TERFs freak out over Jonathan Yaniv - featuring /r/gendercritical

[wabbits]

Defending women's restrooms is the only viable strategy for defending women's shelters and prisons - facilities where women can't opt out by peeing elsewhere and where they must close their eyes and sleep no matter who the government has dictated is free to do anything they please to the women's bodies and souls, pending an official "oopsy" that has no power to undo the harm or the injustice.

That women fought to have sex-segregated washrooms so that they, like men, were free to go out in public for more than a few hours at a time shouldn't be forgotten. To use the existing washrooms then meant that men (#notallmen) would prey upon them. A century later, we're returning to that equation: Women are to be prey, not people.

No TERF would recognize me as a TERF, but even I can see and acknowledge these facts.

Edit: Rhys McKinnon's now done me the favor of referring to the women he cheats out of sports achievements as his "prey."

 

[2nd_time_user]

Defending women's restrooms is the only viable strategy for defending women's shelters and prisons - facilities where women can't opt out by peeing elsewhere and where they must close their eyes and sleep no matter who the government has dictated is free to do anything they please to the women's bodies and souls, pending an official "oopsy" that has no power to undo the harm or the injustice.

That women fought to have sex-segregated washrooms so that they, like men, were free to go out in public for more than a few hours at a time shouldn't be forgotten. To use the existing washrooms then meant that men (#notallmen) would prey upon them. A century later, we're returning to that equation: Women are to be prey, not people.

No TERF would recognize me as a TERF, but even I can see and acknowledge these facts.

Last year, someone commented that Jon's racism would cause more problems for him than his pedo tendencies, which would in turn cause more problems than him suing the women. That proved correct.

If JY had kept it to the women, hell if he just shut up for a few months, he'd still have the pub ban, Morgane Oger's support, and probably by now thousands of dollars. He probably would be employed in tech still, and after winning the suits would be set up to make a minor political run or become appointed to some LGBTQ+ advisory committee.

MTFs have been saying "we're not ALL like that" but in fact the TWAW they've been pushing IS like that. If transwomen are women, if all women should get the same access to all services, then in fact it is discriminatory to turn down a transwoman who has balls.

 

[AvantGardener]

I completely understand this, as well as the argument that the bathrooms are a slippery slope that has already started. But if they're in the same bathroom as you and you both do your business and then leave, interaction is minimal.

Lovely. That doesn't stop women traumatised by (rapey) men feeling upset though. And that's more women than you'd think. And it doesn't stop perverts like Yaniv from photographing either.

 

[wabbits]

I think there's something else being destroyed by the bathroom breaches. I worked in a mall eatery when I was in high school and watched several times as women fleeing men they were arguing with - or who were afraid men were following them around - took refuge in the women's restroom down a hall across from the counter I worked.

The men would just stop at the door. Stop dead in their tracks. They might go on yelling at the woman or get another woman to go in and tell her to come out, but they would not try to go in. If they had gone in, no one who saw them would have hesitated to scream for security.

The troons are knocking down that psycho-social barrier, both for men who want to dominate some woman no matter what and for women who would immediately know seeing a man in a woman's room was a security matter. That's not accidental, of course. Troons are very much about dominating women and thwarting women's deeply ingrained protective instincts.

 

[AnOminous]

The troons are knocking down that psycho-social barrier, both for men who want to dominate some woman no matter what and for women who would immediately know seeing a man in a woman's room was a security matter. That's not accidental, of course. Troons are very much about dominating women and thwarting women's deeply ingrained protective instincts.

And if the abusive man just barges in, and gets called out on it, he can just claim to be a troon, you don't need to have any fucking signifier of gender whatsoever. Just be a completely normal dude with a beard in men's clothes and say you're a woman.

 

[Avalonsfury]

What's really frustrating at the moment is all you are seeing from the Trans community is how this effects Trans Rights, not once (besides Blaire White) have any of them included in their statements That what Yaniv did violated these womans rights. That Yaniv sexually harassed these woman. For a group that is claiming an alliance with woman or that they are woman, they are completely ignoring the woman who were victimized by this mess.

 

[PonelessBizza]

What's really frustrating at the moment is all you are seeing from the Trans community is how this effects Trans Rights, not once (besides Blaire White) have any of them included in their statements That what Yaniv did violated these womans rights. That Yaniv sexually harassed these woman. For a group that is claiming an alliance with woman or that they are woman, they are completely ignoring the woman who were victimized by this mess.

Johni boi is the violation

 

[2nd_time_user]

I have said this since 2015:

If males going into the women's becomes a thing to the point of males being in the women's is OK or the troons in there getting personal, I will also assume my Richie Incognito-appearing BF is OK too. I would imagine many dads especially would feel the same about their daughters.

But if it's an occasional troon (as statistically it should be) just washing his hands and getting out like everyone, there's minimal interaction. They cannot expect cameraderie or friendship in there. Women in fact fisheye/grimace momentarily at each other all the time, and it is always brushed off. I'm not in the bathroom to provide validation.

I hate having to have them in there at all, but if they get in and get out like normal people, that's at least feasible.

 

[wabbits]

But they've been getting in and getting out for years - according to them. So now they come dissembling to ensure there will be no consequences - not even an insult - for those who do not pass or do not behave themselves or both.

 

[TheBlackVolga]

But if it's an occasional troon (as statistically it should be) just washing his hands and getting out like everyone, there's minimal interaction.

"Interaction" is not the issue. The issue is the presence of men in women's private spaces, like bathrooms and changing rooms.

 

[Avalonsfury]

I think that just maybe the spectacle that the community made in Toronto last night at Meghan Murphy's speech may have shed some light on how harmful the group can be. They protested calling her a Transphobe and a bigot and a couple of news sources this morning are saying that the only ones at the event last night that showed bigotry were the protesters:

LEVY: The intolerant radicals and their Meghan Murphy circus

The irony would probably be lost on the angry mob of radicals, but the circus they created Tuesday night around the 45-minute appearance of controversial feminist Meghan Murphy made them come acros…

torontosun.com

Chris Selley: Attack on public libraries for letting Meghan Murphy speak is a nauseating spectacle

It boggles the mind that so many people now want government agencies to pick and choose what ‘deserves a platform’ and what doesn’t

nationalpost.com

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Old but interesting. Meghan Murphy is interviewed by Brendan O'Neill, the only sensible man in Britain.

 

[TheBlackVolga]

Liberals, as a group, are the most intolerant people I know.

 

[pr3nt177]

What's really frustrating at the moment is all you are seeing from the Trans community is how this effects Trans Rights, not once (besides Blaire White) have any of them included in their statements That what Yaniv did violated these womans rights. That Yaniv sexually harassed these woman. For a group that is claiming an alliance with woman or that they are woman, they are completely ignoring the woman who were victimized by this mess.

I doubt very much they see it in any way as harassment and/or violating women's rights. They see themselves as victims.

 

[Iron Hamster]

I think there's something else being destroyed by the bathroom breaches. I worked in a mall eatery when I was in high school and watched several times as women fleeing men they were arguing with - or who were afraid men were following them around - took refuge in the women's restroom down a hall across from the counter I worked.

The men would just stop at the door. Stop dead in their tracks. They might go on yelling at the woman or get another woman to go in and tell her to come out, but they would not try to go in. If they had gone in, no one who saw them would have hesitated to scream for security.

The troons are knocking down that psycho-social barrier, both for men who want to dominate some woman no matter what and for women who would immediately know seeing a man in a woman's room was a security matter. That's not accidental, of course. Troons are very much about dominating women and thwarting women's deeply ingrained protective instincts.

Though it does give a man who wants to protect the real female the chance to proclaim he's identifying as a female also so he can go in and make sure nothing happens. I mean, an innocent troon would have no issue with that right?

 

[Fraw Perchta]

This falls more under the category of "Jonathan Yaniv freaks out over TERFs" (potentially), but do the first and second voicemail in this video sound familiar to anyone?

https://youtu.be/IH6sSUBOrHQ?t=568

 

[Second Hand Syringe]

This falls more under the category of "Jonathan Yaniv freaks out over TERFs" (potentially), but do the first and second voicemail in this video sound familiar to anyone?

https://youtu.be/IH6sSUBOrHQ?t=568

JY always sounds like a flaming homosexual. Do they have vocal cord surgery for trannies?

 

[ProtonMailMan]

I agree with their talking points, especially when articulated by someone like Megan Murphy who was all over Yaniv early on.

It's when they begin to reeeeee how every man is a rapist, abuser, piece of shit, act like lesbian "nice girls", shit all over straight women for dating men instead of becoming celibate and deem all straight sex as rape that they lose me.

This.

Times one hundred million.

Radical feminists would not recognize a male "ally" if one crawled up their asses and exploded.....

They want to take your porn.

What?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Old Wizard]

Radical feminists would not recognize a male "ally" if one crawled up their asses and exploded.....

I can kind of understand why given how many self-proclaimed "male feminists" cows here are outed as sex pests.
Sidenote- I wonder how many "this never happens" maniacs like Yaniv will need to happen before people admit that men being given unquestioned access to vulnerable women (in prisons, in bathrooms, in homeless shelters, locker rooms, showers, etc.) will inevitably attract predators. I hear many "no predator would go THAT far" (usually in reference to social transition and GRS) from people who have absolutely no clue how deranged and twisted predators are.

any woman who thinks that the sexes have some differences that means that they need certain places and facilities separate, and that biology exists is a tERF now. That means that everyone on the planet who believes in reality over insane Troon feelings is a TERF. I’m a TERF, you’re a TERF too. We are all TERFs. Reality is a TERF.

Not to get political, but it's crazy how the "women's rights" party is so willing to call women hysterical and cancel them for being afraid of men like Yaniv. It's not surprising that Breadtube is full of men and MTFs, given how hostile they are to women.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

JY always sounds like a flaming homosexual. Do they have vocal cord surgery for trannies?

I doubt it's covered by Canuk Health