The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

KrabFish

Don't know what happened to ur pine cone, fuckoff
People have complained about "unrealistic beauty standards" since magazines with airbrushed photos.
You'll see more perfected looks in movies and ads then you do in internet porn.

Yeah it's like they arent even trying any more
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UselessIdiot

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It's amazing that we have the technology to have thousands of porn videos sent directly to your phone in real time, yet 99% of women in porn look like total dogshit with tattoos, piercings, cut marks and either methed-out skeletons or slam-whale figures.

How did (((they))) manage to fuck up showing hot chicks to horny dudes?
Contemporary porn is trashy, and I don't mean that in a puritan way, I mean it in the overall feel and themes of it. It's not a surprise that it attracts trashy people as its stars and not Victoria's Secret models.
 
Body image and the beauty myth

Many pornographic films promote an unrealistic image of “beauty” by portraying very ‘slim’ and very ‘young’ people. Some advocates worry that this may contribute to low self-esteem, especially among women, or cause people to have unrealistic expectations of their sexual partners.
Jesus it's only going more extreme, now being young and not a whale is unrealistic standard. Just don't ask women what their ideal partner.

Anyways, excessive use of porn is what you get when push the regular age of marriage to late 20's.
 

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In all honesty I'd rather my future sons sneak away a Playboy to oogle some model that's been photographed in a tasteful way instead of their first exposure being some ultra hardcore BDSM video on PornHub or xhamster.
Ah yes, Playboy, which published images of nude 11 year olds.

For those who aren't aware, I'd like to point out that crack cocaine is healthier than Krokodil.
 
Porno addiction can cause such symptoms as anxiety, depression, social awkwardness, lack of motivation, lack of energy, headaches, poor memory, foggy brain, inability to talk to women, erectile dysfunction, sexual dysfunction in general and self-loathing. It can also lead to decreased muscle mass due to all your hormones being out of whack and probably some brain damage due to loss of grey matter and fried dopamine receptors.
 

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In all honesty I'd rather my future sons sneak away a Playboy to oogle some model that's been photographed in a tasteful way instead of their first exposure being some ultra hardcore BDSM video on PornHub or xhamster.
Besides, smutty magazines also have articles and typically an interview with the featured models.
Ah yes, Playboy, which published images of nude 11 year olds.

For those who aren't aware, I'd like to point out that crack cocaine is healthier than Krokodil.
Playboy had a Dutch court case where they accused an american academic of slander when she said on a Dutch tv program that Playboy had published multiple CP images over the years, of both underage naked models and drawn children in sexual/incest situations.

The courts ended up giving playboy a verdict, that yes, copyright had been broken when the tv program showed three playboy covers, but that all the other claims were completely factual and that the evidence was overwhelming for the incest/underage claim.
 

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Playboy had a Dutch court case where they accused an american academic of slander when she said on a Dutch tv program that Playboy had published multiple CP images over the years, of both underage naked models and drawn children in sexual/incest situations.

The courts ended up giving playboy a verdict, that yes, copyright had been broken when the tv program showed three playboy covers, but that all the other claims were completely factual and that the evidence was overwhelming for the incest/underage claim.
And then there's the magazine of that wonderful free speech hero, Larry Flynt.. which didn't even stop publishing 'Chester the Molester' comics when the 'artist' was in prison for molesting his daughter.
 
Porn is a slippery slope. On the one hand, it is easy to go after gemraphic, explicit sexual depictions. But on the other hand, nudism stuff and written erotica are another story in themselves. It's the whole artistic merit debate. Even today where porn is legal, there are still explicit requirements for it.

For one, you have to be at least 18 years of age to be in a pornographic picture or film, otherwise it'll be deemed child pornography. As for kinks, there are certain categories of porn that exist that are also prohibited. Such as animal crush (outlawed in 2010), "obscenity" in some cases, now bestiality, and snuff pornography. As for the last part, many people believe it doesn't exist, but history has shown us time and time again that there are plenty of sickos out there.

>“3,000 names on Yard paedophile register: Snuff films seen as ‘logical progression’ of proliferating child porn industry” - according to a newspaper in 1990, undercover FBI agents were invited to a meeting to watch snuff movies, and the fee to attend the showing alone was $10,000. (1990)
>Rory Blackhall murder - Simon Harris is found hanging in his home along with a stash of child porn and snuff movies on his computer. (2005)
>Tanya Flowerday murder - Ronnie Grimsley was jailed for life after killing Tanya after she was featured in a snuff movie where victims are raped and murdered, and police investigators also believed that the video evidence was being sold overseas. (2005)
>Murder of Jane Longhurst - Graham Coutts had kept Ms. Longhurst’s body in a storage unit that he frequently visited for over a month and frequently visited websites dedicated to snuff and necrophilia. (2004)
>Angie Jones incident - Jones, who was 15 at the time, was taken to a bedsit by her boyfriend and was passed around for sex by 5 men: Terrell Forbes, 23, Shane Sutherland, 21, Darren Wallace, 23, Philip Mighton, 23, and Ashley Campbell, 21. They were all acquitted of rape later. During the abuse, she was also forced to watch DVD snuff movies which the men remarked “we are killers you know”. (2004)
>Nick Davies murder - in an interview, Warwick Spinks was asked if he could get a journalist a sado-masochistic video featuring boys as young as 10, and Spinks replied that he knew people in Amsterdam who could: `I know, well I knew, some people who were involved in making snuff movies and how they did it was, they only sold them in limited editions, made 10 copies or something, 10 very rich customers in America, who paid $5,000 each or something like that". (2000)
>“TV personality row eclipses paedophile pornography” - according to the Irish Times, a special police unit was able to infiltrate a paedophile network, intercepting packages of pornographic material arriving by mail and then having them delivered by undercover policemen, dressed as postmen and carrying hidden cameras. Thousands of tapes and digital disks, seized during raids on 600 homes, included scenes in which minors - possibly orphans or kidnap victims, some aged only two - were raped. One videotape, costing #4, appears to have been a “snuff movie”, showing the killing of a child." (2000)
>Dmitri Vladimirovich Kuznetsov murders - Last week Italian police seized 3,000 of Kuznetsov’s videos on their way to clients in Italy, sparking an international hunt for paedophiles who have bought his products. The Italian investigators say the material includes footage of children dying during abuse. Prosecutors in Naples are considering charging those who have bought the videos with complicity in murder. They say some may have specifically requested films of killings. (2000)
>Murder of Jueleyha Akpinar - Ernst Dieter Korzen, 37, and Stefan Michael Mahn, 30, [videotaped] themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman in 1997. The victim died before the production was complete and the pair kidnapped a second woman to finish the video. But she escaped and alerted authorities, who arrested the men. (1999)
>“Necros Pedo” video - Police said on Wednesday they had arrested eight Italians suspected of belonging to a child pornography ring that traded videos over the internet, including film of Djiboutin children who were abused to death. (2000)
>Murder of Natel King - Current Affair ran a program on a woman from Ontario who appears to have been murdered in the productin of a snuff film, including the transcript. (2005)

Other than that, you also have strict age requirements for viewing which has pushed more websites towards paywalled stuff that isn't user-generated, so that CP isn't posted nor can those little kiddies look at it. So despite porn being so popular in American society now, it still remains the most highly regulated form of speech there is.
 

Niggaplease

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Porn is a slippery slope. On the one hand, it is easy to go after gemraphic, explicit sexual depictions. But on the other hand, nudism stuff and written erotica are another story in themselves. It's the whole artistic merit debate. Even today where porn is legal, there are still explicit requirements for it.

For one, you have to be at least 18 years of age to be in a pornographic picture or film, otherwise it'll be deemed child pornography. As for kinks, there are certain categories of porn that exist that are also prohibited. Such as animal crush (outlawed in 2010), "obscenity" in some cases, now bestiality, and snuff pornography. As for the last part, many people believe it doesn't exist, but history has shown us time and time again that there are plenty of sickos out there.



Other than that, you also have strict age requirements for viewing which has pushed more websites towards paywalled stuff that isn't user-generated, so that CP isn't posted nor can those little kiddies look at it. So despite porn being so popular in American society now, it still remains the most highly regulated form of speech there is.
The problem I think isnt neccesarily the consumption of porn, it's the production of porn, and the fact any legislation to possibly protect its workers can drive underground. If I remember correctly I think California passed a regulation that made it mandatory to use condoms in porn; as a result because of the regulation business moved to states that didn't have it. Therefore rendering the point moot. I'm all for regulation as porn should be accessible produced ethically consensually and in a manner that protects the worker from risks. :/ right now only states dictate regulations, w/o federal regulations porn will never be guaranteed to be ethically produced. This isnt like meat where your choice only affects your conscience.
 
The problem I think isnt neccesarily the consumption of porn, it's the production of porn, and the fact any legislation to possibly protect its workers can drive underground. If I remember correctly I think California passed a regulation that made it mandatory to use condoms in porn; as a result because of the regulation business moved to states that didn't have it. Therefore rendering the point moot. I'm all for regulation as porn should be accessible produced ethically consensually and in a manner that protects the worker from risks. :/ right now only states dictate regulations, w/o federal regulations porn will never be guaranteed to be ethically produced. This isnt like meat where your choice only affects your conscience.

I mean, even if the federal government regulated it, the industry would just move out of the country.
 

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here's the deal you fucking niggers, if you heard a joke and said "that was fun" you would be grammatically incorrect. the difference between funny and fun is that funny is something that has acted on you while fun is something you do

also, cooming isn't necessarily bad, just don't get addicted to hardcore porn
 

Niggaplease

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I mean, even if the federal government regulated it, the industry would just move out of the country.
You could ban porn produced out the country, especially given that certain countries have a low age of consent as well and or lack the teeth to regulate cp theres always a risk cp would be found on porn hub. I mean shit japan didnt criminalize cp until fairly recently, so even still if you want porn sites to be accessible in the usa it should be a requirement that all porn for usa consumption to be produced in the usa and be audited frequently to ensure compliance. With only certain outside based companies allowed that is willing to contract on our terms.
The problem is an overall lack of government oversight like in regular work. We have osha to ensure work place safety, I cant see why they simply can't extend that into the porn industry. If Americans view porn than that porn should be subject to our laws, or it should be banned. Countries ban shit all the time I dont see why we cant do that if its blatantly obvious that big porn wont regulate on their own.
 
You could ban porn produced out the country, especially given that certain countries have a low age of consent as well and or lack the teeth to regulate cp theres always a risk cp would be found on porn hub. I mean shit japan didnt criminalize cp until fairly recently, so even still if you want porn sites to be accessible in the usa it should be a requirement that all porn for usa consumption to be produced in the usa and be audited frequently to ensure compliance. With only certain outside based companies allowed that is willing to contract on our terms.
The problem is an overall lack of government oversight like in regular work. We have osha to ensure work place safety, I cant see why they simply can't extend that into the porn industry. If Americans view porn than that porn should be subject to our laws, or it should be banned. Countries ban shit all the time I dont see why we cant do that if its blatantly obvious that big porn wont regulate on their own.

First of all, you are talking about banning porn on the internet. It would be impossible to implement and unenforceable. The federal government doesn't have the mechanisms, power, or the will to do that. Any blanket attempt to ban porn would probably run into legal scrutiny and end up in the courts. It would be just the case to finally get the Supreme Court to overturn the increasingly irrelevant and embattled obscenity laws that U.S. has and never uses. And as I said, the federal government is never going to waste time implementing a blanket ban on porn. No party has the political capital to attempt something like that. There are already people in government (like Kamala Harris) talking about decriminalizing or legalizing prostitution. You think they are going to 180 and attempt to ban porn?
 

Niggaplease

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First of all, you are talking about banning porn on the internet. It would be impossible to implement and unenforceable. The federal government doesn't have the mechanisms, power, or the will to do that. Any blanket attempt to ban porn would probably run into legal scrutiny and end up in the courts. It would be just the case to finally get the Supreme Court to overturn the increasingly irrelevant and embattled obscenity laws that U.S. has and never uses. And as I said, the federal government is never going to waste time implementing a blanket ban on porn. No party has the political capital to attempt something like that. There are already people in government (like Kamala Harris) talking about decriminalizing or legalizing prostitution. You think they are going to 180 and attempt to ban porn?
You misread, I said ban overseas production on porn. Netflix has implementations to limit what a consumer may view based off geographical data on the user account. It netflix can greylock like that, I dont see why it isnt possible for major porn site can do it. Simply put if Americans want to consume porn there should be a way to ensure what they are consuming is legal an ethical.
 
You misread, I said ban overseas production on porn. Netflix has implementations to limit what a consumer may view based off geographical data on the user account. It netflix can greylock like that, I dont see why it isnt possible for major porn site can do it. Simply put if Americans want to consume porn there should be a way to ensure what they are consuming is legal an ethical.

Your missing the point. Why would anyone do that? What would be the incentive? People will just go to sites that don't lock them out to get their porn fix, of which there would be many based overseas and outside the reach of U.S. law and nothing the government could do to stop them.
 
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