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Fromtheblackdepths

Welcome to the Ocean bitches.
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Mostly I think it's down to SJWs just fucking despising the OSR as something that they can never completely control. Oh sure they can infiltrate (which Zak tried to help do.) But the OSR is completely decentralized with no leadership or mob mentality. You got autists making spreadsheets and rules for 1st ed DnD who aren't even aware there was an attempted infiltration.
There was a infiltration? LoFTP was a honeypot?
Everyone just does their own thing on their islands. In his mind, Zak was supposed to be Moses leading the SJWs to the promised lands of OSR but that didn't happen so he's now problematic. He still can't do the math on why SJWs actually dislike him. Because he still believes he's one of them.
You can still believe in the tenets of something without being apart of it. Jimmy Dore's got those progressives even though the guy's not connected with Cenk anymore.
Also despite being another leftist hipster and genuine piece of shit he did things the SJWs didn't like that he thought they would. Such as the porn star thing. It was one big virtue signal and he had all these porn star purse puppies he could rely on until they all turned on him as inevitably women with power do to those they deem no longer useful.
I don't even think Mandy's little sperging did anything to his porn career, If I got all the pieces.
 

RX-78NT-1 Alex Gundam

The Autist who unironically studied Klingon
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You can still believe in the tenets of something without being apart of it. Jimmy Dore's got those progressives even though the guy's not connected with Cenk anymore.
Jimmy Dore makes the same mistakes Zak is making. He makes the occasional critique but still prefaces it with platitudes and capitulation "I'm still leftist but y'know maybe corps have too much power over left wing debate. But also some people are still mysoggyknees and problematic." He still uses the dumb leftist language and group think. And still thinks he's part of the club despite being completely disowned. These people are all still so in the cult they have a cognitive disonance over what caused them to be ostracized. My point is they SHOULDN'T believe in tenets that actively contributed to their downfall but they do.

Also reading through that essay Zak wrote I can already see the double standard. He thinks all these hate mobs are bad when he still goes out of his way to encourage censorship of stuff he doesn't like. He has no self awareness at all. Even when presented with people who did the exact shit as him to him he can never think that maybe his own actions have affected people in similar ways.
 

Fromtheblackdepths

Welcome to the Ocean bitches.
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Jimmy Dore makes the same mistakes Zak is making. He makes the occasional critique but still prefaces it with platitudes and capitulation "I'm still leftist but y'know maybe corps have too much power over left wing debate. But also some people are still mysoggyknees and problematic." He still uses the dumb leftist language and group think. And still thinks he's part of the club despite being completely disowned. These people are all still so in the cult they have a cognitive disonance over what caused them to be ostracized. My point is they SHOULDN'T believe in tenets that actively contributed to their downfall but they do.

Also reading through that essay Zak wrote I can already see the double standard. He thinks all these hate mobs are bad when he still goes out of his way to encourage censorship of stuff he doesn't like. He has no self awareness at all. Even when presented with people who did the exact shit as him to him he can never think that maybe his own actions have affected people in similar ways.
True, true.
 

Judge Dredd

Senior Layout Artist
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Campaign idea: play characters are hired by OSHA and have to make sure all the dungeons are handicapped accessible.
Ah, yes. Dark Lord Ronald the Clown, the Cursed Patriarch of House McDonald. A dangerous foe indeed.
If I ever run Ravenloft, I want to try and get these in as minor villains.

Better yet just fucking bring back al-qadim!
Fuck no. Given how they fucked Ravenloft, I don't trust them to do it right.

Plus, al-qadim is too niche of a setting for them. They'd have to ruin Dark Sun and Planescape first.

I also have a sneaking suspicion the people responsible for this are simply illiterate about the original source material, whether you're talking Universal monsters or Gothic fiction.
Seems to be a running trend with all social justice media. Either they don't know the source material, or they hate the source material.

How the hell does the indie rpg community get anything done?
My guess, and I say that as someone who's largely ignorant of RPGs, that the ease of making a RPG (if you can make a .pdf, you can make a RPG) means that people will make and publish things without input from the gatekeepers.
 

Emperor Julian

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Fuck no. Given how they fucked Ravenloft, I don't trust them to do it right.

Plus, al-qadim is too niche of a setting for them. They'd have to ruin Dark Sun and Planescape first.

Yeah you have a point, to do a setting like that justice they'd at least have to read at least arabian nights much like Ravenloft requires you to read some gothic horror, which if Ravenloft is anything to go by is unlikely on both accounts.
 

IAmNotAlpharius

For the Emperor!
True & Honest Fan
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Yeah you have a point, to do a setting like that justice they'd at least have to read at least arabian nights much like Ravenloft requires you to read some gothic horror, which if Ravenloft is anything to go by is unlikely on both accounts.
Lol at the idea that they would bother to study literature or another culture for their campaign. At most they’d watch Disney’s Aladdin and call it a night. A lot of the GM groups/forums/hangouts/etc are incredibly lazy now. They loathe the idea of doing research and ironically they’re projecting onto older GMs their prejudices. A fair number of younger gms are obsessed with “beating” their players too like they’re doing some moba or other BS. It’s pathetic.
 

IAmNotAlpharius

For the Emperor!
True & Honest Fan
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I would like to point out that Aladdin, particularly the cartoon, is considered "problematic" these days by a lot of these people. I have no fucking idea why.
True, but despite calling it problematic a lot of them are obsessed with Disney (and with trying to push Disney farther to the left). Moreso a lot of them would probably just do their “research” on critiques of the cartoon by fellow activists rather than dive into the culture and literature themselves.
 

SpaceMovie1992

Ram Ranch Invasion Force
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Hi, hello fellow nerds, massively late to this party but what can you do?
I cannot fucking fathom the mind of one of these people who looks at some old timey RPG trope (Goblins and Orcs are evil!!!) and decides that the best recourse is to throw a massive shitfit online and demand that the publisher change absolutely everything around because some jogger grifter claimed hurt fee fees over a made up connection between (insert evil race here) and BIPOC.

The TTRPG world is absolutely awash with games that have good-great mechanics and settings that are on the wrong side of mediocre. I have played like 3 Pathfinder campaigns where the DM just said fuck it and home-brewed the setting because Golarion is terrible. Sure, they didn't do a great job, but at least they tried, which brings me to my point:

You are the DM. You are God in your Realm, and presumably you have players that are willing to suspend disbelief and listen to you. If you like whatever system, why not just rip the mechanics and stat blocks out of it and put a little work in to write out a setting that you and your players enjoy, while sparing the rest of us from ever having to witness it? If, for some reason, you really love the rich world of the Forgotten Realms, why not just use that setting and re-write the parts you don't like? Isn't this supposed to be a hobby for creatives and dreamers? Surely a word document with setting edits isn't too much to throw together.
I know it's really all about power and feeling like your voice can control something but tl;dr: just shut the fuck up and write the jogger-orc connection or slavery out of your setting, retard.
 

Creepuscular

Dim Bulb
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I would like to point out that Aladdin, particularly the cartoon, is considered "problematic" these days by a lot of these people. I have no fucking idea why.
I’m paraphrasing, but the idea is along the lines of:

Hey, Genie, my wish is for world peace! Just kidding... my wish is you make Jasmine think I’m a prince so she’ll suck my dick.

Which is actually kinda problematic.
 

Corn Flakes

Battle Creek's Finest
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I’m paraphrasing, but the idea is along the lines of:

Hey, Genie, my wish is for world peace! Just kidding... my wish is you make Jasmine think I’m a prince so she’ll suck my dick.

Which is actually kinda problematic.
A destitute, crafty and selfish (remember, he develops as a character as the story goes) street urchin in a borderline medieval age, asking for world peace.

If that's really what these people think, I don't think they've ever been within fifteen yards of a homeless person, much less interacted with one.
 

WhatIsThePunchline

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I’m paraphrasing, but the idea is along the lines of:

Hey, Genie, my wish is for world peace! Just kidding... my wish is you make Jasmine think I’m a prince so she’ll suck my dick.

Which is actually kinda problematic.
Some comment I saw somewhere:

"Me : I wish twitter wasn't full of idiotic and crazy people
Genie: listen man i grant wishes not miracles"
 

Creepuscular

Dim Bulb
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A destitute, crafty and selfish (remember, he develops as a character as the story goes) street urchin in a borderline medieval age, asking for world peace.

If that's really what these people think, I don't think they've ever been within fifteen yards of a homeless person, much less interacted with one.
That’s not the point. World peace is a framing device.

The point is using absolute power for banging people against their will is bad advice for children.
 

Corn Flakes

Battle Creek's Finest
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The point is using absolute power for banging people against their will is bad advice for children.
That's the moral of the story, though. Aladdin wished for riches so he could try to impress Jasmine (since the Genie couldn't make anyone fall in love). It wasn't the riches that did it. He was wrong, and he recognized it as part of his character development.

Seriously, do people still watch movies until the end these days? Or is that problematic, too?
 

Creepuscular

Dim Bulb
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That's the moral of the story, though. Aladdin wished for riches so he could try to impress Jasmine (since the Genie couldn't make anyone fall in love). It wasn't the riches that did it. He was wrong, and he recognized it as part of his character development.

Seriously, do people still watch movies until the end these days? Or is that problematic, too?
I saw it 20 years ago, so I have little recollection.

The plot synopsis I read to reacquaint myself with it said one wish was to make Jasmine think he’s a prince because she can only marry a prince.
 

Syaoran Li

Oh, What a Night! Late December back in '63!
True & Honest Fan
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Jimmy Dore makes the same mistakes Zak is making. He makes the occasional critique but still prefaces it with platitudes and capitulation "I'm still leftist but y'know maybe corps have too much power over left wing debate. But also some people are still mysoggyknees and problematic." He still uses the dumb leftist language and group think. And still thinks he's part of the club despite being completely disowned. These people are all still so in the cult they have a cognitive disonance over what caused them to be ostracized. My point is they SHOULDN'T believe in tenets that actively contributed to their downfall but they do.

Also reading through that essay Zak wrote I can already see the double standard. He thinks all these hate mobs are bad when he still goes out of his way to encourage censorship of stuff he doesn't like. He has no self awareness at all. Even when presented with people who did the exact shit as him to him he can never think that maybe his own actions have affected people in similar ways.

Zak and Jimmy Dore both have the same problem of coming from the old Gen X left and not even being able to fully comprehend that the left are entirely the new moral guardians and that they need to abandon the leftist framework if they want to fight against it. The right-wing that they rebelled against is either dead or irrelevant.

Generation X'er liberals and leftists who aren't woke tend to have that problem and think that becoming non-leftist means they have to wind up as some kind of old-school fundie, neoconservative, or traditionalist from the Reagan and Bush eras.

So they still kinda have these subconscious biases and try to do the bare minimum of virtue signaling and leftist framing as a way to keep themselves from being seen as right-wing, because to them a right-winger (or non-leftist) is either a batshit insane /pol/ tard, a Randroid lolbertarian midwit, or far most likely, a Bible-thumping traditionalist redneck or suburbanite neocon.

Millennial and Zoomer leftists also have a similar issue in thinking the Religious Right is still relevant in any form other than a mere historical footnote. However, Late Millennial and Zoomer leftists also tend to be the biggest zealots of leftist beliefs and prone to the left-wing version of puritanism.

Outside of edgy and impotent /pol/ tard "traditionalists" who LARP as Puritans and a few Silent Gen geezers and Boomer fundies who are remnants of the old Reagan/Bush era right, the Religious Right is dead and buried and even their neocon benefactors threw them under the bus over a decade ago.

Guys like Zak and Dore are still operating on an old mindset that is largely irrelevant and only is propped up by the corporate elites that control the country. They still believe the fundies are something other than a pathetic and impotent relic these days.

Even if they focus on other things nowadays, that's probably one of the biggest reasons they still throw their lot in with the left, even if it's now a largely subsconscious motive.
 

WhatIsThePunchline

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You can absolutely be progressive without being woke. You won't have anyone to vote for, and you won't be any more politically relevant than the old fundies, but you absolutely can. But Zak seems to still want to be woke, he's just upset he ended up as the target of the day and was thrown out. He seems to have a narcissit streak to him, not necessarily to the level of a mental illness but as a pretty big part of his personality, so his cancellation probably smarted a lot more than usual.
 

RX-78NT-1 Alex Gundam

The Autist who unironically studied Klingon
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You can absolutely be progressive without being woke. You won't have anyone to vote for, and you won't be any more politically relevant than the old fundies, but you absolutely can. But Zak seems to still want to be woke, he's just upset he ended up as the target of the day and was thrown out. He seems to have a narcissit streak to him, not necessarily to the level of a mental illness but as a pretty big part of his personality, so his cancellation probably smarted a lot more than usual.
I read through the essay he wrote in it's entirety even though that was hard at times. He claims he's writing a tell all about VtM when in actuallity it's just one long whine post about how he was cancelled even though he's still a good progressive and it's paramount that the tranny who cancelled him forgive him publicly so he can be accepted again. It's actually quite sickening. Zak doesn't care that other people lost their jobs around him. Just that he was affected and he is deserving of absolution. So he can go back to cancelling others he doesn't like.
 

Loose Goose

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Yeah. He got a dose of his own medicine, and he is still reeling from the surprise. Before they came for him, he was one of the biggest loudmouths demanding purges. He had an enormous pulpit with real game industry clout, and he used it like every damn SJW motherfucker. The reason nobody stood up for him in the end was that everyone who could do so was either pissed off by his antics, or secretly relieved he was finally gone. It was a great excuse to drop "that guy", and they did. It is hilarious, and doubly so because he still does not get it. Let him burn.
 

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