The food that can feed, and maybe save, the planet: Bugs - By Sandee LaMotte, CNN

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Vlad El Implicador

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Guess I am late to the party but in my country some people sell toasted grasshoppers... as snacks, and they are quite expensive, there are also a few traditional dishes which use a special kind of worm, this comes from old tradition rather than necessity (for now), I just don't understand these people telling others to replace everything they eat for this or that, let people just eat whatever they want if they can afford it, as long as it is fundamentally legal why trying to guilt trip people into eating bugs for life?
 

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Guess I am late to the party but in my country some people sell toasted grasshoppers... as snacks, and they are quite expensive, there are also a few traditional dishes which use a special kind of worm, this comes from old tradition rather than necessity (for now), I just don't understand these people telling others to replace everything they eat for this or that, let people just eat whatever they want if they can afford it, as long as it is fundamentally legal why trying to guilt trip people into eating bugs for life?
If you don't eat a big bowl of bugs every day you are literally Hitler.
 

Vlad El Implicador

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If you don't eat a big bowl of bugs every day you are literally Hitler.
Technically speaking cheese is also full of minuscule worms you know, speaking of which apparently there is some kind of uproar here, some people are saying we should not drink cow tard cum because is not natural and some stuff like that, last year I remember a cousin also trying to give a reasoning, she said cow tard cum is full of fat and other stuff that was meant for a 500kg calf (or something like that, basically a very heavy baby), the only problem I found with her argument was humans never consuming the same amount a calf would do within a day.

The funniest part was how she went on a camp trip or something to another country (South America, not sure where) and she had a very tight budget so she had to be careful with her food expenses, apparently she went kind of vegan by rationalizing her abstinence from her old diet after starving a bit during said trip.
 

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If you don't eat a big bowl of bugs every day you are literally Hitler.
I've been thinking for a while that enforced vegetarianism is going to be the next arbitrary cause du jour that makes waves and doesn't go away like every other earth-shaking crisis that the news just stops caring about a week after breaking the story. Today there are reasonable people who admit the farm system is not nice to animals but it isn't the highest priority on the list, but tomorrow those people will be militant vegans and pretend that eating meat has always been the most heinous of crimes and you are suddenly Hitler. Tomorrow Dave Chapelle will be dropped from every contract because a photo surfaced of him eating a cheeseburger, even though today they serve chicken and fish at every Hollywood banquet and award dinner.

Maybe bugs will be the shape that tumor of a movement takes. I really hope so because I want to see the arguments about why a bug's pain and suffering arbitrarily don't count like a pig's or a cow's do.
 
I've been thinking for a while that enforced vegetarianism is going to be the next arbitrary cause du jour that makes waves and doesn't go away like every other earth-shaking crisis that the news just stops caring about a week after breaking the story. Today there are reasonable people who admit the farm system is not nice to animals but it isn't the highest priority on the list, but tomorrow those people will be militant vegans and pretend that eating meat has always been the most heinous of crimes and you are suddenly Hitler. Tomorrow Dave Chapelle will be dropped from every contract because a photo surfaced of him eating a cheeseburger, even though today they serve chicken and fish at every Hollywood banquet and award dinner.

Maybe bugs will be the shape that tumor of a movement takes. I really hope so because I want to see the arguments about why a bug's pain and suffering arbitrarily don't count like a pig's or a cow's do.
As horrifying as this idea is. It will be very funny to watch. I will of course be a Nazi because I will refuse to give up meat, even if it means it's only available by raising your own or knowing the right sort of people.

At the same time, it will open the world up to a whole bunch of new arguments that Vegans don't like to acknowledge, because it's easier to fixate on the poor suffering of animals in the industrial farming complex.

A lot of people are dumb when it comes to farming practices, and food supplies. They seem to magically think that we can undermine or destroy key agricultural or business industries and the population won't suffer for it. Most of the types I meet who have this view, live in large cities, have never been anywhere where actual food poverty exist, or anywhere where you can't get your soy tard cum latte. They have about as much connection to the actual environment and real environmentalism, as middle class socialist have to working class people.

  1. Enforced vegetarianism/veganism will not actually help the environment, because the cost for one versus the cost of the other will ultimately balance itself out. People like to use cattle grazing as a major argument because of methane production, etc. But that simply is a false equivocation, because all ruminants create methane gasses through their digestive processes, and as such it doesn't matter whether it's cattle or sheep, or etc. All forms of domestic or wild livestock still cause environmental impact.
  2. Enforced vegetarianism will cause the extinction of a lot of forms of domesticated livestock. A lot of people argue this won't happen, but it will. We already have large populations of industrial farms that use only one or two particular breeds in egg or meat production, and this has led to a reduction in the diversity of old stock breeds which only local small farmers and old breed enthusiast have kept going. A grand example of this is the introduction of the tractor to the UK alone. Before the introduction of the tractor, the draft horse population was around 250,000 around the 1880's, with the introduction of the tractor by 1950 the population dropped to 30,000, and currently sits at 58,000 because enthusiast and hobby farmers started reviving old farming methods to be more ecologically friendly. Such breeds as the Suffolk Punch, a main stay in the canal boating industry as well as small holdings farming is now in the hundreds and facing extinction.
  3. Enforced vegetarianism won't stop ecological damage it will just change how the ecological damage is done. Not only are the modern methods of monocultural agriculture equally unsustainable, because the majority of them are intensive. And most modern farmers do not have the patience or are willing to deal with the additional costs in order to make the system sustainable. IE, wheat, rice, potatoes, etc. All of these farming methods rely heavily on petrochemicals for fertilizer, pest control, farming equipment. Not to mention that the reliance on these products has steadily increased since their introduction, because the intensive farming strips the soil of nutrients and intensive over farming without actual soil amendments or traditional methods leaves the soil barren. There isn't enough viable farm land to increase intensive processes in parts of the world where the geographical zoning won't allow for long term crop sustainability. The great plains of the US remain the great plains for a reason, and cannot sustain monocultural farming practices otherwise, situations like the dust bowl will occur and desertification will result.
  4. If farming processes that are actually soil friendly are employed. Such methods as outlined in permacultural practices, do not allow for the same level of intensive farming that most of the population is used to. So not only will the availability of the food be lower, despite the food being of superior quality. But it will also be highly seasonal, and not able to indefinitely feed a mass growth population or provide seasonal foods all year round. So good bye avocado's on toast, good bye fresh tomatoes, etc. It will provide however free range beef, pork, and chicken in sustainable quantity while enriching soil fertility, but lets face it that sort of thing is barbaric.
  5. Without meat on the menu, the de jour choice will become fish. No one will want to eat bugs willingly! So considering how much intensive fish farming causes environmental and ecological damage already, plus the fact that the worlds fishery stocks have been over fished and would have further pressure put on them. There is already a movement within the fish farming business to create more sustainable farming methods through ocean pods, but this is still relatively new and is costly to implement. (So it won't stop the Asian market from poisoning there rivers anyways. in order to produce cheap fish/shrimp produce.) Even then, you have the issue of transportation.
  6. Transportation. If you really want to have this magical bounty of goods available to you, then you will need to keep the existing portage infrastructure, and that leads also to environmental pollution and use of fossil fuels. If you want to have a system whereby that is heavily reduced, then a seasonal diet is all but assured, and limitations of certain food availability also becomes assured. So no more oranges either because they have to be trucked in. (There is a reason they traditionally were only had at Christmas.)
 
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I'm in the minority and I am not against eating bugs. It is sustainable, uses less space and water, and cheaper to produce, and depending on the product you can't even tell there's bugs in it. I've eaten protein bars and brownies made of cricket flour, not a whole lot of taste difference.

But the fervor behind it now is super weird. It's totally normal forr Americans to be grossed out. We weren't raised eating bugs and most places that do eat bugs do it because it's the only readily available source of protein. The sudden shaming is bizarre and all I have to say to the climate change cultists is "you first."
 

Freedom Fries

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some people are saying we should not drink cow tard cum because is not natural and some stuff like that
They may have a point and this is coming from someone who drinks a quart to a litre (more often a litre) a day and used to drink more. There's a LOT of nutrients and vitamins in there as well as a load of hormones. That makes it great for workout recovery. I don't think it would be wise to drink as much of it as I do without a serious exercise regimen and a genetic history with dairy though. Still not sure the amount I drink is healthy, but it doesn't give me bowel issues so whatever.
 
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But the fervor behind it now is super weird. It's totally normal forr Americans to be grossed out. We weren't raised eating bugs and most places that do eat bugs do it because it's the only readily available source of protein. The sudden shaming is bizarre and all I have to say to the climate change cultists is "you first."
It's hard not to suspect some kind of marketing push and wonder what exact product is being teased this way. That's just how little the media is trusted these days. They're pimping something for their owners whenever they do this "all do the same bullshit story at the same time" thing.
 

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It's hard not to suspect some kind of marketing push and wonder what exact product is being teased this way. That's just how little the media is trusted these days. They're pimping something for their owners whenever they do this "all do the same bullshit story at the same time" thing.
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They may have a point and this is coming from someone who drinks a quart to a litre (more often a litre) a day and used to drink more. There's a LOT of nutrients and vitamins in there as well as a load of hormones. That makes it great for workout recovery. I don't think it would be wise to drink as much of it as I do without a serious exercise regimen and a genetic history with dairy though. Still not sure the amount I drink is healthy, but it doesn't give me bowel issues so whatever.
I don't really believe a lot of the stuff that comes out now from health specialist when it comes to foods. There is always some hyperbolic bloated thing they try to push as the new in vogue diet, bugs or veganism, or some crap like that, and it's been the same since the Victorians with banting and beef tea.

That said I grew up drinking raw organic full fat tard cum, around a pint a day and never suffered any ills for it.
I love smoked meats, and a variety of cheeses, and Jersey tard cum and I refuse to give them up to be "healthier"

The vast majority of people could just be healthier by actually getting a real decent amount of exercise every day, having portion controls, not eating any overly processed shit or junk food, and working out in the gym.
 

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They may have a point and this is coming from someone who drinks a quart to a litre (more often a litre) a day and used to drink more.
They don't. We - europeans - are genetically adapted to consume dairy. Nearly all mammals, and about two thirds of humans world-wide (especially in areas where cattle were not traditionally kept), stop producing lactase once they're weaned and are unable to digest lactose as a result, whereas europeans, middle easterners, some north-east asians, western indians, and some african populations have developed a mutation on the genes that produce lactase that mean its production persists into adulthood. It was an advantageous adaptation, one that allowed europeans to use cattle and sheep as a long-term, renewable food source, and allowed the mongols to use their horses as a mobile drinks dispenser.

It's as natural as any other environmental adaptation. The fact that lactase persistence has emerged multiple times in divergent populations is proof that it provides an advantage to its carriers. To call it unnatural is to deny the reality of evolution.
 

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They don't. We - europeans - are genetically adapted to consume dairy. Nearly all mammals, and about two thirds of humans world-wide (especially in areas where cattle were not traditionally kept), stop producing lactase once they're weaned and are unable to digest lactose as a result, whereas europeans, middle easterners, some north-east asians, western indians, and some african populations have developed a mutation on the genes that produce lactase that mean its production persists into adulthood. It was an advantageous adaptation, one that allowed europeans to use cattle and sheep as a long-term, renewable food source, and allowed the mongols to use their horses as a mobile drinks dispenser.

It's as natural as any other environmental adaptation. The fact that lactase persistence has emerged multiple times in divergent populations is proof that it provides an advantage to its carriers. To call it unnatural is to deny the reality of evolution.
Ultimately the whole argument is kinda pointless since as living organisms it is our prerogative to consume matter to sustain ourselves. How we choose to do so doesn't really mean anything. As long as it works-it works, right?
 
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