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MembersSchoolPizza

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Clearly I was not just giving an example of a group which would be perfectly happy to oppress founding-stock Americans. You are very incisive.
Being pedantic is a good counter for exceptionalism. You've got to come up with a sizable amount of people you think are morally suspect for obviously identifiable reasons. Mind you, I'm not sure being Puerto Rican is a good indicator of being morally bankrupt, but even if it were, it's nowhere near enough.
 

Syaoran Li

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This has been the common wisdom and I agreed with it for a long time but our founders were mostly upper middle class folks with comfortbale lives and meanwhile places that have had the life utterly crushed out of them like Venezuala and North Korea prove incapable of toppling their governments.

I think revolution is a healthy, driven man's game and that it can only be pulled off by people whose wills haven't been broken. Same reason your Osama bin Laden types tend to be rich dudes and not random goatfuckers.
You do make a fair point about the revolutionary leaders being guys with lots of wealth and resources, but there are a few other things to consider when it comes to the situations in North Korea and Venezuela and a hypothetical crisis in the United States.

North Korea's been able to hold onto power because the Korean peasantry were already poor and had shitty lives before 1948 and Kim Il Sung's rule was greatly propped up by aid from the Soviet Union and Maoist China

By the time Kim Jong Un took charge of the regime in 2012, anyone in North Korea who remembered what life was like before Kim Il Sung was either dead or so old that they were nearing death.

Venezuela was able to stay afloat for so long because it was a fairly prosperous oil-rich nation before Hugo Chavez took over and implemented the current authoritarian socialist regime. Chavez was able to coast on the inertia of Venezuela's prior prosperity and things didn't start to fall apart until after Chavez was dead and Maduro was in charge.

The rioting and open rebellion didn't start in Venezuela until things got truly desperate for the common folk and the current crisis there is still ongoing and only started within the last three years or so.

Also, Venezuela and North Korea are not global economic and military powerhouses like the United States. The bar for a SHTF scenario that's severe enough to get the American civilian population to openly rebel en masse is a very high one to clear.

Not only would the police and military be suffering their own internal issues, there's the issue of foreign intervention in a scenario. One of the reasons why the first American Civil War had no real intervention from the Great Powers over in Europe is because that war was between two sides and the United States was not a superpower with the largest and most influential economy in the world yet.

But to get back on topic and to keep any further Civil War II sperging in check, I am definitely following this story for any further developments.

I'm a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and a legal gun owner myself and I'd love to see how this case plays out. Trump and McConnell have been stacking the federal judiciary with their guys, so it could get interesting.
 

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He can, but I'll laugh at him for spending more to do less than I could with some farming ingenuity.

Sabotaging roadways would wreak more havoc on a military convoy than one anti-tank rocket.

The rocket means one vehicle doesn't make it to the objective on time.

A blown bridge means none of them do.
The Afghans demonstrated the tremendous utility of disposable rocket launchers (primarily the RPG-7, but they used whatever they could get their hands on) in anti-convoy operations against the Soviets. Command-detonated mines (what we'd call IEDs today) were used to disable the first vehicle in the convoy while crossing a bridge or other geographic choke point, and then rockets (supplemented by captured AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers when those were available) would be used to rapidly knock out the command vehicle and the trail vehicle preventing the convoy from moving on the road. At that point, the convoy could be reduced more or less at leisure.

The Bear Went Over The Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics In Afghanistan is available from DTIC and has in-depth discussion of various attempts to attack and protect military convoys moving through remote areas with hostile guerrilla forces. I'd recommend giving it a quick browse through, especially the chapter titled "March and Convoy Escort". Mines alone, or mines and small-arms fire, were generally only effective for harassment and did not have much ability to actually stop or inflict major damage on a military convoy.
 

Jet Fuel Johnny

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In the Clinton years, the Army paid for at least one large study about whether troops would cooperate with unlawful orders to suppress the American people. It found that many would. The demographics have changed, both in the military and in the wider American society. Naturally, more would now comply with such orders than before.
The Army didn't pay for it. It was one officer who ran the survey through his fellow officers as an experiment. It largely ignored the rank and file, most of which would have been happy to yeet a fucking officer off a bridge for a $1.50 and a semi-used lollipop. When rumors spread about it the Army looked into who the idiot was who was talking about unlawful orders and firing on American citizens (Ruby Ridge and Waco were still bleeding when that idiot ran his little survey) and the Army Times frankly put out that the guy was a fucking ring knocking moron.

And the "unlawful order" part is critical. When you get screamed at because the CO told you to PMCS the motorpool in 110F heat and some chucklefuck LT punished everyone by taking their water away and someone passed out from heat stroke, you're not going to blow the UCMJ out your ass to shoot a few rednecks.

The absolute disdain the average line slime and REMF possesses for politicians, lawyers, and the "elite" has to be measured in metric fuckloads.
 

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The Army didn't pay for it. It was one officer who ran the survey through his fellow officers as an experiment. It largely ignored the rank and file, most of which would have been happy to yeet a fucking officer off a bridge for a $1.50 and a semi-used lollipop. When rumors spread about it the Army looked into who the idiot was who was talking about unlawful orders and firing on American citizens (Ruby Ridge and Waco were still bleeding when that idiot ran his little survey) and the Army Times frankly put out that the guy was a fucking ring knocking moron.

And the "unlawful order" part is critical. When you get screamed at because the CO told you to PMCS the motorpool in 110F heat and some chucklefuck LT punished everyone by taking their water away and someone passed out from heat stroke, you're not going to blow the UCMJ out your ass to shoot a few rednecks.

The absolute disdain the average line slime and REMF possesses for politicians, lawyers, and the "elite" has to be measured in metric fuckloads.
My guess is you wouldn't see full on 'fragging', but let's see a show of hands: who's heard of 'The Good Private Schweik'? No? Basically it's 'malicious compliance' writ large.

Government 'enforcement' squad requests ammo? They get the crappiest stuff the NG can dig out of their armories, stuff that's years past the 'shoot by' date.
Squad needs food badly? Here you go, have some 'four fingers of death' MREs.
 

Coleslaw

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That's why the slippery slope argument holds water. First it's just keep it in the city forever than its you can never leave the range with it.
The slippery slope "fallacy" is only one in a debate between two omnipotent, rational men, which these are not.
 
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The would like nothing better. They want to throw out our entire constitution and start again. They aren't shy about admitting that.

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It’s more than that. I genuinely think that some of these people will not be happy unless EVERYTHING is torn down. They want to start over at the very year zero of creation. Eliminate all knowledge of history and advancements and rebuild the very world in there image.


And even then they won’t be happy. And it all would start again.
 
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