The End of Forgivness - Your Death Will Not Save You

[CheezzyMach]

I think OP you're a little optimistic about the old guard such as the religious right being able to forgive; anyone who lived in Ireland during the Free-State era up until the fall of the Catholic Church in the early 90's can tell you that the authorities were anything but forgiving for perceived "sins". Institutions such as the Magdalene Laundries where girls were sent for sins including being too pretty, being sighted near boys and having a single mother for a parent went on to serve their entire lives in unpaid slave labor because they were "fallen women" beyond forgiveness and redemption. This wasn't a late Irish Catholic novelty, but historically something that existed across the globe in states where the Catholic faith was ascendant.

That's merely my favourite example, but a cursory look at European history shows that forgiveness is only a virtue to a group while it isn't the dominant force. The Early Church was relatively pacifistic until it gained power, as were the Protestants until they gained the upper hand over previous authorities. It goes for secular states and organizations as well, the French middle classes suddenly realized in the late 18th century they could harness the lower classes like a sledgehammer to crush their social betters.

I don't agree with everything Nietzche said, but his description of slave morality comes to mind here. Forgiveness is a virtue for the oppressed, and not the oppressor. We are now in an age where both the Radical far right and left command authority over states or significant enough numbers of people forgiveness, a form of compromise, no longer needs to be considered within their echo chambers. It will resurge when one side falls and becomes set upon by the victor and they suddenly realise it's actually beneficial to them once again.

As an American I can say that when the Religious Right had power here in the late 20th century they wielded it like a sledgehammer just like the SocJus tards on the Left do now and were just as happy to cancel people they didn't like.

 

[Clop]

I forgive OP for being a faggot

 

[Dom Cruise]

What if this is what the Bible was talking about when it talked about the Antichrist?

Christ was big on forgiveness so what else would you call people that have no concept of forgiveness?

I'm just sayin'

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Pot? Meet kettle.
Kettle? Pot.

It was a counter-example. Many groups across the spectrum share this failure mode. I was just directly addressing his point.

 

[ES 195]

I don't think religion, forgiveness, beliefs and other things you were talking about are genuinely mutual. As far as I'm aware of "witches" and "satan worshipers" were never given the option for forgiveness. I think it's more that in the yester-years people believed the world was different shades of gray and not black and white.

The wackos on twitter have been speaking silly hyperbole for so long they see the world in extremes, everyone is either Jesus or Satan. You're either with them or on the wrong side of history and are literally Hitler. They don't believe in forgiveness for their enemies because their enemies are unable to change and until someone with higher respect and authority than them tells them to forgive.
Never apologize to them since it will be weaponized but apologize to those not in the crazy camp and always work towards being a better person. Don't let the evil of others poison the soil you grow in or whatever.

Spoiler: Forgiveness Question

Here's a weird thought I had awhile ago.

God appears and announces he will finally destroy Satan. He will make him cease to exists and all evil with it. Lucifer then appears and says he is sorry and begs for forgiveness. Should Lucifer be forgiven?
In this hypothetical, Lucifer is the cause of all evil, every rape, murder, sinful thought, etc.
Let's say he comes out and asks for forgiveness and all evil just ceases to exist. The world just becomes Utopian again. Do you forgive him earnestly or just so he doesn't go back to being evil for being scorned. Do we ask God to vanquish him forever so as he never relapses? What if humanity goes on to survive for another 5 million years, does the 20,000 or so years humanity was tortured matter in the grand scheme of things?

 

[AnOminous]

That's merely my favourite example, but a cursory look at European history shows that forgiveness is only a virtue to a group while it isn't the dominant force.

I'd say the contrary. Forgiveness is only a virtue for the strong, because it implies the choice between forgiveness and revenge.

If you don't have that choice, there is no virtue in merely being too weak to take revenge.

 

[JM 590]

The only things I'm really afraid of with the woke brigade are how they tend to go after people's jobs and family members over the smallest of slights, putting your real name out there and associating it with all kinds of slander, for any potential employer to find from a quick Google search. If I call the wrong person a faggot under a name that can get back to me, I can not only get banned and lose access to the platform in which we were on, but that could be saved and found by anyone any time I'm job hunting - which is hard enough already, considering I'm not too keen on taking out another five-figure loan to try for a bachelor's degree.

But there really is a huge silent majority that hates this shit, just look at how popular Dave Chappelle's new special is. The people running those businesses might hate the woke brigade too, but the crazies do tend to have psychotic, dominant personalities that gravitate towards positions of power, like with HR, so they can shape the world as they see fit. Combine that with how skittish so many businesses are, afraid of offending anyone, and you get this mess where the slightest bit of levity can get you in huge trouble. The law of the land is determined by whomever is most capable of destroying everyone, and our natural preservation instincts keep most people from standing up against that tyranny. Sure, you and I might have the courage and knowledge to stand up against tyranny, but when we have no leverage in the company and no other employees want to stand with us for fear of losing our jobs, we just look like paper tigers. Paper tigers that could be replaced with much more docile employees, willing to take whatever crap gets thrown their way. And with the USA's ever-increasing population, there's always some other slack-jawed faggot willing to take your place for less than what you're making.

I think it'll pass sooner rather than later. That infamous Gillette ad which lost the company EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS happened because some rétarded marketing executive genuinely thought that was a good idea. Woke culture has infiltrated all sorts of businesses everywhere, with a smattering of maniacs getting hired to make ads, and those maniacs make ads targeted at their own niche communities, thinking they can piggyback on whatever products they're selling to push their loaded ideology on the rest of the world. It sort of worked as they introduced it slowly over the past couple of decades, but their spaghetti flew out of their pockets as soon as Trump ran for president, which set forth an enormous shockwave of unbridled insanity before he was even elected. Even when it looked like he would lose, those maniacs still couldn't stop talking about what a bad president he would be. Like him or hate him, Trump really has been a major catalyst to get those maniacs to screech about nonsense openly and without shame. It's just incredible how many of them there are, and how much power they claimed.

Regardless, no business worth their salt, no matter how big, could ever be comfortable with losing eight billion dollars. It crippled the long-running Gillette brand for an entire generation. That kind of news gets shared around the world, and no other business in their right mind could ever see that and think to risk their entire brand with some bizarre idea that all men are already pussy whipped, and masculinity is taboo. That same kind of marketing was used in the lead-up to Ghostbusters 2016, and surprise surprise, the movie flopped. There was even a new Ghostbusters movie announced this year with the very first announcement making it clear that it would be a follow-up to the original two movies, while completely ignoring 2016.

Woke culture is a load of bullshit that will finally be defanged once enough major corporation get sick of losing billions of dollars because they trusted their entire business' reputation to 350lbs purple haired 20-something women with cat eye glasses.

 

[Secret Asshole]

As an American I can say that when the Religious Right had power here in the late 20th century they wielded it like a sledgehammer just like the SocJus tards on the Left do now and were just as happy to cancel people they didn't like.

They did wield it like a sledgehammer, but it was so ineffectual. I grew up in the 1990s. But it felt different. I'm not really talking about cancelling, I'm talking about asking forgiveness. I just really don't remember them ever being this bad and never letting up. Except for the extreme of the extreme. Like, you COULD reason with them. There wasn't this rampant dehumanization. I'm not saying it was any better, but I'm saying that they at least had (or pretended to) a set of very clear rules they followed. Here its whatever. Their power base also slipped and went out of favor. I don't remember them being so destructive to hold onto it.

I forgive OP for being a faggot

You can never forgive what is eternal.

I'd say the contrary. Forgiveness is only a virtue for the strong, because it implies the choice between forgiveness and revenge.

If you don't have that choice, there is no virtue in merely being too weak to take revenge.

Forgiveness is this. You have to be strong to do it. It means forsaking your personal feelings and having compassion for another, abandoning your own narcissism. This generation is so self-centered, weak and egomaniacal, that they don't have this in them at all.

I don't think religion, forgiveness, beliefs and other things you were talking about are genuinely mutual. As far as I'm aware of "witches" and "satan worshipers" were never given the option for forgiveness. I think it's more that in the yester-years people believed the world was different shades of gray and not black and white.

The wackos on twitter have been speaking silly hyperbole for so long they see the world in extremes, everyone is either Jesus or Satan. You're either with them or on the wrong side of history and are literally Hitler. They don't believe in forgiveness for their enemies because their enemies are unable to change and until someone with higher respect and authority than them tells them to forgive.
Never apologize to them since it will be weaponized but apologize to those not in the crazy camp and always work towards being a better person. Don't let the evil of others poison the soil you grow in or whatever.

Spoiler: Forgiveness Question

Here's a weird thought I had awhile ago.

God appears and announces he will finally destroy Satan. He will make him cease to exists and all evil with it. Lucifer then appears and says he is sorry and begs for forgiveness. Should Lucifer be forgiven?
In this hypothetical, Lucifer is the cause of all evil, every rape, murder, sinful thought, etc.
Let's say he comes out and asks for forgiveness and all evil just ceases to exist. The world just becomes Utopian again. Do you forgive him earnestly or just so he doesn't go back to being evil for being scorned. Do we ask God to vanquish him forever so as he never relapses? What if humanity goes on to survive for another 5 million years, does the 20,000 or so years humanity was tortured matter in the grand scheme of things?

I'm not going THAT far back. And even that far back, if you repented from being a witch or a satan worshiper or even a criminal, God would forgive you after you died. Public executions started out as atonement for sin before becoming public spectacle. They were considered a holy occasion because the sinner repented and was going to go to heaven with a clean soul. Of course by today's standards its barbarism. But here we are, dragging corpses through the streets, pointing out that they didn't suffer enough, that they were evil and would never be forgiven and that they didn't suffer enough. If the church executed you and you repented, at least they believed you'd go to heaven.

The answer to your question, as any Christian or Catholic would say is: Yes. God's capability of forgiveness and love is endless. The God of the New Testament does not do revenge. Its why it is beyond humanity, you can be forgiven of any sin, as long as your heart is true. Most modern interpretations of hell is purely the rejection of God's love, a product of your own torment.

I think part of the issue with the woke brigade is that, contrary to a lot of religious people, they don't consider their beliefs to be, well, beliefs. Whereas Christianity understands that a leap of faith is required and consequently allows the believer to voice doubts, this progressive ideology has pretensions of being the absolute and obvious Truth. The woke brigade punishes lapses in faith almost as severely as any other transgression against their ideals so it takes a particularly strong person to throw them off; dissent isn't just a mark of spiritual shortcomings. It's more akin to a mental illness in their eyes. How could you not understand the beautiful truth of their designs? You'd have to be broken or irredeemably evil, but of course they don't use that word because it's a relic of an uncivilized time.

There's also the thing that religion is a lot more codified and has an understanding that we're completely imperfect beings. We admit that we are human, we are sinners and there must be recourse for that sin. And that applies to all humans. No one is exempt. Not even clergy (ideologically, I'm well aware that hypocrites and monsters lurk everywhere and religion is nowhere near perfect). In progressive ideology, certain groups are exempt from sin. Women, minorites, LGBTQ, disabled, whoever. Until they disagree. Then they sin. They have no consistent ideology and will destroy you in seconds.

I think you've identified a common failure mode in any ideology and are applying it too narrowly.

Hardcore Evangelicals talk a good game about forgiveness, but they rarely walk it. If they've already decided you aren't one of the Elect, even if you recant, they'll make some mouth-sounds about how they're glad you came into the fold and then put you under a microscope, measuring with an ever-finer rule to find flaws to criticize you for. And then they'll lash you for it until you recant again, and the whole cycle begins anew until you either totally break or flee.

Maybe. I don't know. A lot of the evangelicals and hardcore Catholics I know unconditionally forgive. The loss of their power and influence really humbled a lot of them. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of these fundamentalists left. But then again, they're betraying their own ideology if they cannot forgive. Which I mean, is nothing new. Especially those prosperity gospel fucks which I think are genuinely evil.

We live in a very strange time. On the one hand there's this kangaroo court stuff going on. But on the other hand there's also the incredible tolerance for all kinds of things that we know aren't good. We're simultaneously normalizing every type of fetish and making sexuality the primary identity and filter for a considerable section of the population. But on the other hand, we've got men completely checking out of interacting with women at work in order to protect themselves. It's this very strange pouring of gasoline on everybody, and a nervousness about which people will ignite.

You're right that penance is missing. It was a great engine; the price of forgiveness was bowing low and admitting fault. Now there seems to be a complete unpredictability; some of the worst things are quickly forgiven, while other times relatively minor things become permanent marks on reputation. It's honestly weird to observe.

Here in Europe we'll have more and more of the population that have islamic values, which means that the way to have penance is through more barberous paths, like becoming a martyr. If you look into a considerable number of the terrorist attacks, they were bad muslims. And I don't consider it unlikely that from their guilt they were offered a path of penance, hurt the enemies of islam. In one case I had a close brush with it even; with a kid wanting to move to ISIS to fight a couple of years back. Two of his friends had already died, but he felt so incredibly guilty by not being able to pray 5 times a day in a european school. His mosque had already helped set up the travel plans. His parents were furious.

You see, where christian penance was submission to god and acts of charity, muslim penance looks rather different. It looks like a truck driving a busy shopping street.

Though the complete lack of penance is little better than that.

At its heart is also just the lack of shared value system. And part of the cause of that is also the ethnic conflict due to mass migration. Studies like putnam show a clear message of the cost of multiculturalism which is really just multi-ethnicism.

Anyways to get back on the subject of penance; I think it's a storm to be weathered. I certainly don't think like @CheezzyMach that it'll be something that blows over soon. It's more that there will at some point be people crafting order out of chaos. And it might be a worse order, as people will accept any order as solution. That's how you create more draconian laws btw, by first creation chaos. I don't like to be blackpilled and instead maintain optimism, but I find it hard to see a path where things really get better. But maybe we just have to weather the storm.

Apres le deluge....nous.

Yeah, its extremely odd and unprecedented time. The fear is real. People will write you off in seconds, not even our courts of law can protect you anymore. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't work with a mob. It is better 10 guilty man go free than 1 man be imprisoned. These are fundamental values and protections, That innocence must be protected. But when there is no innocence anymore, when everyone is guilty, what use is forgiveness?

I'm also not talking about empty apologies either. Atonement for your sins meant accepting a punishment that you were truly sorry, same with penance. But there is NO penance you can do with these people. There's no actions you can preform to restore your reputation to the mob. They want you dead, your children in the streets and your family in eternal poverty.

The problem is, the worst things can be forgiven if you are on the right side. Look at ResetEra. They ran a pedophile Discord, shared actual child pornography, and silenced anyone who mentioned it. And nothing came of it. Yet a guy gets accused of being a bad boyfriend with no real proof and then necks himself. ResetEra is brushed off while this man's corpse is paraded around. People wonder why we call this a clown world.

I just don't really have the answer. Even our justice system believes in penance and atonement. Its why we don't kill every single criminal. Its why we give out community service, allow apologies and allow criminals to get their records expunged after a period of time. The foundations of our society are founded on penance and forgiveness. This no longer exists. The mob wants to dictate this. And they only want to dictate is you be branded forever so they can throw rotten fruit at you, mock you. Beat you into the dirt until you can't take it anymore. The suicide rate for men is at an all time high. This is unprecedented. Because men, in progressive ideology, are eternal sinners and can never be forgiven for being born a man. They practice sins of the father, sins of association. They cannot be forgiven. There is no penance you can do. You can renounce both, but you will never be forgiven for them.

 

[UQ 770]

I always kind of considered the idea of forgiveness to be alien in the first place anyway. Like yeah, you fucked up or something, I'll try not to hold it against you but I'm not just gonna pretend it never happened. Of course, I consider it different when the charges are actually false but I'm getting to be so jaded these days that I'm willing to hold it against people for just associating at all with someone who may level false allegations at them. Be paranoid, I guess.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I'm going to agree with @CheezzyMach on the fact that the woke malaise will eventually subside and die like the Religious Right did and #MeToo and the Alt-Right Panic will end up being the 2010's version of the old Satanic Panic. As it is, it's already a weird inverted form of McCarthyism.

If a lot of the more hardcore Evangelicals and Neocons had the kind of media landscape and technological capabilities in their heyday that the SJW's currently have, we'd probably see similar tactics against their common targets.

As someone who grew up in Bible Belt Appalachia in the late 1990's and early 2000's, a lot of things like the Satanic Panic was still going on in the Bible Belt up until 9/11 when Bush and the Neocons gave their Evangelical base a final shot in the arm to strengthen the Religious Right on the national level before they inevitably crashed and burned with the SJW's being created in the wake of that demise.

Whenever SJW culture finally dies out on the national level, I could still see similar regional-level versions of #MeToo and the Alt-Right Panic continuing in places like the West Coast and pockets of the Northeast until the next major black swan event kills those remaining vestiges as well.

 

[CheezzyMach]

They did wield it like a sledgehammer, but it was so ineffectual. I grew up in the 1990s. But it felt different. I'm not really talking about cancelling, I'm talking about asking forgiveness. I just really don't remember them ever being this bad and never letting up. Except for the extreme of the extreme. Like, you COULD reason with them. There wasn't this rampant dehumanization. I'm not saying it was any better, but I'm saying that they at least had (or pretended to) a set of very clear rules they followed. Here its whatever. Their power base also slipped and went out of favor. I don't remember them being so destructive to hold onto it.



You can never forgive what is eternal.



Forgiveness is this. You have to be strong to do it. It means forsaking your personal feelings and having compassion for another, abandoning your own narcissism. This generation is so self-centered, weak and egomaniacal, that they don't have this in them at all.



I'm not going THAT far back. And even that far back, if you repented from being a witch or a satan worshiper or even a criminal, God would forgive you after you died. Public executions started out as atonement for sin before becoming public spectacle. They were considered a holy occasion because the sinner repented and was going to go to heaven with a clean soul. Of course by today's standards its barbarism. But here we are, dragging corpses through the streets, pointing out that they didn't suffer enough, that they were evil and would never be forgiven and that they didn't suffer enough. If the church executed you and you repented, at least they believed you'd go to heaven.

The answer to your question, as any Christian or Catholic would say is: Yes. God's capability of forgiveness and love is endless. The God of the New Testament does not do revenge. Its why it is beyond humanity, you can be forgiven of any sin, as long as your heart is true. Most modern interpretations of hell is purely the rejection of God's love, a product of your own torment.



There's also the thing that religion is a lot more codified and has an understanding that we're completely imperfect beings. We admit that we are human, we are sinners and there must be recourse for that sin. And that applies to all humans. No one is exempt. Not even clergy (ideologically, I'm well aware that hypocrites and monsters lurk everywhere and religion is nowhere near perfect). In progressive ideology, certain groups are exempt from sin. Women, minorites, LGBTQ, disabled, whoever. Until they disagree. Then they sin. They have no consistent ideology and will destroy you in seconds.



Maybe. I don't know. A lot of the evangelicals and hardcore Catholics I know unconditionally forgive. The loss of their power and influence really humbled a lot of them. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of these fundamentalists left. But then again, they're betraying their own ideology if they cannot forgive. Which I mean, is nothing new. Especially those prosperity gospel fucks which I think are genuinely evil.



Yeah, its extremely odd and unprecedented time. The fear is real. People will write you off in seconds, not even our courts of law can protect you anymore. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't work with a mob. It is better 10 guilty man go free than 1 man be imprisoned. These are fundamental values and protections, That innocence must be protected. But when there is no innocence anymore, when everyone is guilty, what use is forgiveness?

I'm also not talking about empty apologies either. Atonement for your sins meant accepting a punishment that you were truly sorry, same with penance. But there is NO penance you can do with these people. There's no actions you can preform to restore your reputation to the mob. They want you dead, your children in the streets and your family in eternal poverty.

The problem is, the worst things can be forgiven if you are on the right side. Look at ResetEra. They ran a pedophile Discord, shared actual child pornography, and silenced anyone who mentioned it. And nothing came of it. Yet a guy gets accused of being a bad boyfriend with no real proof and then necks himself. ResetEra is brushed off while this man's corpse is paraded around. People wonder why we call this a clown world.

I just don't really have the answer. Even our justice system believes in penance and atonement. Its why we don't kill every single criminal. Its why we give out community service, allow apologies and allow criminals to get their records expunged after a period of time. The foundations of our society are founded on penance and forgiveness. This no longer exists. The mob wants to dictate this. And they only want to dictate is you be branded forever so they can throw rotten fruit at you, mock you. Beat you into the dirt until you can't take it anymore. The suicide rate for men is at an all time high. This is unprecedented. Because men, in progressive ideology, are eternal sinners and can never be forgiven for being born a man. They practice sins of the father, sins of association. They cannot be forgiven. There is no penance you can do. You can renounce both, but you will never be forgiven for them.

You're talking about the same group who started a mass hysteria in the 80s that got innocent kids put in prison and still was launching harassment campaigns well into the 90s against anyone who offended them be it games,comic books,tv,rock music and even movies.

There's a reason shows like Married With Children,South Park,Simpsons and WWF Raw created caricatures of these type of people to mock.

Look up Mike Diana to see just how "tolerant" the RR was at the peak of it's power in the early 90s.

The only reason Evangelicals are more forgiving now is they've spent the past decade getting their shit kicked in by the Left.

As another poster said these groups are all about love,tolerance and agreeing to disagree when the shoe's on the other foot.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

They did wield it like a sledgehammer, but it was so ineffectual. I grew up in the 1990s. But it felt different. I'm not really talking about cancelling, I'm talking about asking forgiveness. I just really don't remember them ever being this bad and never letting up. Except for the extreme of the extreme. Like, you COULD reason with them. There wasn't this rampant dehumanization. I'm not saying it was any better, but I'm saying that they at least had (or pretended to) a set of very clear rules they followed. Here its whatever. Their power base also slipped and went out of favor. I don't remember them being so destructive to hold onto it.



You can never forgive what is eternal.



Forgiveness is this. You have to be strong to do it. It means forsaking your personal feelings and having compassion for another, abandoning your own narcissism. This generation is so self-centered, weak and egomaniacal, that they don't have this in them at all.



I'm not going THAT far back. And even that far back, if you repented from being a witch or a satan worshiper or even a criminal, God would forgive you after you died. Public executions started out as atonement for sin before becoming public spectacle. They were considered a holy occasion because the sinner repented and was going to go to heaven with a clean soul. Of course by today's standards its barbarism. But here we are, dragging corpses through the streets, pointing out that they didn't suffer enough, that they were evil and would never be forgiven and that they didn't suffer enough. If the church executed you and you repented, at least they believed you'd go to heaven.

The answer to your question, as any Christian or Catholic would say is: Yes. God's capability of forgiveness and love is endless. The God of the New Testament does not do revenge. Its why it is beyond humanity, you can be forgiven of any sin, as long as your heart is true. Most modern interpretations of hell is purely the rejection of God's love, a product of your own torment.



There's also the thing that religion is a lot more codified and has an understanding that we're completely imperfect beings. We admit that we are human, we are sinners and there must be recourse for that sin. And that applies to all humans. No one is exempt. Not even clergy (ideologically, I'm well aware that hypocrites and monsters lurk everywhere and religion is nowhere near perfect). In progressive ideology, certain groups are exempt from sin. Women, minorites, LGBTQ, disabled, whoever. Until they disagree. Then they sin. They have no consistent ideology and will destroy you in seconds.



Maybe. I don't know. A lot of the evangelicals and hardcore Catholics I know unconditionally forgive. The loss of their power and influence really humbled a lot of them. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of these fundamentalists left. But then again, they're betraying their own ideology if they cannot forgive. Which I mean, is nothing new. Especially those prosperity gospel fucks which I think are genuinely evil.



Yeah, its extremely odd and unprecedented time. The fear is real. People will write you off in seconds, not even our courts of law can protect you anymore. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't work with a mob. It is better 10 guilty man go free than 1 man be imprisoned. These are fundamental values and protections, That innocence must be protected. But when there is no innocence anymore, when everyone is guilty, what use is forgiveness?

I'm also not talking about empty apologies either. Atonement for your sins meant accepting a punishment that you were truly sorry, same with penance. But there is NO penance you can do with these people. There's no actions you can preform to restore your reputation to the mob. They want you dead, your children in the streets and your family in eternal poverty.

The problem is, the worst things can be forgiven if you are on the right side. Look at ResetEra. They ran a pedophile Discord, shared actual child pornography, and silenced anyone who mentioned it. And nothing came of it. Yet a guy gets accused of being a bad boyfriend with no real proof and then necks himself. ResetEra is brushed off while this man's corpse is paraded around. People wonder why we call this a clown world.

I just don't really have the answer. Even our justice system believes in penance and atonement. Its why we don't kill every single criminal. Its why we give out community service, allow apologies and allow criminals to get their records expunged after a period of time. The foundations of our society are founded on penance and forgiveness. This no longer exists. The mob wants to dictate this. And they only want to dictate is you be branded forever so they can throw rotten fruit at you, mock you. Beat you into the dirt until you can't take it anymore. The suicide rate for men is at an all time high. This is unprecedented. Because men, in progressive ideology, are eternal sinners and can never be forgiven for being born a man. They practice sins of the father, sins of association. They cannot be forgiven. There is no penance you can do. You can renounce both, but you will never be forgiven for them.

The tech for this kind of scorched earth social attack didn't exist when the Religious Right were in power. They would have absolutely used it if it was. I don't want to powerlevel, but I personally know people who had their lives torn apart by churches they weren't even in (small towns can really suck).

But seriously, if you're this tilted by REEEra right now, you should probably take a break from the internet for a while, and if you seriously think that SJWs are some kind of existential threat that will inevitably victor and consume modern society- go join the Amish. Not even joking.

 

[Sperghetti]

For people taking issue with the word “forgiveness”, maybe a better term to use would be “redemption”. Most religions provide a way for sinners to redeem themselves. Whether it’s through ritual, conversion, or doing good deeds, there’s nearly always some way to purify yourself and get back on the “right” track in terms of the system. It’s easier to forgive someone when they can show that they’re committed to improving themselves.

But in social justice, sins are heavily defined by your inherent physical characteristics. Even the wokest ally is still infected with “privilege” that places them near the bottom of the sinner pile. Likewise, anyone who can claim oppressed status can get away with damn near anything. There’s no forgiveness because your sins are an unchangable part of you. It’s pretty much a caste system.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Is it important to remember that everything in modern American culture is a backlash to a backlash to a backlash and the Religious Right were in many ways just as bad as SJWs as others have stated and are part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in today.

Take modern culture's extremely enthusiastic embrace of LGBT for example, while it may be kind of disturbing, while arguably people have taken it too far, you do have to nevertheless remember that LGBT people were hounded for decades by the Religious Right and by the 2000s it had reached the point of Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church picketing the funerals of dead children waving signs like "God Hates Fags" and "Fags Die, God Laughs", so yeah, you better believe things are going to go in the opposite direction of that.

However you are correct that forgiveness is at least an important ideal to at least pay lip service to, which the SJWs don't bother with at all, that's a bad change.

But really what we're talking about are the flaws of human nature, human beings for whatever reason love to go on moralistic crusades, no matter what the pretense is.

I don't think religion, forgiveness, beliefs and other things you were talking about are genuinely mutual. As far as I'm aware of "witches" and "satan worshipers" were never given the option for forgiveness. I think it's more that in the yester-years people believed the world was different shades of gray and not black and white.

The wackos on twitter have been speaking silly hyperbole for so long they see the world in extremes, everyone is either Jesus or Satan. You're either with them or on the wrong side of history and are literally Hitler. They don't believe in forgiveness for their enemies because their enemies are unable to change and until someone with higher respect and authority than them tells them to forgive.
Never apologize to them since it will be weaponized but apologize to those not in the crazy camp and always work towards being a better person. Don't let the evil of others poison the soil you grow in or whatever.

Spoiler: Forgiveness Question

Here's a weird thought I had awhile ago.

God appears and announces he will finally destroy Satan. He will make him cease to exists and all evil with it. Lucifer then appears and says he is sorry and begs for forgiveness. Should Lucifer be forgiven?
In this hypothetical, Lucifer is the cause of all evil, every rape, murder, sinful thought, etc.
Let's say he comes out and asks for forgiveness and all evil just ceases to exist. The world just becomes Utopian again. Do you forgive him earnestly or just so he doesn't go back to being evil for being scorned. Do we ask God to vanquish him forever so as he never relapses? What if humanity goes on to survive for another 5 million years, does the 20,000 or so years humanity was tortured matter in the grand scheme of things?

God couldn't make Satan or evil "cease to exist", evil is as eternal a force as good, you can't have one without the other, the idea is that one day Satan and evil would be safely contained in Hell, but it would still exist.

 

[ES 195]

God couldn't make Satan or evil "cease to exist", evil is as eternal a force as good, you can't have one without the other, the idea is that one day Satan and evil would be safely contained in Hell, but it would still exist.

I don't see why you couldn't. Good and evil being a balance or opposite is more of an eastern philosophy thing. "Good" by Catholic definitions is just following Gods will which makes sense since God created the universe, the laws, and everything in between. By not following his direct instructions on how to function in the universe you're doing something wrong like trying to cook with ice instead of fire. If you can invent "Good and Evil" you can erase one and leave the other, although you would change the definition of "good" and would either have to uplift humans to the state of godhood so we could see everything god does to truly understand or cause all instances and causes of evil to be instantly erased and forgotten.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

if you seriously think that SJWs are some kind of existential threat that will inevitably victor and consume modern society

A widespread authoritarian movement propagated by powerful, multinational corporate bodies isn't a thread to representative democracies?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

A widespread authoritarian movement propagated by powerful, multinational corporate bodies isn't a thread to representative democracies?

A widespread authoritarian movement that has gained little political traction in countries that weren't authoritarian to begin with (looking at you, UK and Canada) and are used as a cheap marketing gimmick otherwise?

Anyone who seriously thinks that BK slapping a rainbow on their Whoppers to milk a bit more cash out of marks means they support SJW thought is on crack.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

A widespread authoritarian movement that has gained little political traction in countries that weren't authoritarian to begin with (looking at you, UK and Canada) and are used as a cheap marketing gimmick otherwise?

Anyone who seriously thinks that BK slapping a rainbow on their Whoppers to tard cum a bit more cash out of marks means they support SJW thought is on crack.

Meanwhile North Carolina has been forced to rescind their troon bathroom law after only Netflix boycotted them for wrong think. Emboldened by this, Georgia has been hit by a massive west coast corporate boycott over a similar bill and it looks like it'll cave as soon as their lawmakers find a way to save face.

But it's fine if democracy is suborned so long as its causes you believe in, right? This is the state of pseudo-intellectual "liberalism" these days

 

[CheezzyMach]

A widespread authoritarian movement that has gained little political traction in countries that weren't authoritarian to begin with (looking at you, UK and Canada) and are used as a cheap marketing gimmick otherwise?

Anyone who seriously thinks that BK slapping a rainbow on their Whoppers to tard cum a bit more cash out of marks means they support SJW thought is on crack.

Yeah, countries like Canada and the UK were fucked because they don't have Freedom of Speech like the US does if it wasn't SJW Troonery that caused them to go full exceptional it would have been something else. * see New Zealand and the French riots for examples *

 

[Dom Cruise]

I don't see why you couldn't. Good and evil being a balance or opposite is more of an eastern philosophy thing. "Good" by Catholic definitions is just following Gods will which makes sense since God created the universe, the laws, and everything in between. By not following his direct instructions on how to function in the universe you're doing something wrong like trying to cook with ice instead of fire. If you can invent "Good and Evil" you can erase one and leave the other, although you would change the definition of "good" and would either have to uplift humans to the state of godhood so we could see everything god does to truly understand or cause all instances and causes of evil to be instantly erased and forgotten.

I find Christianity is easier to understand if you apply some eastern concepts, funnily enough.

Nothing in the Bible talks about God erasing evil or the Devil though, they're all simply cast into Hell and that's that.