Susie Green & Mermaids UK - "Trans Kid Support Charity", Susie had her underage kid get GRS

[Shaka Brah]

Really makes me wonder how many of those kids who will be off puberty blockers soon (and their parents don't follow gender pediatricians out to spain and other countries they hide in) will realize " my body feels less like shit" off puberty blockers and cross hormones. Hopefully some that don't want to face the truth that they feel better will be taken to psychologist and diagnosed with depression or anxiety or general teen troubles and once treated for that (optimistically with talking and coping and less meds for their age) they can realize it from there.
Obviously not all will. We're bound to have at least one or suicide from this.

The effects are permanent. Even if they go off them now, if they've taken them for any length of time it will cause severe harm. There's nothing anyone can do now that will undo the horror Tavistock brought into their lives. The only solution is to make sure it never happens to anyone else.

 

[Aaa0aaa0]

The effects are permanent. Even if they go off them now, if they've taken them for any length of time it will cause severe harm. There's nothing anyone can do now that will undo the horror Tavistock brought into their lives. The only solution is to make sure it never happens to anyone else.

Of course, I meant more the immediate afflictions. I remember one person who said they went off puberty blockers had a good portion of immediate symptoms like current aches, pains, & nausea disappear (I could be remembering wrong). Their skeletal system will be hosed and so will other parts of them, but for the moment they felt a bit better.

 

[cjöcker]

Really makes me wonder how many of those kids who will be off puberty blockers soon (and their parents don't follow gender pediatricians out to spain and other countries they hide in) will realize " my body feels less like shit" off puberty blockers and cross hormones.

Actually, kids with gender dysphoria that don't get put on to puberty blockers have a 20% chance of issues with gender dysphoria staying, while kids who do take puberty blockers have a 95% chance of it staying. So that's unlikely. The point of puberty blockers is to keep the kids needing more and more so pharma companies can rake in the sweet sweet GRS and HRT cash.

Of course, I meant more the immediate afflictions. I remember one person who said they went off puberty blockers had a good portion of immediate symptoms like current aches, pains, & nausea disappear (I could be remembering wrong). Their skeletal system will be hosed and so will other parts of them, but for the moment they felt a bit better.

It's almost as if they're experimental drugs made to stop testicle cancer rather than stop puberty :^)

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

As far as I'm concerned, Mermaids are now deeply worried because the reason they have for grifting has just been declared illegal.

Also, for those not familliar with UK law, Gillick competence basically says that a child can consent to medical treatment if he understands the consequences of that treatment. Tell me with a straight face that a 10 year old (because 10 year olds have been prescribed puberty blockers at Tavistock) can fully understand the consequences of becoming sterile.

 

[cjöcker]

As far as I'm concerned, Mermaids are now deeply worried because the reason they have for grifting has just been declared illegal.

Also, for those not familliar with UK law, Gillick competence basically says that a child can consent to medical treatment if he understands the consequences of that treatment. Tell me with a straight face that a 10 year old (because 10 year olds have been prescribed puberty blockers at Tavistock) can fully understand the consequences of becoming sterile.

Legally, they can't and haven't been since 1908. See Nash v. Inman.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Legally, they can't and haven't been since 1908. See Nash v. Inman.

But the UK says young women can understand the consequences of birth control (which does have potential negative side effects). Which I agree with, but all the pro-blocker people are saying this ruling is going to lead to banning birth control and abortion for under 18s.

 

[cjöcker]

But the UK says young women can understand the consequences of birth control (which does have potential negative side effects). Which I agree with, but all the pro-blocker people are saying this ruling is going to lead to banning birth control and abortion for under 18s.

Actually, I didn't think of that. I always knew about Nash v. Inman in contract law because it was a 'landmark' case but I wonder why it is seen that minors can not have the capacity to understand a contract and enter one but they can take medication like birth control and fully understand the possible concequences. Sorry. My legal knowledge is superficial at best and I've done 2 semesters of Australian legal studies so English law may as well be foreign to me.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Actually, I didn't think of that. I always knew about Nash v. Inman in contract law because it was a 'landmark' case but I wonder why it is seen that minors can not have the capacity to understand a contract and enter one but they can take medication like birth control and fully understand the possible concequences. Sorry. My legal knowledge is superficial at best and I've done 2 semesters of Australian legal studies so English law may as well be foreign to me.

My understanding — also not an English lawyer, so someone can correct me — is that the argument boils down to ‘if they’re going to have sex anyway, the potential consequences to a young woman for getting pregnant at 14 are way higher than the consequences of being prescribed birth control, so we might as well’. They will suffer in some way by not being prescribed contraception (by getting teen pregnant).

But also while birth control can lead to health issues, nowhere the same degree as blockers.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

all the pro-blocker people are saying this ruling is going to lead to banning... abortion

Stop threatening me with a good time.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

But the UK says young women can understand the consequences of birth control (which does have potential negative side effects).

Birth control =/= taking drugs that make you sterile and make your genitals basically useless.

 

[Positron]

You cannot compare birth control pills with the poison Tavistock subjects to kids. The hormone levels of modern OC pills are very low.

 

[Prolego]

all the pro-blocker people are saying this ruling is going to lead to banning birth control and abortion for under 18s.

That's just tranny scare-mongering. There's nothing in the judgment that can affect access to birth control.

Contraceptive drugs have been extensively tested to see 1) if they really work as contraceptives and 2) don't have any weird side-effects. All of that is extensively documented in respectable journals and thoroughly peer reviewed. There's a public paper trail.

Puberty blockers on the other hand are a random collection of drugs, licensed for other uses, that some very dodgy doctors have been handing out to kids without telling the full story. Not only has no research been done, but they actively discourage it, sabotaging, doxxing and forcing out anyone who even thinks the R word.

Download the judgement and note how many times the judges were "surprised" that the Tavistock did fuck all to follow up what happened after they drugged the kids. They were carrying out an experimental procedure but couldn't be arsed to do all that science-y stuff like collecting and collating data. Give kid pills, pose for photo, get to go on pride marches and meet Emma Watson. All that statistics stuff is so, like, twentieth century.

There were two lines to the judgment. 1) These kids can't really have a clue what they're giving up. 2) Even if they could understand that, the doctors haven't got a clue what they're selling.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

That's just tranny scare-mongering. There's nothing in the judgment that can affect access to birth control.

Contraceptive drugs have been extensively tested to see 1) if they really work as contraceptives and 2) don't have any weird side-effects. All of that is extensively documented in respectable journals and thoroughly peer reviewed. There's a public paper trail.

Puberty blockers on the other hand are a random collection of drugs, licensed for other uses, that some very dodgy doctors have been handing out to kids without telling the full story. Not only has no research been done, but they actively discourage it, sabotaging, doxxing and forcing out anyone who even thinks the R word.

Download the judgement and note how many times the judges were "surprised" that the Tavistock did fuck all to follow up what happened after they drugged the kids. They were carrying out an experimental procedure but couldn't be arsed to do all that science-y stuff like collecting and collating data. Give kid pills, pose for photo, get to go on pride marches and meet Emma Watson. All that statistics stuff is so, like, twentieth century.

There were two lines to the judgment. 1) These kids can't really have a clue what they're giving up. 2) Even if they could understand that, the doctors haven't got a clue what they're selling.

I know in the US, Lupron is used off label as a puberty blocker for trans kids, so it hasn’t had the normal amount of studies. Is this also true in the UK?

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

I know in the US, Lupron is used off label as a puberty blocker for trans kids, so it hasn’t had the normal amount of studies. Is this also true in the UK?

Yes, leuprolide and triptorelin are the main ones.

 

[Aaa0aaa0]

But the UK says young women can understand the consequences of birth control (which does have potential negative side effects). Which I agree with, but all the pro-blocker people are saying this ruling is going to lead to banning birth control and abortion for under 18s.

Not to mention birth control can help with things like extreme periods, which transitoning can help but getting your uterus taken out in 3 to 5 years time is something birth control doesnt do.

Download the judgement and note how many times the judges were "surprised" that the Tavistock did fuck all to follow up what happened after they drugged the kids. They were carrying out an experimental procedure but couldn't be arsed to do all that science-y stuff like collecting and collating data. Give kid pills, pose for photo, get to go on pride marches and meet Emma Watson. All that statistics stuff is so, like, twentieth century.

If jesus came in a prescription bottle that could be sold 100 times over. A feel good cult of strange.

 

[melty]

I know in the US, Lupron is used off label as a puberty blocker for trans kids, so it hasn’t had the normal amount of studies. Is this also true in the UK?

Lupron had been studied somewhat because it's been prescribed off label before. It's almost like the drug companies are desperate to sell this stuff.

https://khn.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems

Maybe it's been studied for troon stuff, i'm not really sure, but how are kid's bodies going to know the difference if it's prescribed to make them taller or to troon them out? They don't.
Troons and their supporters just do a lot of this handwaving where if something hasn't been studied very specifically for their case then they think there is no evidence against it and it's perfectly fine. No one has ever studied if troons in roller derby have an unfair advantage? Then there's no evidence! Even though there are plenty of studies on the effect of testosterone in athletes or studies for troons in other sports, these magically don't apply and you're a bigot for not allowing roller derby troons to beat up women until somebody studies that thing specifically. Which I highly encourage, they should have ten different studies going for roller derby troons and everything else until this nonsense finally ends.

 

[Ausrotten]

I know in the US, Lupron is used off label as a puberty blocker for trans kids, so it hasn’t had the normal amount of studies. Is this also true in the UK?

It's side effects on adult women is fairly well documented and spoiler alert: they're fucking horrific. It's used off-label to treat endometriosis and permanent bone density loss is such a common side effect that most doctors prescribe it for no longer than six months to avoid early onset osteoporosis. But I'm sure giving it to children for years is totally fine, especially given that the manufacturer has already been sued multiple times for marking up prices and for not giving adults proper informed consent.

 

[Rakdos92]

It's side effects on adult women is fairly well documented and spoiler alert: they're fucking horrific. It's used off-label to treat endometriosis and permanent bone density loss is such a common side effect that most doctors prescribe it for no longer than six months to avoid early onset osteoporosis. But I'm sure giving it to children for years is totally fine, especially given that the manufacturer has already been sued multiple times for marking up prices and for not giving adults proper informed consent.

"Who cares about long-term problems?! Gotta get these kids hooked on troonery!"
t.Mermaids UK

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

It's side effects on adult women is fairly well documented and spoiler alert: they're fucking horrific. It's used off-label to treat endometriosis and permanent bone density loss is such a common side effect that most doctors prescribe it for no longer than six months to avoid early onset osteoporosis. But I'm sure giving it to children for years is totally fine, especially given that the manufacturer has already been sued multiple times for marking up prices and for not giving adults proper informed consent.

Oh yeah, that reminds me that someone I know who went through fertility treatments in the late 90s told me she was really glad she avoided Lupron.

I know there’s a lot of instances of doctors not caring about women’s health, but I do wonder if doctors are so much more reticent with Lupron for adult women because adult women are much more likely to sue.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Girls, and usually it's noncey adult men knocking them up rather than teenage lads even. Children can't consent to sex, would've thought people in the Mermaids thread of all places would know that.