. Jensen Ackles, you make me uncomfortable. I’m even, at least a little bit, scared of you. You make me uncomfortable because I make you uncomfortable. You make me uncomfortable because who I am, what I am- you don’t like it. And that worries me».

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD

«You are breaking my queer little heart, Mr. Ackles. I will cry».
«Pretend that you are a queer teenage girl.
No.
Also, there are literally paragraphs devoted to how it breaks her queer little heart that Supernatural doesn't revolve around her identity so I'm not even gonna bother touching that.
«Mr. Ackles, you misunderstand us. There are asexual fans who want Dean to be canonically bisexual. There are lesbians who want Dean to be canonically bisexual. I am queer, Mr. Ackles.

It's cut down to 10% of it's original length and I still have no idea what the fuck she's on about. What I can understand is:

"I'm gay. I'm so fucking gay that I make you uncomfortable and that for some reason makes me uncomfortable with how gay I am. Now imagine that you're as gay as I am. Why doesn't this show revolve more around being gay. There are other fags who want Dean to be mega gay. I am gay Mr. Ackles."
 

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I've been watching the series again and seasons 1-2 are amazing, season 3 is pretty good, seasons 4-5 are alright-ish, I've only just begun season 6 but im bored already. Its a shame how the series turned out.
I found some funny clips. The actress who plays Becky nailed the fangirls really well.


The fanfic Becky is writing actually exists. Link
Sam' s thrusting became erratic and he was soon releasing his hot, possibly demon tainted, seed inside his brother. :story: :story: :story:

Did these people comprehend the trolling that was Becky's character? I feel like they didn't. There was much finger pointing and denouncing of "the bad ones" but honestly.. all the fangirls were BTFO'd by Becky.

God damnit Supernatural was really funny sometimes early on. And surprisingly dark and violent for a basic cable TV show. I'm sad it devolved into an autismal cluster fuck but thank you whoever bumped this thread because this post did me tf in.
 

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I have more

I risk sounding like one of those fangirls but I think it would've been funny if Becky and Sam did end up together. Or the actors. I just never liked Genevieve and her version of Ruby. No chemistry, and after years her acting skills haven't improved one bit and were never good to begin with.
 

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT, UPDATE ON THE FANDOM, SOME SCRIPTS WERE LEAKED ONLINE AND BY SOME SCRIPTS, I MEAN THE SCRIPTS FOR THE LAST EPISODES, GOD WILL NOT LET THIS FUCKING FANDOM REST

sorry for that but here's the full story:
Twitter user, jjohns313 bought two supernatural final screenplay drafts from eBay, turns out it was episodes 19 and 20, season 15, that's right, someone bought the screenplay draft to the finale of supernatural, and of course, everyone is going crazy, why? because Cas was omitted from it.

here are the screenplays if you what to read them
 

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT, UPDATE ON THE FANDOM, SOME SCRIPTS WERE LEAKED ONLINE AND BY SOME SCRIPTS, I MEAN THE SCRIPTS FOR THE LAST EPISODES, GOD WILL NOT LET THIS FUCKING FANDOM REST

sorry for that but here's the full story:
Twitter user, jjohns313 bought two supernatural final screenplay drafts from eBay, turns out it was episodes 19 and 20, season 15, that's right, someone bought the screenplay draft to the finale of supernatural, and of course, everyone is going crazy, why? because Cas was omitted from it.

here are the screenplays if you what to read them
For those of us who are male, can you explain why this is important? Did they write a fandom favorite out of the finale?
 
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