Tangent from Sargon thread about anti-SJWism & Status Quo -

AnOminous

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Although if you happen to be on the left the way I am, it starts to feel a little more ominous when you consider that maybe the reason we now have a president you didn't want is due in no small part to the adoption by enough thought leaders of the socjus attitude that we can just pitch a shitty candidate and call people damning names like "misogynist" and "alt-right" when they criticize her, instead of actually fielding a good candidate.
To be mildly fair, the only insurgent was a flat-out self-declared socialist who looks like he sleeps in a dumpster every night.

That said, heads up polls versus Trump, he was always ahead of the completely uninspiring and incompetent candidate Hillary, the worst candidate fielded by a major party in Presidential history.

Incidentally, that's not an opinion, it's objective fact, and is proven by the fact that despite spending more on a political campaign than any candidate in history, well over a BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS[*], she somehow lost to the second worst candidate in Presidential history, who spent practically nothing, because the media did all his campaigning for him by incompetently vilifying him. This also involves completely blowing an early lead through a series of catastrophic blunders unparalleled in history.

Anyone in the party who babbles about soggy knees, cartoon frogs, and other bullshit should be hung, drawn and quartered. I'd say castrated, too, but that's obviously already happened.

[*] And because I sometimes rant and exaggerate things, I'll point out the actual amount, and yes, it is more than any other political campaign in history, was $1.2 billion. Source: https://nypost.com/2016/12/09/hillary-clintons-losing-campaign-cost-a-record-1-2b/
 

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Although if you happen to be on the left the way I am, it starts to feel a little more ominous when you consider that maybe the reason we now have a president you didn't want is due in no small part to the adoption by enough thought leaders of the socjus attitude that we can just pitch a shitty candidate and call people damning names like "misogynist" and "alt-right" when they criticize her, instead of actually fielding a good candidate.

I know most of these raving loons command no power from their parents' mcmansions but when enough of them won't shut up, they start to look like a profitable demographic to the people who do have the power to make shitty decisions. So ultimately, I do believe all these youtube warriors are a problem.
Exaclty! But the scary part is outside of "youtube" when the mainstream media blatantly sides with those narratives due fear of not behaving PC enough and be accused of racism or biggotry, propagating regressive ideas like cancer, effectively hurting everything that once was truly progressive.
 

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SJW is a bit of a catch all terms for posturing idiots on the left, it started on the left to critique people on the team who where genrally poisonous and unpleasent but has entered common parlance and is bordering on a right wing snarl word due the point of meaningless rhetoric. but the disintction between an SJW and say what's going on in Academic Femminism is that Femminists have some meaningful conviction, rationale and internal consistancy, it's still total bullshit but it's bullshit which is at least spouted by someone whose read a book or two. Their are people who blur the lines for example Anita Serkisian (who apparantly has a MA degree but writes like a four year old), but I think of the differance as to compare a Thomas Aquinas vs the duck hunt guys. Wrong vs exceptional.
Plus, a Hardline Communist will look at things from a purely economic standpoint, seizing the means of production and all that, and believe that equality will come when the wealth is distributed evenly. Hardline feminists read books and write stuff which is mostly bullshit but at least they have a degree of integrity.

SJWs are the sorts that have bizarre notions that recognising the 58 genders, 9 million sexualities and telling White People to stop wearing dreadlocks will somehow lead to some bright future where everyone lives in la la land.

Plus, SJWs are funny to hear rant, communists are dull and academic feminists are coma inducing.
 

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im one the few that think of skeptics as lolcows i dont think discussing them losing views warrants a deep thoughts thread if it was about whether their sensationalist way of mixing politics with entertainment is hurting discourse in the long run or about them becoming eerily cult like then yeah i dont really think of them as awful enough for their downfall to constitute a great complex discussion
 

KillaClown1488

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Anti sjw stuff is probably on borrowed time the moment trump was elected unless he turns out to be an good leader since you're now effectively defending a douchey status quo.
Your understanding of history, society and politics is so fucking puerile. Fucking unirionic Fukuyamaists who never even read the guy's book are the worst.
 

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In 30 years idiots like Sargon are gonna look like those dumbasses who thought comic books were turning kids gay. Every generation has its version of cultural reaction. Ours just happens to be internet based and shrouded in irony and dishonest as fuck memery. Realistically the issues most of these "anti-sjw" people care about are completely meaningless. They are literally people complaining about people complaining about video game boobs and shit.

It's not so much that either party is defending a douchey status quo as they're both ignoring the status quo altogether and screetching about total horseshit.
 

Sprig of Parsley

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Thoughts.

While SJWs are a group in need of someone or multiple someones to kick them back under their rocks, the idea of an anti-SJW movement is actually exceptional. Anti-anything as a movement is exceptional. If you are "anti" something your ideology or movement or whatever is being framed in context with what you are "anti" and little else. It might not BE that limited, but with a simple verbal bit of dumb fuckery you've allowed a shrewd opponent to corral you and even dictate to you. Your movement makes no sense without the context of the SJW menace looming, and it operates only within the same parameters the SJWs do. It makes more sense to make being "anti-SJW" a single plank in a much more robust platform, but small minds like Carl can't really think outside the playing field the SJWs have laid out anyway so I guess it serves for his purposes. But then you get into the borderline-cryptic nature of the title Social Justice Warrior and you realize that being anti- this thing says as little about you as SJW does about them. To anyone not intimately familiar with the cache that SJW has, you're spouting gobbledygook. Might as well call yourself anti-skub. You need to use real words for your planks. Anti-authoritarian, for example. Admittedly, a number of people have no idea what authoritarian means and some can't even fucking spell it but you're now closer to something that both makes sense and is properly descriptive.

Veering back to Sargon himself - while I believe people should be free to say dumb shit wherever, more or less, I can't envision many worse representatives for much of anything he claims to espouse. Skepticism, sociopolitical crap like anti-feminism or anti-SJWism, I mean fuck sake I wouldn't want the man to represent much of anything that was close to my heart. EDIT: I still remember how badly he got schooled by that one chick and how much of a wash his little tete-a-tete with DesTiny was.
 
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Thoughts.

While SJWs are a group in need of someone or multiple someones to kick them back under their rocks, the idea of an anti-SJW movement is actually exceptional. Anti-anything as a movement is exceptional. If you are "anti" something your ideology or movement or whatever is being framed in context with what you are "anti" and little else. It might not BE that limited, but with a simple verbal bit of dumb fuckery you've allowed a shrewd opponent to corral you and even dictate to you. Your movement makes no sense without the context of the SJW menace looming, and it operates only within the same parameters the SJWs do. It makes more sense to make being "anti-SJW" a single plank in a much more robust platform, but small minds like Carl can't really think outside the playing field the SJWs have laid out anyway so I guess it serves for his purposes. But then you get into the borderline-cryptic nature of the title Social Justice Warrior and you realize that being anti- this thing says as little about you as SJW does about them. To anyone not intimately familiar with the cache that SJW has, you're spouting gobbledygook. Might as well call yourself anti-skub. You need to use real words for your planks. Anti-authoritarian, for example. Admittedly, a number of people have no idea what authoritarian means and some can't even fucking spell it but you're now closer to something that both makes sense and is properly descriptive.

Veering back to Sargon himself - while I believe people should be free to say dumb shit wherever, more or less, I can't envision many worse representatives for much of anything he claims to espouse. Skepticism, sociopolitical crap like anti-feminism or anti-SJWism, I mean fuck sake I wouldn't want the man to represent much of anything that was close to my heart. EDIT: I still remember how badly he got schooled by that one chick and how much of a wash his little tete-a-tete with DesTiny was.
That's why you're supposed to be bold enough to set your own agenda. Setting yourself in opposition to anything is bad for exactly the reason that you explained, it sacrifices the initiative. Instead of being free to strike out with new ideas you're going to be playing catch up the entire time.
 

Sprig of Parsley

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That's why you're supposed to be bold enough to set your own agenda. Setting yourself in opposition to anything is bad for exactly the reason that you explained, it sacrifices the initiative. Instead of being free to strike out with new ideas you're going to be playing catch up the entire time.
The only time you should be playing the reactive, defensive game is if you've basically already attained a kind of hegemony, there's nowhere further "up" to go and you're satisfied with defending what you have. This, of course, almost never happens to be the case.
 

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Might as well call yourself anti-skub.
I fucking knew it as soon as I started reading your comment. Why won't you pro-skubbies get off your high horses and admit that you're the problem that's ruining the fun on the internet?

As for Sargon, he actually tried to do what you describe here and start a political thing called the liberalists. Except it all became too much work and it seemed easier for him to latch onto an existing party and help them crash faster.

I think all the anti-SJW stuff was a healthy backlash and the still developing anti-anti-SJW backlash is similarly healthy, because people are starting to find out that many of the champions are about as dirty as the people they criticized (and almost as incapable at dealing with criticism).
 

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SocJus isn't limited to a bunch of fat chicks on the internet. You have the entertainment industry, academia, a fuckton of politicians, etc. You don't need to look far to see people still going on about how anyone with pale skin or men in general are automatically right-wing idiots who are also the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. Things haven't changed that much yet.
This plus the mainstream "news" media and the giant tech companies.
A domination so inaffective they've not only totally failed to achieve anything but are now an active liability to left wing politics. One so inherantly flawed it self-destructs on it's own, That a shitty youber can poke holes in it and be genrally on point.
Also as a tangent SJW are distinct from say a communist or a hardline femminist. The terms just get used interchaingably for rhetoric.
SJW is a bit of a catch all terms for posturing idiots on the left, it started on the left to critique people on the team who where genrally poisonous and unpleasent but has entered common parlance and is bordering on a right wing snarl word due the point of meaningless rhetoric. but the disintction between an SJW and say what's going on in Academic Femminism is that Femminists have some meaningful conviction, rationale and internal consistancy, it's still total bullshit but it's bullshit which is at least spouted by someone whose read a book or two. Their are people who blur the lines for example Anita Serkisian (who apparantly has a MA degree but writes like a four year old), but I think of the differance as to compare a Thomas Aquinas vs the duck hunt guys. Wrong vs exceptional.

Largely because it's crumbling and irrelivant anyway, it. Railing against say AIDS Skrillex or some 14 years old trans fetish disguised as civil rights when Theresa may is erroding internet civil liberties is a pretty absurd when you think on it.
I know this is two years old, but they've had some success with the '18 election. Maybe it's a "chicken or the egg" scenario, did Trump create far leftists, or did far leftists create Trump? I think far leftism has been on a slow boil for decades. They've even said radicalization would take generations.

You would think for all it's flaws it wouldn't be as mainstream as is it. Unfortunately, entertainment, academia, news, and tech feed into each other. It doesn't help that as our world grows smaller, American values (speaking as an American) are seen as unnecessary or even a hinderance to corporate expansion. If politicians are eroding internet civil liberties, it's the dummies like AIDS Skrillex and all the other internet SJWs that are pawns in their fight.
The only time you should be playing the reactive, defensive game is if you've basically already attained a kind of hegemony, there's nowhere further "up" to go and you're satisfied with defending what you have. This, of course, almost never happens to be the case.
I would say the far left wanting to dismantle western civilization is a good time to become reactive and defensive.

I hope this doesn't come off sounding conspiratorial. I'm really not an Alex Jones troll account, I swear.
 
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