The Expanse season 5 - "Why can't I make a show like that?" - Alex Kurtzman
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Watched like 2 episodes of season one and saw Earth under UN control being a major player on a systemwide conflict then noped out.
After a century of Sci-Fi thinking on the issues involved, the common thoughts are that Earth being at the bottom of a heavy gravity well, with the limited resources of a planet couldn't even maintain control over Luna without anti-gravity technology.
In a conflict situation between a populated belt and political controllers on Earth you have a concentrated force vs a dispersed force, and most of any kind of attack the belt directs against Earth would be successful suddenly coming downhill out of the dark.
TL ; DR My geek background made the show look like complete fantasy written by retards.
After a century of Sci-Fi thinking on the issues involved, the common thoughts are that Earth being at the bottom of a heavy gravity well, with the limited resources of a planet couldn't even maintain control over Luna without anti-gravity technology.
In a conflict situation between a populated belt and political controllers on Earth you have a concentrated force vs a dispersed force, and most of any kind of attack the belt directs against Earth would be successful suddenly coming downhill out of the dark.
TL ; DR My geek background made the show look like complete fantasy written by retards.
Baltimore looks way less cyberpunk-y than I was expecting from the books, but I'm really excited for Amos' part in the next episode. Should be a lot of fun.
Dominique TIpper remains the weakest part of the main cast. Naomi's arc in this book is already pretty frustrating/tedious to get through, it's going to be a chore watching her perform it.
Dominique TIpper remains the weakest part of the main cast. Naomi's arc in this book is already pretty frustrating/tedious to get through, it's going to be a chore watching her perform it.
I heard the books are much more fun than the show.
They're so much better than the show. Reading/listening to them spoiled the show because you realize how much gets cut out or changed.
Examples?
I agree the books are better, but as far as TV adaptations go, I think this is one of the better ones. They've done a good job doing more changes than cuts, and for the most part the changes have at least been interesting, in an alternate universe kind of way. I thought the show made Ashford far more interesting than the one-note villain he was in the books. Drummer's expanded role has been fun too. It's not Game of Thrones-tier bad fanfiction or changes that go completely against the themes of the books.
Lots of characters are removed and/or have whole plot lines given to other characters. Drummer's the biggest glutton in this regard, her arc in the second half of season 3 (which was ALL of book 3, so they cut a ton out) belonged to Bull, Fred Johnson's security guard in the latest episodes. Her current season arc belongs to Michio Pao in the 5th book. In a completely faithful adaptation, Drummer wouldn't be a major character of any kind in the show, since they're stopping at book 6 and she doesn't have her own story until book 7.
She's not the only one though. Neither Avasarala or Bobby show up in the first/3rd books. Havelock (Miller's earther partner in season 1) should've shown up in season 4 as one of Murtry's security staff. Naomi doesn't go to Ilus in book 4 (one of the cooler elements of the books that the show more-or-less discarded for convenience is that Belters are a) absurdly tall/lean, and b) cannot survive on most planets). Ashford dies at the end of book 3 IIRC.
I might have agreed for Season 1, but not anymore. Book 4 was fucking awful but the show made that story pretty watchable. So glad they cut out all the horny scientist bullshit. Hopefully they can do the same for the current season because I recall book 5 being a bit tedious as well.
I agree with you there. I do think the show could've been better if they had longer seasons, even if only by a handful of episodes. So many things are cut or shortened that helped build the world and establish side characters. Season 4 especially disappointed me with how much they had cut out and changed. The Belters I think aren't being given as much of the worldbuilding they got in the books, which is a large part of the motivations of Inaros.
They are trying to condense 10+ hours of books (as narrated) into almost as many hours of show, so they do have to cut some of the slower parts. Maybe I just like the "space opera" feeling I had with the books and wish the show was able to follow that up.
Has Amazon said anything about how far they're going with the show? I'm excited to see their interpretation of the later books.
Les Morfalous
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FOR THE GLORY OF ZEON
The pacing was really inconsistent while they were on SyFy. 1.5 seasons for book 1 (with a common complaint from people unfamiliar with the book being that it took to long to get going), 1 season for book 2, and then crunching book 3 into 5 episodes. Considering they're much more consistent now at Amazon, I assume that was due to SyFy holding a Damocles-ian dagger over their collective heads.
As far as future content, they've confirmed season 6 will be the last and they aren't doing any post-time skip content. The Laconia portal shows up in the title credit sequence now and some fans are coping that it means they're farming out a separate adaptation of the Laconian trilogy but I'm pretty sure it's just an easter egg.
God dammit, that stuff is amazing. Not having those books really disappoints me since it would've been a lot of action and ends the series on a pleasant and very optimistic note. Ending the series after the Inaros stuff just misses out on so much. Is it just budget or ratings or just blowback from corona?
I'm guessing a combination of budget/ratings, Alex's actor getting #MeToo'd and booted off the next season, and the logistical headache of a 30 year time skip.
I'd just recast the whole show for the last 3 seasons but contracts and producer anxiety about losing characters with high Q ratings like Wes Chatham's Amos probably put a nix in that.
I hadn't heard that, so that's pretty big.
Yeah honestly they either kill the show gracefully as planned or recast, and recasting would definitely kill the show unceremoniously.
Such a shame too, The Expanse deserves more than what it got. Sy-fy is fucking cancer.
Miller
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I haven't read the books but I've heard Robert Meyer Burnett say that ending after the 6th season is fine, since there's a big time jump in the books, so if there was a 7th season then we wouldn't see the same cast.
Day of the Rock.
Yeah it's as good a place to end as any, but I'm sure I'm not the only book fan who was looking forward to seeing the
Laconian Navy and Marines.
Les Morfalous
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You know, I think this show could be greatly improved, especially by throwing this Naomi character out an airlock.Can we please just stick to Chainsmoker mommy, Drummer and the redneck-indian guy?
It's going to get even worse. Naomi was fine in the books, for the most part, but this season's arc was where I started skipping her chapters. Expect lots of crying and Dominique Tipper's "I'm ACTING" face.
I'm glad that piece of lazy writing might've come back to bite the authors, who couldn't figure out anything better while they were focused on the TV show.
I dunno if this thread is really dead, but man my interest in this season really dipped after the fourth episode. Amazon is fuckin retarded as usual by releasing every week, but they really are focusing on shit I don't care about.
I don't care about Asian belt bitch once Ashford bit it, Holden is basically being a background character to disaster, Amos and Chainsmoker Mom I actually care about and have interest in their stories, and the show is starting to push them aside for Filip and Naomi's family issues I don't fucking care about. Mars and our favorite Martians are my favorite thing of the series and suddenly dropped it after finally showing the red planet. Kind of miffed. At least when they show Mars it's actually world building instead of "IM BAD TERRORIST SON NOW WHY MY MOM NEVER LOVE ME".
Side note: I don't want to sound like a degenerate but
Also I really hope those accusations against Cas Anvar, the guy who plays Alex are fake or not provable, because he's the only person I can say I never hate or think is doing bad acting.
I don't care about Asian belt bitch once Ashford bit it, Holden is basically being a background character to disaster, Amos and Chainsmoker Mom I actually care about and have interest in their stories, and the show is starting to push them aside for Filip and Naomi's family issues I don't fucking care about. Mars and our favorite Martians are my favorite thing of the series and suddenly dropped it after finally showing the red planet. Kind of miffed. At least when they show Mars it's actually world building instead of "IM BAD TERRORIST SON NOW WHY MY MOM NEVER LOVE ME".
Side note: I don't want to sound like a degenerate but
I want to fuck whoever plays Bobbie, or more likely her to hold me down and fuck me.
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