The End of Forgivness - Your Death Will Not Save You

[ES 195]

I find Christianity is easier to understand if you apply some eastern concepts, funnily enough.

Nothing in the Bible talks about God erasing evil or the Devil though, they're all simply cast into Hell and that's that.

That's fair, I was just talking hypothetically anyway. I only brought up Satan just to see if the ultimate evil should be forgiven or erased as punishment.
I try to think about religion less magically and more logically like the autist I am. Like I believe that if the Catholic God exists then humanity was banished from the garden not because of simple disobedience but out of fear, since human nature dictates that we will one day kill God (literally in this case).

 

[Secret Asshole]

The only things I'm really afraid of with the woke brigade are how they tend to go after people's jobs and family members over the smallest of slights, putting your real name out there and associating it with all kinds of slander, for any potential employer to find from a quick Google search. If I call the wrong person a faggot under a name that can get back to me, I can not only get banned and lose access to the platform in which we were on, but that could be saved and found by anyone any time I'm job hunting - which is hard enough already, considering I'm not too keen on taking out another five-figure loan to try for a bachelor's degree.

But there really is a huge silent majority that hates this shit, just look at how popular Dave Chappelle's new special is. The people running those businesses might hate the woke brigade too, but the crazies do tend to have psychotic, dominant personalities that gravitate towards positions of power, like with HR, so they can shape the world as they see fit. Combine that with how skittish so many businesses are, afraid of offending anyone, and you get this mess where the slightest bit of levity can get you in huge trouble. The law of the land is determined by whomever is most capable of destroying everyone, and our natural preservation instincts keep most people from standing up against that tyranny. Sure, you and I might have the courage and knowledge to stand up against tyranny, but when we have no leverage in the company and no other employees want to stand with us for fear of losing our jobs, we just look like paper tigers. Paper tigers that could be replaced with much more docile employees, willing to take whatever crap gets thrown their way. And with the USA's ever-increasing population, there's always some other slack-jawed faggot willing to take your place for less than what you're making.

I think it'll pass sooner rather than later. That infamous Gillette ad which lost the company EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS happened because some rétarded marketing executive genuinely thought that was a good idea. Woke culture has infiltrated all sorts of businesses everywhere, with a smattering of maniacs getting hired to make ads, and those maniacs make ads targeted at their own niche communities, thinking they can piggyback on whatever products they're selling to push their loaded ideology on the rest of the world. It sort of worked as they introduced it slowly over the past couple of decades, but their spaghetti flew out of their pockets as soon as Trump ran for president, which set forth an enormous shockwave of unbridled insanity before he was even elected. Even when it looked like he would lose, those maniacs still couldn't stop talking about what a bad president he would be. Like him or hate him, Trump really has been a major catalyst to get those maniacs to screech about nonsense openly and without shame. It's just incredible how many of them there are, and how much power they claimed.

Regardless, no business worth their salt, no matter how big, could ever be comfortable with losing eight billion dollars. It crippled the long-running Gillette brand for an entire generation. That kind of news gets shared around the world, and no other business in their right mind could ever see that and think to risk their entire brand with some bizarre idea that all men are already pussy whipped, and masculinity is taboo. That same kind of marketing was used in the lead-up to Ghostbusters 2016, and surprise surprise, the movie flopped. There was even a new Ghostbusters movie announced this year with the very first announcement making it clear that it would be a follow-up to the original two movies, while completely ignoring 2016.

Woke culture is a load of bullshit that will finally be defanged once enough major corporation get sick of losing billions of dollars because they trusted their entire business' reputation to 350lbs purple haired 20-something women with cat eye glasses.

I mean, you're right on some but on the others, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Visa, Mastercard and Verizon even are all dedicated to 'combating hate'. These are basically the essentials (for the most part) of modern life. We're two steps away from people getting kicked out of their bank for saying faggot. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the crunch will hit them. I just see billions of dollars of the most powerful people on Earth who approve and endorse these tactics and aren't afraid to yank your speech, ability to make a living or anything else about you in seconds.

I don't think this ideology goes down easy. What I'm saying is that these people are delusional. They are insane, mentally ill drug addicts. They lock themselves in rooms with each other and self-reinforce their delusion until their only negotiation is destroying you. You cannot comprimise with irrational drug addicts who will use anything they say against you, with the support of billionaires.

You're talking about the same group who started a mass hysteria in the 80s that got innocent kids put in prison and still was launching harassment campaigns well into the 90s against anyone who offended them be it games,comic books,rock music and even movies.

Look up Mike Diana to see just how "tolerant" the RR was at the peak of it's power in the early 90s.

The only reason Evangelicals are more forgiving now is they've spent the past decade getting their shit kicked in by the Left.

An they lost their power because of it. But I don't see these people losing their power at all. All I see is a push for more. More delusional drug addicts forming bubbles and mobs to satiate themselves on their drug of choice, backed up by billionaires and millionaires who seek to make everywhere a sanitized hell. At least when the Right collapsed, the entirety of media wasn't on their side. They're getting as vicious, if not more.

Mike Diana seems to be similar to 8chan. Generally unpalatable for normies, blamed on crimes that were non-existent. Obscenity cases also still occurred under Democratic and Leftist rule. Diana's also a weird one because there was an open murder case.

Anyway, just religion in general I guess. Still, they did not have billion dollar tech corporations scrubbing any opinion they wanted for them. Even if they would have used them in such a way.

The tech for this kind of scorched earth social attack didn't exist when the Religious Right were in power. They would have absolutely used it if it was. I don't want to powerlevel, but I personally know people who had their lives torn apart by churches they weren't even in (small towns can really suck).

But seriously, if you're this tilted by REEEra right now, you should probably take a break from the internet for a while, and if you seriously think that SJWs are some kind of existential threat that will inevitably victor and consume modern society- go join the Amish. Not even joking.

I don't think that they will. I think the thing is most troubling is their use by mass media and massive, billion dollar corporations as their hammer. They've always wanted to control people, but now they can use this cloak of tolerance and bash your face in.

Every morality movement in the United States has failed, that's a fact. The problem is just that the technology right now and the isolation of any opinion except the 'right' one is unprecedented.

I'm sure they were, and that brutality marked the end to the right's power. The problem is I see this ideology become more brutal by the day, and nothing is getting done. There's really no waxing. I don't the ideology is bound to consume anything. Humanity always pushes back, but what consequences are we going to face from that? Corporations seek to sanitize everything for profit. Now we have to deal with their morality. Obviously, its not the SJWs or cancel culture that's feared, its the billion dollar corporations who back them and are creating this culture that worries me. That encourages this sort of thing. I can laugh at the dangerhairs. What I don't laugh at are corporations adopting this morality and getting inevitably bailed out when they fail.

How a den of pedophiles is perfectly fine but we have to make our own fucking ISP and we're the Nazi scourge of the internet, leaving hordes of dead trannies in our wake.

A widespread authoritarian movement that has gained little political traction in countries that weren't authoritarian to begin with (looking at you, UK and Canada) and are used as a cheap marketing gimmick otherwise?

Anyone who seriously thinks that BK slapping a rainbow on their Whoppers to tard cum a bit more cash out of marks means they support SJW thought is on crack.

If you think this is what I'm talking about, you are absolutely wrong. What I'm talking about is a simple whisper ending your life. I'm talking about how having the wrong ideology bars you from payment providers, hosts, the internet itself. How mob-like rule is tacitly endorsed by mega corporations and even some cities. See Berkley and Portland ANTIFA.

I'm talking about the lecture I got 3 days ago from a title IX committee that defined leering as sexual assault or harassment. Fucking looking at someone wrong is now a reportable offense.

Nobody gives a fuck about rainbows on whoppers or gilette commercials or where some tranny takes a shit. I'm talking about an obsessive minority that has effectively and successfully silenced the majority with the weight of the biggest companies on Earth behind it. They don't want your forgiveness. They want you gone. I'm talking about suicide rates for men not seen before in history. I'm talking about men and women being isolated from each other because they're too fucking terrified to do anything because if a third party decides to be a tattle tale, they both lose their jobs.

I am talking about an ideology where there is no penance, there is no forgiveness, there is no sympathy, there's just eradication. And its not on the fucking internet anymore. Do you know how many people I know of who dread being alone with female students an hour after class? Or seen with them when the sun is setting? Or want to have an office that's visible from ten different directions so they have a witness? This shit is not on the internet. Its real. The fear is fucking real. I've seen a guy fired because he gave an external gmail account and a student accused him of harassing her with it. Despite there being no record of it, he was gone. Fired.

It goes far, far beyond Twitter. These people don't just take it there. They take it to your life. They call family, friends, whomever they can get their hands on. No apology matters. Begging doesn't matter. Zoe Quinn accused a game dev and he was fired in 30 seconds. There were no questions asked, no investigation. Just boom, gone. A whole career instantly destroyed because of accusations by a known sociopath, but backed up by every major media outlet in this country. Then he becomes a blood sacrifice and its still not enough. That should be national news. #MeToo results in a suicide. Nope. Doesn't play to their narrative. He was an abuser anyway. But we'll never know, now will we?

This has gone beyond Twitter. I can laugh at woke campaigns flopping on their face. Woke media fucking up. What I can't laugh at is those billion dollar companies propping up these very real people who ruin lives because other people are scared they'll be next. I look at this shit everyday. I had a male colleague pull me aside late at night because there was an obsessive, highly competitive student who wanted to talk to him and he needed me as a witness. I've had a female colleague have to clarify that she 'wasn't one of those' feminists. If you think this shit doesn't exist outside the internet, you're the one who is on crack. Billions upon billions are backing this up. Propping up this mob minority to force ideology onto us. Especially tech. Facebook fucking admitted it would ban you from its crypto if you had the wrong opinions. Try apologizing to a faceless creature and try to get your bank account back. Good luck.

There are people out there who can destroy your life with a lie. And once they're caught: Nothing. Your only recourse is a lawsuit, if you could afford one. You're just assuming I'm talking about fucktards. Nah. I see this shit all the time, and have been warned about it by higher ups, male and female to watch your ass (in general to me and my colleagues). They didn't want to say it, but you sure as hell knew what they implied.

That anyone could say anything about you, and there was fuck all they could do to help you. You could apologize, get down on your hands and knees. Nothing. You were gone. So I live in this atmosphere. I can't take a break from the internet and 'get away' from it.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I mean, you're right on some but on the others, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Visa, Mastercard and Verizon even are all dedicated to 'combating hate'. These are basically the essentials (for the most part) of modern life. We're two steps away from people getting kicked out of their bank for saying faggot. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the crunch will hit them. I just see billions of dollars of the most powerful people on Earth who approve and endorse these tactics and aren't afraid to yank your speech, ability to make a living or anything else about you in seconds.

I don't think this ideology goes down easy. What I'm saying is that these people are delusional. They are insane, mentally ill drug addicts. They lock themselves in rooms with each other and self-reinforce their delusion until their only negotiation is destroying you. You cannot comprimise with irrational drug addicts who will use anything they say against you, with the support of billionaires.



An they lost their power because of it. But I don't see these people losing their power at all. All I see is a push for more. More delusional drug addicts forming bubbles and mobs to satiate themselves on their drug of choice, backed up by billionaires and millionaires who seek to make everywhere a sanitized hell. At least when the Right collapsed, the entirety of media wasn't on their side. They're getting as vicious, if not more.

Mike Diana seems to be similar to 8chan. Generally unpalatable for normies, blamed on crimes that were non-existent. Obscenity cases also still occurred under Democratic and Leftist rule. Diana's also a weird one because there was an open murder case.

Anyway, just religion in general I guess. Still, they did not have billion dollar tech corporations scrubbing any opinion they wanted for them. Even if they would have used them in such a way.



I don't think that they will. I think the thing is most troubling is their use by mass media and massive, billion dollar corporations as their hammer. They've always wanted to control people, but now they can use this cloak of tolerance and bash your face in.

Every morality movement in the United States has failed, that's a fact. The problem is just that the technology right now and the isolation of any opinion except the 'right' one is unprecedented.

I'm sure they were, and that brutality marked the end to the right's power. The problem is I see this ideology become more brutal by the day, and nothing is getting done. There's really no waxing. I don't the ideology is bound to consume anything. Humanity always pushes back, but what consequences are we going to face from that? Corporations seek to sanitize everything for profit. Now we have to deal with their morality. Obviously, its not the SJWs or cancel culture that's feared, its the billion dollar corporations who back them and are creating this culture that worries me. That encourages this sort of thing. I can laugh at the dangerhairs. What I don't laugh at are corporations adopting this morality and getting inevitably bailed out when they fail.

How a den of pedophiles is perfectly fine but we have to make our own fucking ISP and we're the Nazi scourge of the internet, leaving hordes of dead trannies in our wake.



If you think this is what I'm talking about, you are absolutely wrong. What I'm talking about is a simple whisper ending your life. I'm talking about how having the wrong ideology bars you from payment providers, hosts, the internet itself. How mob-like rule is tacitly endorsed by mega corporations and even some cities. See Berkley and Portland ANTIFA.

I'm talking about the lecture I got 3 days ago from a title IX committee that defined leering as sexual assault or harassment. Fucking looking at someone wrong is now a reportable offense.

Nobody gives a fuck about rainbows on whoppers or gilette commercials or where some tranny takes a shit. I'm talking about an obsessive minority that has effectively and successfully silenced the majority with the weight of the biggest companies on Earth behind it. They don't want your forgiveness. They want you gone. I'm talking about suicide rates for men not seen before in history. I'm talking about men and women being isolated from each other because they're too fucking terrified to do anything because if a third party decides to be a tattle tale, they both lose their jobs.

I am talking about an ideology where there is no penance, there is no forgiveness, there is no sympathy, there's just eradication. And its not on the fucking internet anymore. Do you know how many people I know of who dread being alone with female students an hour after class? Or seen with them when the sun is setting? Or want to have an office that's visible from ten different directions so they have a witness? This shit is not on the internet. Its real. The fear is fucking real. I've seen a guy fired because he gave an external gmail account and a student accused him of harassing her with it. Despite there being no record of it, he was gone. Fired.

It goes far, far beyond Twitter. These people don't just take it there. They take it to your life. They call family, friends, whomever they can get their hands on. No apology matters. Begging doesn't matter. Zoe Quinn accused a game dev and he was fired in 30 seconds. There were no questions asked, no investigation. Just boom, gone. A whole career instantly destroyed because of accusations by a known sociopath, but backed up by every major media outlet in this country. Then he becomes a blood sacrifice and its still not enough. That should be national news. #MeToo results in a suicide. Nope. Doesn't play to their narrative. He was an abuser anyway. But we'll never know, now will we?

This has gone beyond Twitter. I can laugh at woke campaigns flopping on their face. Woke media fucking up. What I can't laugh at is those billion dollar companies propping up these very real people who ruin lives because other people are scared they'll be next. I look at this shit everyday. I had a male colleague pull me aside late at night because there was an obsessive, highly competitive student who wanted to talk to him and he needed me as a witness. I've had a female colleague have to clarify that she 'wasn't one of those' feminists. If you think this shit doesn't exist outside the internet, you're the one who is on crack. Billions upon billions are backing this up. Propping up this mob minority to force ideology onto us. Especially tech. Facebook fucking admitted it would ban you from its crypto if you had the wrong opinions. Try apologizing to a faceless creature and try to get your bank account back. Good luck.

There are people out there who can destroy your life with a lie. And once they're caught: Nothing. Your only recourse is a lawsuit, if you could afford one. You're just assuming I'm talking about fucktards. Nah. I see this shit all the time, and have been warned about it by higher ups, male and female to watch your ass (in general to me and my colleagues). They didn't want to say it, but you sure as hell knew what they implied.

That anyone could say anything about you, and there was fuck all they could do to help you. You could apologize, get down on your hands and knees. Nothing. You were gone. So I live in this atmosphere. I can't take a break from the internet and 'get away' from it.

You're a college professor or something?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Meanwhile North Carolina has been forced to rescind their troon bathroom law after only Netflix boycotted them for wrong think. Emboldened by this, Georgia has been hit by a massive west coast corporate boycott over a similar bill and it looks like it'll cave as soon as their lawmakers find a way to save face.

But it's fine if democracy is suborned so long as its causes you believe in, right? This is the state of pseudo-intellectual "liberalism" these days

As a North Carolinian, the tranny bathroom law was a legal boondoggle being used by Congress to cover up the fact that they can't even keep the roads in a functional state, and all it led to was a bunch of places changing the sign from "men" or "women"'s room to "all-gender". You probably should pick something better than autism v. other kind of autism to argue your point.

 

[CheezzyMach]

As a North Carolinian, the tranny bathroom law was a legal boondoggle being used by Congress to cover up the fact that they can't even keep the roads in a functional state, and all it led to was a bunch of places changing the sign from "men" or "women"'s room to "all-gender". You probably should pick something better than autism v. other kind of autism to argue your point.

Sounds like something easily reversible once Transmania runs it's course.

a nothingburger.

 

[Manah]

I think you've identified a common failure mode in any ideology and are applying it too narrowly.

Hardcore Evangelicals talk a good game about forgiveness, but they rarely walk it. If they've already decided you aren't one of the Elect, even if you recant, they'll make some mouth-sounds about how they're glad you came into the fold and then put you under a microscope, measuring with an ever-finer rule to find flaws to criticize you for. And then they'll lash you for it until you recant again, and the whole cycle begins anew until you either totally break or flee.

Yeah, what the hell is this "only SJWs don't forgive people" thing?

What do you think about shit like the split in the Christian church? That people are just totally okay with people believing the 'wrong' things?

 

[Secret Asshole]

You're a college professor or something?

I am in STEM and around academia and have been for most of my life. I won't explicitly say since me even posting here would endanger my future.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Yeah, what the hell is this "only SJWs don't forgive people" thing?

What do you think about shit like the split in the Christian church? That people are just totally okay with people believing the 'wrong' things?

You don't think that the catholic church would accept protestants with open arms if they all said "we were wrong, you were right, we're sorry!"? Or vice versa for that matter?

I don't think it really is a fair comparison you're making.

 

[Emperor Julian]

It's probably worth noting that Christian perspectives on forgiveness are weird because they often demanded it for things which should not be forgiven. Noble uncle Constantine who we owe our christian world for example murdered his own son and wife amoung other career highlights.

Forgiving some deeds is in off itself an act of evil

If you desire forgiveness begin with yourself then move on to people you actually give a shit about, anyone who condemns uncritical condemns without clout. The lion does not concern itself with the opinions of the sheep.

 

[MadPreacher1AD]

My thoughts on the matter as a Netzarim* minister.

A lot of what we are seeing is the result of removal of Yahweh from the public square. It's gotten so bad that Christians and Jews are attacked while no one bats an eye. There is a literal genocide going on in various countries where Christians are executed for their beliefs. Some of the people doing the executing are atheists and some are Muslim. By the removal of Yahweh from the center of life, people have replaced him with themselves as their god. This is what 2 Timothy 3:2-5 is all about.

2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud,abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

They are so in love with themselves that they are the center of their own universe. Nobody else matters to them and this is why you see them unable to forgive. These people view themselves as perfect/sinless and everyone else is imperfect/sinful. This is why they don't have real friends and only have allies. It's easier to burn people at the stake if they're allies then if they truly were friends or family. This is why many of these SJWs adhere to a cult-like behavior rooted in communism/Marxism. There is no individuality in that belief system and if you are an individual you become a statistic as Uncle Joe would say.

Now, for all those people that are attacking the Religious Right for what happened prior, they are not living in accordance with scripture. Specifically Romans 13:1-10. By failing to live by the law they, themselves, are in rebellion. Rebellion is sin. I can safely say that all those RR fundamentalists were not Christians in the slightest due to Matthew 7:15-20. They claim that they did works in Yahweh's name, but their actions show the opposite. A true follower will forgive as scripture repeatedly says that we are to forgive if we expect Yahweh to forgive us of our sins. A true follower lets a person choose to follow Yahweh or not and they live their lives in accordance to Yahweh's law.

*Netzarim were the first followers of Yeshua Im'manu'el that were all Jews. They were Torah observant and still worshiped in the Temple, including giving sacrifices. They were run out by the Pharisees and Sadduccees after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. A further split happened in between 90-120 AD done by Ignatius the Bishop of Antioch. He created the heresy that we all know as Christianity.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

My thoughts on the matter as a Netzarim* minister.

A lot of what we are seeing is the result of removal of Yahweh from the public square. It's gotten so bad that Christians and Jews are attacked while no one bats an eye. There is a literal genocide going on in various countries where Christians are executed for their beliefs. Some of the people doing the executing are atheists and some are Muslim. By the removal of Yahweh from the center of life, people have replaced him with themselves as their god. This is what 2 Timothy 3:2-5 is all about.

2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud,abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

They are so in love with themselves that they are the center of their own universe. Nobody else matters to them and this is why you see them unable to forgive. These people view themselves as perfect/sinless and everyone else is imperfect/sinful. This is why they don't have real friends and only have allies. It's easier to burn people at the stake if they're allies then if they truly were friends or family. This is why many of these SJWs adhere to a cult-like behavior rooted in communism/Marxism. There is no individuality in that belief system and if you are an individual you become a statistic as Uncle Joe would say.

Now, for all those people that are attacking the Religious Right for what happened prior, they are not living in accordance with scripture. Specifically Romans 13:1-10. By failing to live by the law they, themselves, are in rebellion. Rebellion is sin. I can safely say that all those RR fundamentalists were not Christians in the slightest due to Matthew 7:15-20. They claim that they did works in Yahweh's name, but their actions show the opposite. A true follower will forgive as scripture repeatedly says that we are to forgive if we expect Yahweh to forgive us of our sins. A true follower lets a person choose to follow Yahweh or not and they live their lives in accordance to Yahweh's law.

*Netzarim were the first followers of Yeshua Im'manu'el that were all Jews. They were Torah observant and still worshiped in the Temple, including giving sacrifices. They were run out by the Pharisees and Sadduccees after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. A further split happened in between 90-120 AD done by Ignatius the Bishop of Antioch. He created the heresy that we all know as Christianity.

Really fighting the urge to sperg at you about "no Jew or Greek" and the explicit abolishing of the dietary and ritual laws in the NT, but alas this is not the place.

 

[MadPreacher1AD]

Really fighting the urge to sperg at you about "no Jew or Greek" and the explicit abolishing of the dietary and ritual laws in the NT, but alas this is not the place.

The dietary and ritual laws were not replaced. In fact, there are numerous passages in the B'rit Hadashah that state that the apostles still went to the Temple and performed sacrifices while maintaining their dietary requirements. Acts 15:18-20 is a reiteration of Genesis 9's Noachide Laws that Gentiles are to follow when they come to Yeshua for salvation. Nowhere did Yeshua say he replaced Torah Moshe. You must be confusing Torah Moshe with Torah Talmud. Yeshua railed against Torah Talmud since it's legalistic opinions of rabbis/priests that are not supported in scripture. Torah Talmud was started at the beginning of the Babylonian Exile after the destruction of the First Temple. The priests/rabbis had to adapt Judaism to a world that didn't have a temple. So we're looking at 6th Century BC till Yeshua's ministry worth of rulings. So when Yeshua is saying that the Torah Talmud is a yoke on the necks of the Jewish people he was being literal. The Talmud is several thousand pages and in Yeshua's day they would be been on numerous scrolls. Compare that to Torah Moshe which was only a few volumes in comparison.

Then there is the matter of Romans 11 which Sha'ul repeats the teaching from Yeshua that the Gentiles are grafted into the House of Yisrael.

I forgive you for your mistaken beliefs.

 

[Emperor Julian]

So you're an earlier incarnation of what a nonbeliever would consider early Christianity when the links with Orthodox Judaism where more pronounced and the greco-latin aspects where less pronounced?

Interesting

 

[MadPreacher1AD]

So you're an earlier incarnation of what a nonbeliever would consider early Christianity when the links with Orthodox Judaism where more pronounced and the greco-latin aspects where less pronounced?

Interesting

There aren't any Greco-Latin links in it since it's only Jewish. It's more like Karaite Judaism where it rejects Torah Talmud (Oral Law) while embracing Torah Moshe (Written Law), B'rit Hadashah, and Yeshua as the messiah.

The word, Christian wasn't invented until Ignatius created it and the entire Iesous Christos character. Yeshua is Jewish, raised Jewish, and worshiped Jewish. This is why his name is Yeshua Im'manu'el in the Peshitta and Old Syraic bibles. Yeshua means Salvation and Im'manu'el means Yahweh is with us. So if you read his name as per Hebrew's right to left his name means Yahweh is with us for Salvation. In Acts 24: 5 Sha'ul declares himself to be a Nazarene since the word Christian wasn't invented yet. Acts was written approximately 60 AD. Nazarene is the Roman version of Netzir. Netzir in Hebrew means branch and is a sect of Judaism. During Yeshua's ministry there were four major sects, Pharisees, Sadduccees, Essenes, and Netzirs. All were welcome at the Temple and synagogue.

If you'd like more answers feel free to start a new thread asking me questions about it. I'd be more than happy to answer them.

Peace be with you and yours.

 

[Emperor Julian]

There aren't any Greco-Latin links in it since it's only Jewish.

Yes it's obvious that's what you believe/know to be true, you didnt really need to elaborate on the point. It's one of main critiques of Abrahamic monotheism is that it often engages in this sort of self-defeating pedantics. But to return to topic how do you reconcile your stance that SJW's worship the self when combined with your stance they also worship the collective?

 

[MadPreacher1AD]

Yes it's obvious that's what you believe/know to be true, you didnt really need to elaborate on the point. It's one of main critiques of Abrahamic monotheism is that it often engages in this sort of self-defeating pedantics. But to return to topic how do you reconcile your stance that SJW's worship the self when combined with your stance they also worship the collective?

Except, what I stated are historical facts. It's not a matter of unfounded belief. There is nothing self-defeating in my statements to date. There are facts though.

I never said that they worship the collective. I said that they worship themselves and place themselves into a collective. If you get out of line with the group think you are excommunicated/unpersoned/killed. That's what I said, so stop with the strawman.

 

[stuffandthings]

It's probably worth noting that Christian perspectives on forgiveness are weird because they often demanded it for things which should not be forgiven. Noble uncle Constantine who we owe our christian world for example murdered his own son and wife amoung other career highlights.

Forgiving some deeds is in off itself an act of evil

If you desire forgiveness begin with yourself then move on to people you actually give a shit about, anyone who condemns uncritical condemns without clout. The lion does not concern itself with the opinions of the sheep.

'Forgiving some deeds is in and of itself an act of evil' is an interesting philosophy. Obviously a completely different worldview. but most Christians would disagree. While objectively it's easy to prove that 'forgiving' in the sense of 'not-punishing' crimes like murder is dangerous and evil, that is not using the Christian definition of forgiveness.

In general, most Christian theology (obviously there are sects) would say that because all humans are fallen and sinners we really don't have the grounds to be holding things against each other. That's what the parable about the Unforgiving Servant was about. God forgives us, even though we deserve to be punished, so we forgive others. And it doesn't matter if we've never done the worst things mankind is capable of, God is the only righteous judge. Just like in our modern legal system, a judge that has stolen and lied under oath would be disbarred and wouldn't be allowed to judge a pedo.

Also most Christians would agree that Christian forgiveness doesn't prevent you from receiving the earthy punishments you earned from breaking earthly laws. That's why Christian countries would offer death row inmates priests and pastors before executions. So they could get Christian forgiveness from God. And the families of those harmed would be expected to forgive the murderer and pray for his soul. But most theologians of different denominations would say the judge and executioner didn't preform some kind of damnable sin by condemning a man to die.

You don't have to like it, or agree with it. But Christian forgiveness is so distinctly different from human or secular forgiveness because you have a giant crucifixion shaped thumb on the scales. The fact that, in the Christian's eyes, God allowed man to torture and kill him. The being that they believe created this universe and thus this entire causality chain of pain and murder, was punished for it. If you don't believe in that thumb on the scales of justice, you're going to see things differently, and withholding forgiveness is just.

Lots of Christians wouldn't say it like this, and lots of Christians are judgy asshats burning heretics and holding grudges, but if you dig down into the theology that's not how it's supposed to be practiced.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Yeah I think you're right, I certainly come at the idea of forgiveness from a different angle than a Christian would or even should. But as I and you mentioned Christianity has higher spiritual idea's which are distinct from human interactions to flip it on it's side I forgave an Alcholic for her theft of my JD when she found it but without Christs sacrifice her sin cannot be forgiven.

We are in the end talking about two distinct ways to view the world which are irreconcilable.

 

[Caprice Leviathan]

"The End of Forgiveness - Your Death Will Not Save You"

You're already dead.
This has and always will be hell.
You were never gave the chance for forgiveness because a psychopathic god only sees you as a play thing for his entertainment and when you break you get thrown to his most uncaring demonic son for punishment for not following this god's ridiculous rules.

 

[stuffandthings]

Yeah I think you're right, I certainly come at the idea of forgiveness from a different angle than a Christian would or even should. But as I and you mentioned Christianity has higher spiritual idea's which are distinct from human interactions to flip it on it's side I forgave an Alcholic for her theft of my JD when she found it but without Christs sacrifice her sin cannot be forgiven.

We are in the end talking about two distinct ways to view the world which are irreconcilable.

I really like the ID story. Because yeah, it shows that Christianity really is a religion that puts the perfection of God and his righteousness on a massive crushing pedestal, and that is hard for some people to accept. They always parrot the, "Jesus said judge not." thing but forget that that only applied to humans judging other humans, and it didn't mean God erased his rules. The only addendum I have is that Christians would believe that God always intended Christ's sacrifice.

I would say there are many 'works' based religions that have an element of 'mercy' to them, the idea that devotion can cover failings. Muslims, Hindus, Jews , even many Buddhists, believe they can earn a higher spiritual power's love and assistance.

What the Social Justice non-forgiveness thing reminds me of is the Ancient Greeks and Romans. They had the view that your character was immutable, a force of nature, written in the stars. It really comes out in historians like Suetonius, when writing about the Caesars. If you started 'good' or 'honorable' and went bad, it either meant your innate noble nature was being obscured by bad advice or something, or that you had always been bad and had obscured it before. Tiger can't change his stripes, and all that. I think many SJW's don't believe in forgiveness because they don't believe that people can apologize without claiming years of counseling and getting 100% woke af.

So as a dirty dirty pagan apostate, Emperor Julian, how do you feel about that? And how is that 3rd temple in Jerusalem going?