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Deadlands is almost the same as Boot Hill, except Deadlands is more ghostly western. Boot Hill for Clint Eastwood
types. My dm called it last weekend since there were only two of us and the other standbys flaked.
Setting-wise, you're sort of right. Deadlands is the "Weird West" of horror and gaslamp fantasy while Boot Hill is a straight-up Western where the campaign setting is literally just the American frontier in the 19th Century.

I'm not too familiar with Deadlands and I know there were different editions of the original game and official adaptations for other systems like Savage Worlds but Boot Hill was all TSR and had three official editions.

Boot Hill 1E was from 1975 and was one of the very first RPG's ever made alongside the 1974 box set version of D&D, and was more or less a glorified man-to-man wargame for the Wild West and combat was highly lethal and used percentile dice.

Boot Hill 2E came out around 1979 and was more or less the same as 1E with the percentile dice system but there was a bit more of a proper RPG framework to it and also some conversion charts for doing crossovers with AD&D, Metamorphosis Alpha, and Gamma World. The same conversion chart also appeared in the original Dungeon Master's Guide for Boot Hill-D&D crossover games so it must've been a semi-common thing in the 70's and early 80's.

There were also a few extra supplements for the game, namely a DM screen, a set of miniatures, and some campaign modules for Boot Hill 2E in the early 80's.

Boot Hill 3E was released at the start of the 90's, around the same time as AD&D Second Edition and it was a typical late 80's/early 90's RPG. I don't know if it ever got any extra supplements or modules like 2E did. I never played 3E or read it, but I do have all the 2E stuff on PDF and that's what I use.
 
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Anyone have any interesting recommendations for systems that aren't DnD/Pathfinder/GURPS? Preferably for modern day settings (that aren't WoD). I've been thinking of doing a one-shot or a short campaign to test out new systems since I shelled out for a new VTT and have all these cool tools at my disposal now. I've run Kamigakari before, which I recommend to any tabletop weebs and the ruleset is free since the tranny that set up the kickstarter to publish the official English book ran off with the money. Other systems I've glanced over were Defiant and Witchcraft but the latter has some really hideous typesetting which turns me off even if the system seems neat. Took a look at Yellow King as well but combat system is so different that it might take everyone (including me) time to adjust to it.
Shill time because I like smaller indie games and I love spreading the love. I'm gonna recommend something a bit unorthodox, but I've played a lot of it and I stand by it in terms of ease of use, modularity for a variety of needs and good good fun.
http://opsandtactics.blogspot.com/ Ops & Tactics is one man's love-letter to operator/swat/general gunfagging and he made it on 4chan's /tg/ board back when it was less shitty, with a lot of help from /k/. It's on it's sixth "edition" or revision or w/e. It started out as a sort of home-brewed fanmade retread of D20 modern with all the known flaws and bad parts ironed out or improved upon and it just got better and bigger in scope since then. The big draw is the gunnuttery that permeates every facet of the rules, there's a shit ton of firearms statted and damage is based on caliber with different guns providing things like critical boosts or range or different amounts of kit you can slap on. The combat is punchy and robust and defenses are designed to have trouble out-scaling accuracy unless you hardcore optimize and play smart. Melee weapons are also given a fair cop, and melee works well again if you're a stealthy character or rely on improvised weapons in no gun zones. There's a light martial arts system. Called shots, good amount of perks and skilll options. You can be tacticool operator sniper man, or John Wick pistol-fu shitter as easily if you know what you're doing. It uses an action point system, like the older fallout games do, so you have a good amount of options and things you can do in a turn besides just shoot once and move once. It had a class system and used d20 ala D20 modern but has since become a 3d6 classless system. There is a urban fantasy sourcebook with magic bullets and fantasy races/monsters and a decent magic system that lets you make your own spells with effects, or gives you some pre-statted ones. There's also a cyberpunk/near future sourcebook for shit like androids/replicants, aliens, trans-humanist cyborg shit. Naturally you can combine the two and run Shadowrun pretty handily. The dude releases mini splats with new guns people ask for, there's a rules light version that shorthands a lot, and all in all it's free. A friend used the fantasy book to run Men in Black but with fantasy races instead of aliens, and I had a decent Hong Kong set John Woo crime game that relied on the melee and pistol rules for a lot of it, and a post apocalyptic sad robot game that came out of me playing too much Nier Automata and GFL. It runs any kind of modern game well, but the concession is that almost every PC and badguy is going to be decently, if not ludicrously strapped. WoD Vampire style game? Nosferatu has an lmg. Cryptid hunting game set in west virginia? You're gonna plug mothman full of holes. Ranges from ultrarealistic to John Wick based on how you wanna flavor things and what optional rules you use.

Kamigakari is nice, I'm still butthurt about the kickstarter. He couldn't just keep shitting up Shadowrun. defiant is neat, I obtained the book and gave it a look but somethings about how it's setting works confounds me a bit. Double Cross was another good modern weeb rpg, but the translator left a cryptic post about his health and then vanished of the face of the planet and now the game is pretty DOA in English. More than enough content to play it for a long time though.

Corporation is a fun RPG but it's strictly post-cyberpunk. It's pretty cheap usually and my go to for cyberpunk when I don't necessarily need the punk. Every one of the PCs sold out to the man and you're a troubleshooter team for one of the settings five megacorps or a smaller AA corp. The big megacorps are the Chinese industrial giant with Triad connections falling out of the wazoo, the American christian-fundy PMC and Arms dealing corporation that made America great again with martial law, The Japanese high tech honour based zaibatsu running around with secret genelocked katana lightsabers, the indo african psionic spiritualist company of peace who joined hands and remote brainblasted a bunch of higher ups in other companies when they established themselves, they also specialise in education and openly admit to trying to brainwash the youth. Europe got swalled by a massive luxury goods/pharmaceutical company who engages in all kinds of shady shit to secure their spot as a necesity. They have a monopoly on private healthcare or just about. The system is 2D10, pretty cheesy ultra-violent fun with some corporate espionage here and there. For my money, it's pretty apolitical and evenhanded considering the concept. It never makes you feel explicitly bad for being a sellout killing machine cyborg, and it's more like a setting based around the commercials from robocop instead of a thought provoking game attempting to tell you of the evils of late stage capitalism or anything like that. There are even in universe ads in the pages of the book that are pretty funny here and there. You can tell a small indie setup made it, but it has a lot of love.

I’ve been looking into Savage Worlds myself for a system I want to run. Its ludicrously short an easy, with most of the stuff in the core rulebook being optional rules. The only thing is that its made for more cinematic gameplay, so if you’re more into realism, look elsewhere.
Savage Worlds is great if your friends and or players are lazy fucks and you have to spoonfeed info to them because they're reading averse. It's also a fun springboard into Deadlands or one of the fun prebuilt settings like ETU.
 

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Ops & Tactics looks really good. Thanks for the recommendation. Luckily most of the people I play with aren't brainlets and are fine with reading provided the system isn't jank. It'll be a good change of pace from Pathfinder. Now to just think of a good one-shot I can run.
 

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Player ranting ahoy.

One thing I really hate about tabletop gaming is not the games themselves, but people disrespecting others' time. I'm in several online games (one weekly and one biweekly) and I have this one friend in both. She spreads herself thin with work, classes, and a time consuming sport. I get it, shit's busy. But she makes our weekly game late every time. Her boyfriend is also in our games. Those two play at our GM's house because her internet is shit. But they end up shitting around and we always start at least an hour late. And since they are in the same room together they constantly distract themselves and derail the game for the rest of us and I have to gently try to put things back on track. With our biweekly game (different GM), her aforementioned sport has made us cancel our last two games because she was busy with it. And when she can't play, her boyfriend can't either because they go everywhere together so we're down too many players for that GM to run it. And she wants us to do MORE games. And here I am sitting, over an hour later than I had planned to start my game but the GM is nowhere online yet. He's picking up bad habits from her.

Like, I probably sound overly bitter. It's just annoying.
I play on roll20 a lot since my area doesn’t have many tabletop people in person. It works if people aren’t flaky or shitty about showing up to games. On r20 you can just boot them easier and fill spots easier.
 
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I play on roll20 a lot since my area doesn’t have many tabletop people in person. It works if people aren’t flaky or shitty about showing up to games
That's what I've been exclusively playing on for over a year now, before the pandemic and all. I really like the atmosphere of in-person games but Roll20 has so many resources, and many more you can add in or customize yourself. I've played a few different systems on there. My GM has the premium version and he is able to give me GM control over my campaign so I have all his compendium stuff.

Also of course, people can be flaky even in online games. I've been playing in a Curse of Strahd game and while we have regular players who are reliable, we've had three different players over the past couple months who come for one session and then ditch. We ended up killing their characters off in dramatic ways to show how bloodthirsty Strahd is so I guess it worked out?
 

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Some PCs are just shitty and unreliable period. I don’t know how someone would screen out those people who do one then none. I hope they gave some notice to the dm? If not, what an asshole.
 

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That's what I've been exclusively playing on for over a year now, before the pandemic and all. I really like the atmosphere of in-person games but Roll20 has so many resources, and many more you can add in or customize yourself. I've played a few different systems on there. My GM has the premium version and he is able to give me GM control over my campaign so I have all his compendium stuff.

Also of course, people can be flaky even in online games. I've been playing in a Curse of Strahd game and while we have regular players who are reliable, we've had three different players over the past couple months who come for one session and then ditch. We ended up killing their characters off in dramatic ways to show how bloodthirsty Strahd is so I guess it worked out?
Yeah there's always a chance of of randos flaking. At least it's better than getting a "that guy" player. Eventually you start building a solid group of people can depend on and draw from later.

And side note, I really hate Roll20. It's probably the worst VTT service on the market but everyone uses it because that's what most people use. They give you the smallest storage space for the amount of money you pay and the dynamic lighting is finicky to say the least. I'm not even going to touch on how laggy it gets with certain character sheets. I'd recommend looking into alternatives like Astral or Foundry.
 

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I use it because most average players use it for remote play. I’ve had a solid CoC group built from that, we are taking a hiatus since dm vet had knee surgery. I looked for other settings, still looking. I’ve heard a lot about their bad or faulty tools. I can’t think of another service that connects the players and dms
 
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I use it because most average players use it for remote play. I’ve had a solid CoC group built from that, we are taking a hiatus since dm vet had knee surgery. I looked for other settings, still looking. I’ve heard a lot about their bad or faulty tools. I can’t think of another service that connects the players and dms
There's always, dare I say it, Discord and other social media, but yeah you're right in that it's one of the few places where you can easily pick up players/GMs. Someone should really develop an alternative since their actual product is trash. Most of my games that have been hosted on Roll20 have since been migrated to other platforms because the GMs got fed up and we've never looked back since.
If you or your GM are willing to shell out $50, you can get a license for Foundry which I think is currently one of the best alternatives. Game systems are developed by outside devs and there are also community developed modules which are like plug-ins which do cool things like adding animated spell fx or adding in-game time and calendar complete with auto-generated weather effects. The only potential downside is that your computer is the local host for the game server so if you have shitty internet, you might have to pay for an online host. That, and you'd have to have it open in order for your players to access their sheets. All files are stored in your program directory, so theoretically you are only limited by your hard drive(s).
Astral VTT offers similar services to Roll20 (minus the forums) but the UI and tools are a lot better. Their character sheets are kinda funky and I heard that macros are weird but price wise I think they're very competitive. I haven't looked too much into Fantasy Grounds, but I've heard it's very solid as well.
 
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Honestly, Roll20 has given me very little issues. Granted, it may be a matter of "I don't know what I'm missing", but it's serviceable to me. It does what it needs to do. Like I said before too, we've added some extra API scripting for ease of use and extra mechanics, and they've updated their dynamic lighting a little while back so maybe it's less finicky.

It's just a matter of taste I guess.
 

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That product sounds like a great way to turn all those interesting fantasy races into the equivalent of just re-skinned humans.

There's nothing wrong with certain populations being genetically inherently better than others at certain things. Fuck, it results in two very good things for a fantasy game:
  1. you can do really good stories and plot hooks about racism (and/or overcoming it, Gimli & Legolas-style). If you don't feel like doing monocultures, that's fine. You could have the dwarves of one mountainhome having an ancient hatred against the dwarves of a neighboring mountainhome due to a long-forgotten slight. People of the same ethnicity often have issues with people who just... don't live near them.
  2. having a party full of different races teaches you about teamwork and using the best things about each individual to their fullest. That is, celebrating diversity by killing dragons more efficiently.
I'm all for making fantasy worlds more intricate than just each race having a single Hat and nothing else, but ignoring all the cool biological things different races can do in favor of universal ancestries and cultures is going 100% in the wrong direction.
Ironically woke people should love that second point. Forced corporate diversity only makes sense (at face value) as an attempt to replicate that IRL.
 

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Ironically woke people should love that second point. Forced corporate diversity only makes sense (at face value) as an attempt to replicate that IRL.
They would never go for it because, as I said, it's about teamwork and using the best things about each individual to their fullest.

They want "representation", which is a completely different thing. They firmly want to believe everybody is equal (except the people they don't like...) and they don't care about individual competence. The idea of people being inherently different from one another, and worse: it being a good thing, is like sunlight to a vampire.
 

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Anyone willing to help a guy out? I tried multiple time to download the 3rd party stuff for PF1e (nothing from the Anthro or Otherverse subfolders) on The Trove but first time the card it was ended up corrupted and right now I actually transferred from my memory stick to my card and because i had two 3rd party folders from downloading different portions of it on different days I accidentally deleted both folders and lost nearly a week of effort and I just so fed up with doing this over and over
 

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Anyone willing to help a guy out? I tried multiple time to download the 3rd party stuff for PF1e (nothing from the Anthro or Otherverse subfolders) on The Trove but first time the card it was ended up corrupted and right now I actually transferred from my memory stick to my card and because i had two 3rd party folders from downloading different portions of it on different days I accidentally deleted both folders and lost nearly a week of effort and I just so fed up with doing this over and over
You wanna say that again slower, buddy? We have no idea what you want.
 
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Anyone willing to help a guy out? I tried multiple time to download the 3rd party stuff for PF1e (nothing from the Anthro or Otherverse subfolders) on The Trove but first time the card it was ended up corrupted and right now I actually transferred from my memory stick to my card and because i had two 3rd party folders from downloading different portions of it on different days I accidentally deleted both folders and lost nearly a week of effort and I just so fed up with doing this over and over
Why is your internet so slow it takes you a week to download a couple of PDFs? Just keep the Trove uploaded and you can access them online without having to download.
 
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You wanna say that again slower, buddy? We have no idea what you want.
Does anyone have a torrent or similar alternative so I do not have to download most of the files here https://thetrove.net/Books/Pathfinder/1st Edition/3rd Party/ one by one yet again, i deleted by accident the folder that I had previously downloaded this and do not want to have to go throught downloading this stuff all over one by one because it is long downloading 40 to 50 gb like that
Why is your internet so slow it takes you a week to download a couple of PDFs? Just keep the Trove uploaded and you can access them online without having to download.
Because where i live there is one internet connection divided between 15 devices (phones, consoles (including portable ones) and computers) which means many of those run at the same time plus my tablet is not a slightly older 3 to 4 hundred dollars when I brought it last year so I'm lucky to get a speed of 3mb/s at best and I often have to deal with less than 1mb/s so it take way too much time to get 40 to 50gb of pdfs
 
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My player decided to make friends with an evil boss guy instead of killing him. Why not? It actually lends into a subplot I have later on in the story so it may be a good thing.
 
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The DM of campaigns past is gonna help me build this one shot I am gonna run, and he planned on playing a rogue, but I got him hooked on playing investigator instead. Then again, investigator is just Alchemist and Rogue in a blender.
 
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Given how people here seem to be interested in a game, I'd like to offer to run a West Marches style game.
  • very sandboxy and player driven. As the GM, I just plop down some locations on a map. It's on the players to decide where they want to go.
  • very focused on exploration. There's no civilization in the region, save for a single outpost town which serves as a base.
  • drop-in/drop out play-style. Instead of a single, consistent party, there's a large pool of players. Whoever shows up that week joins the party for that session. Need to skip a session? No worries, someone else can take your place.
  • not necessarily balanced. There will be areas where the party will be highly outclassed, and charging forwards will most likely result in a TPK. There will be signs as to where these areas are, and a chance for the party to leave.

  • Basis of D&D 3.5, with a large amount of homebrew due to the setting.
  • Setting is post-apocalyptic fantasy. Think Mad Max with a bit of Shadowrun.
  • Backporting Pathfinder classes may be allowed.
  • Character creation is 4d6, keep three.
  • Game will be played over Discord, with roll20 being used for maps.
Let me know if you're interested, and I'll make a PM chain.
 
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Does anyone have a torrent or similar alternative so I do not have to download most of the files here https://thetrove.net/Books/Pathfinder/1st Edition/3rd Party/ one by one yet again, i deleted by accident the folder that I had previously downloaded this and do not want to have to go throught downloading this stuff all over one by one because it is long downloading 40 to 50 gb like that

Because where i live there is one internet connection divided between 15 devices (phones, consoles (including portable ones) and computers) which means many of those run at the same time plus my tablet is not a slightly older 3 to 4 hundred dollars when I brought it last year so I'm lucky to get a speed of 3mb/s at best and I often have to deal with less than 1mb/s so it take way too much time to get 40 to 50gb of pdfs
2 words: download manager (jdownloader etc). just let it run over night or something.
 
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