The Carnivore diet and anti-veganism -

[SigSauer]

Is it really safe to go raw carnivore? Well, our ancestors did that thousands of years ago. The science seems to be supporting it. Tell me what you think. Also, see related videos. The first one sv3rige did a review of that you can find, but I just feel like posting the original episode

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Raw carnivores are just the mirror image of Vegans. Our ancestors also drilled holes in their heads and shat in their drinking water thousands of years ago, and neither of those things were healthy either.

 

[SigSauer]

Raw carnivores are just the mirror image of Vegans. Our ancestors also drilled holes in their heads and shat in their drinking water thousands of years ago, and neither of those things were healthy either.

Apples to oranges. You’re missing the entire point of the argument. It’s that vegans claim that humans can’t eat meat because raw meat carries bacteria and parasites whereas the raw meat crowd says that people not only ate raw meat back in the paleolithic days (and still do), but it’s also healthier for your body and easier to digest.

 

[Letora]

Raw carnivores are definitely the extremists on the other end of the food spectrum from raw vegans.

I remember reading a thread on Reddit recently on some carnivore/zerocarb forum about some guy who got a horrible infection, usually found from raw chicken, from under-cooking ground beef.

All I thought was, why the fuck are you under-cooking ground beef? It's not a steak, it's fucking pink slime, cook it properly JFC. He probably thought it was healthier "cooked the absolute minimum."

Apples to oranges. You’re missing the entire point of the argument. It’s that vegans claim that humans can’t eat meat because raw meat carries bacteria and parasites whereas the raw meat crowd says that people not only ate raw meat back in the paleolithic days (and still do), but it’s also healthier for your body and easier to digest.

That argument about bacteria and parasites is dumb considering that you can get bacterial infections like E. Coli and Hepatitis A from salad and green onions.

Outbreak of E. coli Infections Linked to Romaine Lettuce | E.coli Infections | November 2019 | E. coli | CDC

Outbreak of E. coli Infections Linked to Romaine Lettuce

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Hepatitis A Outbreak Associated with Green Onions at a Restaurant --- Monaca, Pennsylvania, 2003

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Apples to oranges. You’re missing the entire point of the argument. It’s that vegans claim that humans can’t eat meat because raw meat carries bacteria and parasites whereas the raw meat crowd says that people not only ate raw meat back in the paleolithic days (and still do), but it’s also healthier for your body and easier to digest.

That's literally not true, though. The entire point of cooking is that it breaks down hard and complex proteins in the meat into simpler forms which are easier and more energy-efficient to digest. If you overcook something, it's hard on the stomach because you evaporate the lipids and water and turn the whole thing into tack, but that doesn't mean that raw food is safer or better for you.
This is like the claim anarcho-primitivists like to throw out that, contrary to literally all evidence, hunter-gatherers were taller, healthier, more intelligent, and lived longer than modern man. People can say all kinds of shit but that doesn't mean it's true.

 

[crocodilian]

An ideal diet is dense in antioxidants, phytochemicals, phytosterols, fiber, flavonoids, enzymes, prebiotics and probiotics, essential fats, proteins, vitamins and minerals. More than half of those things won't appear if you solely eat meat. You (unsurprisingly) need a balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, nuts and protein to obtain a picturesque spread of that list. Minimal (meaning "absolutely no", if possible) processed foods, simple carbs or sugar bombs. Then move around a lot, i.e. outdoors work or modest daily exercise.

Even I don't solely eat meat, so I can't figure out how these people convinced themselves gnawing on raw boucherie items will make them live longer.

 

[Revo]

The consume of raw meat is a great danger and it can produce intoxication alimentary,because they contains bacteria and you don't have a clue if the raw meat is infected or not with bugs/fecal material /dubious chemical substances.

 

[Arcturus]

Hey. Isn't sv3rige that one faggot that practices "sun gazing" where he just stares at the sun? I'm pretty sure that's him. No thanks on anything he says.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

As exceptional as raw vegans are, carnivore dieters are more exceptional. It is possible (though difficult) to get most of the required vitamins and minerals from a purely plant-based diet, but with a diet comprised solely of animal products, you are going to be lacking: vitamin C, vitamin E, calcium (if you don't supplement the diet with dairy), folate, manganese, and magnesium at the very least. If you don't include organ meats in the diet (such as liver or kidneys), this list could be even longer.

It is a fad, if you ask me, and as far as "the science" is concerned: I know of no long-term studies which have led to the recommendation of such a diet, let alone dispel the concerns it raises about long-term health consequences.

 

[Groyper]

Raw foodism is silly, but from the standpoint of personal health, carnivorous diets are plainly supreme by any objective evaluation.

As exceptional as raw vegans are, carnivore dieters are more exceptional. It is possible (though difficult) to get most of the required vitamins and minerals from a purely plant-based diet, but with a diet comprised solely of animal products, you are going to be lacking: vitamin C, vitamin E, calcium (if you don't supplement the diet with dairy), folate, manganese, and magnesium at the very least. If you don't include organ meats in the diet (such as liver or kidneys), this list could be even longer.

It is a fad, if you ask me, and as far as "the science" is concerned: I know of no long-term studies which have led to the recommendation of such a diet, let alone dispel the concerns it raises about long-term health consequences.

Bullshit.

You're conflating a carnivorous diet with a muscle meat diet, which is what modern people regard as "meat". No one serious about nutrition is advocating only consumption of store-bought muscle meat, so this is a straw man.

If you consume eggs, organ meats, bone marrow (delicious, by the way) or broth, you will very easily obtain all the nutrition you need in much higher quantities and in a much more biovailable form than on any plant-based diet, without any of the anti-nutrients, phyto-estrogens or other toxic shit you get with plants, which are engaging in chemical warfare to deter you from eating them.

It is a common misconception that meat is devoid of vitamin C (even most so-called professional nutritionists think this). In fact, fresh meat has plenty of vitamin C, even the muscle. Sailors suffered scurvy because they only had access to preserved (processed) meats.

Benefits of carnivorous diets:

• never developing type-II diabetes
• stable blood sugar, ergo more stable energy levels (no cravings; no post-meal energy crash or "niggeritis"/"food coma")
• cleaner teeth
• fewer allergies
• nutritional density that can't be matched by plants

Drawbacks:

• more expensive/probably impossible to sustain with current over-population (more reason to cull 3rd world pop.)
• ?

 

[melty]

I think it's fine to eat some raw meat and I do it a lot. Sashimi, steak tartare, Bleu steak, anything cooked rare if the restaurant isn't sketch. Which is really key. I don't buy ground beef at Costco and just eat it straight.
I don't really know if it's better nutritionally, I just find it enjoyable and it seems "right" to me.

Eating mostly meat or whatever Jordan Peterson is doing is obviously really stupid though, pretty much all available evidence shows that eating more vegetables is a good idea

 

[crocodilian]

Raw foodism is silly, but from the standpoint of personal health, carnivorous diets are plainly supreme by any objective evaluation.


Bullshit.

You're conflating a carnivorous diet with a muscle meat diet, which is what modern people regard as "meat". No one serious about nutrition is advocating only consumption of store-bought muscle meat, so this is a straw man.

If you consume eggs, organ meats, bone marrow (delicious, by the way) or broth, you will very easily obtain all the nutrition you need in much higher quantities and in a much more biovailable form than on any plant-based diet, without any of the anti-nutrients, phyto-estrogens or other toxic shit you get with plants, which are engaging in chemical warfare to deter you from eating them.

It is a common misconception that meat is devoid of vitamin C (even most so-called professional nutritionists think this). In fact, fresh meat has plenty of vitamin C, even the muscle. Sailors suffered scurvy because they only had access to preserved (processed) meats.

Benefits of carnivorous diets:

• never developing type-II diabetes
• stable blood sugar, ergo more stable energy levels (no cravings; no post-meal energy crash or "niggeritis"/"food coma")
• cleaner teeth
• fewer allergies
• nutritional density that can't be matched by plants

Drawbacks:

• more expensive/probably impossible to sustain with current over-population (more reason to cull 3rd world pop.)
• ?

How are you going to get adequate amounts of phytochemicals, inulin, oligosaccharides, arabinogalactans, fiber and so on from a meat-majority diet?

I reiterate I'm not advocating veganism or vegetarianism, but it's demonstrably true that a majority-plant diet is very good for you. You need a balanced diet. Eating solely meat is an express ticket to constipation city and the spectrum of heart disease.

 

[Harnessed Carcass]

The consume of raw meat is a great danger and it can produce intoxication alimentary, because they contains bacteria and you don't have a clue if the raw meat is infected or not with bugs/fecal material /dubious chemical substances.

This. Most red meats build up bacteria around room temperature or more that can cause serious damage. You can kill all of these and keep the meat raw and 'juicy' on the inside as cooking the meat kills these harmful bacteria in the process. I'm sure you could chase your own tail and avoid these potentially-dangerous bacteria but fuck that gambit, buy a fucking stove already.

 

[Harnessed Carcass]

I think it's fine to eat some raw meat and I do it a lot. Sashimi, steak tartare, Bleu steak, anything cooked rare if the restaurant isn't sketch. Which is really key. I don't buy ground beef at Costco and just eat it straight.
I don't really know if it's better nutritionally, I just find it enjoyable and it seems "right" to me.

Eating mostly meat or whatever Jordan Peterson is doing is obviously really stupid though, pretty much all available evidence shows that eating more vegetables is a good idea

rare =/= raw my friend, especially with red meats.

 

[Strange Rope Hero]

Don't trannies avoid meat to further feminize themselves?
You can't really call yourself a vegan, and a man.

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[Feline Supremacist]

Raw foodism is silly, but from the standpoint of personal health, carnivorous diets are plainly supreme by any objective evaluation.


Bullshit.

You're conflating a carnivorous diet with a muscle meat diet, which is what modern people regard as "meat". No one serious about nutrition is advocating only consumption of store-bought muscle meat, so this is a straw man.

If you consume eggs, organ meats, bone marrow (delicious, by the way) or broth, you will very easily obtain all the nutrition you need in much higher quantities and in a much more biovailable form than on any plant-based diet, without any of the anti-nutrients, phyto-estrogens or other toxic shit you get with plants, which are engaging in chemical warfare to deter you from eating them.

It is a common misconception that meat is devoid of vitamin C (even most so-called professional nutritionists think this). In fact, fresh meat has plenty of vitamin C, even the muscle. Sailors suffered scurvy because they only had access to preserved (processed) meats.

Benefits of carnivorous diets:

• never developing type-II diabetes
• stable blood sugar, ergo more stable energy levels (no cravings; no post-meal energy crash or "niggeritis"/"food coma")
• cleaner teeth
• fewer allergies
• nutritional density that can't be matched by plants

Drawbacks:

• more expensive/probably impossible to sustain with current over-population (more reason to cull 3rd world pop.)
• ?

This is about raw meat, not meat itself (which is delicious, I wish I could snack on filet mignon all day long).

 

[Stoneheart]

The consume of raw meat is a great danger and it can produce intoxication alimentary,because they contains bacteria and you don't have a clue if the raw meat is infected or not with bugs/fecal material /dubious chemical substances.

Are you from the 3rd world?

How are you going to get adequate amounts of phytochemicals, inulin, oligosaccharides, arabinogalactans, fiber and so on from a meat-majority diet?

You dont need those.

This is about raw meat, not meat itself (which is delicious, I wish I could snack on filet mignon all day long).

there is nothing wrong with mett, its the best snack you can have.

 

[Groyper]

How are you going to get adequate amounts of phytochemicals, inulin, oligosaccharides, arabinogalactans, fiber and so on from a meat-majority diet?

I reiterate I'm not advocating veganism or vegetarianism, but it's demonstrably true that a majority-plant diet is very good for you. You need a balanced diet. Eating solely meat is an express ticket to constipation city and the spectrum of heart disease.

I won't, and I don't need to because there is no evidence that such things are beneficial to human health.

The study you reference is an observational one and therefore dog shit. Okinawans owe their longevity to their genetics, not their diet. Neoteny, longevity, and intelligence are all positively correlated: You can put Sub-Saharan Africans on any diet you like and they will still die earlier, on average, than a population of chain-smoking Northeast Asians.

 

[crocodilian]

You dont need those.

We aren't talking about strict necessities. You can eat nothing but seals and survive (although Inuits don't eat just that themselves.) The people OP describes are trying to claim that a majority-meat diet is somehow optimal, which I can't find any evidence of being true.

Okinawans owe their longevity to their genetics, not their diet.

Science doesn't support that claim. If you don't want to go over the entire study, this article summarizes it best: a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle will very frequently trump genetic disposition. There's a reason you're told to emphasize certain elements of this if your family has a history of, for example, heart disease.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

How are you going to get adequate amounts of phytochemicals, inulin, oligosaccharides, arabinogalactans, fiber and so on from a meat-majority diet?

I reiterate I'm not advocating veganism or vegetarianism, but it's demonstrably true that a majority-plant diet is very good for you. You need a balanced diet. Eating solely meat is an express ticket to constipation city and the spectrum of heart disease.

I'd estimate about 15% of "carnivore diet" advocates aren't interested in diet at all and advocate it entirely because they think it's somehow "triggering" and "owning" the Left/environmentalists (both of whom are correlated with vegetarianism/veganism).

You dont need those.

I won't, and I don't need to because there is no evidence that such things are beneficial to human health.

Firstly, yes, you don't "need" those. You also don't "need" your appendix, both eyes, both ears, both kidneys, or a functional nasal passage either, but I somehow doubt you'd advocate the removal of any of that from your bodies. As someone who's gone for periods with no fiber in my diet; your bowel movements, on a good day, are going to just be painful. On a bad day it's going to feel like you're shitting out razor blades.
Secondly: you are full of shit (probably literally, due to the constipation) if you want to deny the known benefits that fiber, at the very least, has for your digestive system.