The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

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Lemmingwise

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You see the same time and time again in history in regards to prostitution. Take for example japan occupied by the US. In order to curb rape by US soldiers, the japanese decided to open brothels for US troops. Japanese women who worked these could tell themselves they were protecting other women from rape. Rape numbers dropped considerably (coincidently disproving the feminist myth that rape is about power, not sex, but I don't think anyone here was under that delusion).

Really? Why?
Because if it was about power, rape would increase or decrease based on the amount of power people had. But it increases and decreases on the amount of sex they had.
 

Groon

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In the current sticky by Null, he says that "pornography makes you socially exceptional and exposes you to strange fetishes, which is why all trannies are pornography addicts".

What if the reverse is true: people who are socially exceptional resort to porn because they can't get laid? And those who are attracted to the strange fetishes is because they're mentally messed up to start with?

Well, a little socially exceptional guy could see his state aggravated by sick porn. Also the little mentally messed paraphilic.
 

SSj_Ness

Time to rape organized crime
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I'm not for banning it outright as that can be a slippery slope. However, greatly limiting its ease of access is important. It doesn't have (m?)any positive effects on society, but there's measurable negative effects. Just like smoking/drugs/booze, I think it should be legal but restricted.
 

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz

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I'm not for banning it outright as that can be a slippery slope. However, greatly limiting its ease of access is important. It doesn't have (m?)any positive effects on society, but there's measurable negative effects. Just like smoking/drugs/booze, I think it should be legal but restricted.
Not sure how "restricting" it would be any less of a slippery slope than banning it, nor how that would even be possible with the power of the internet and issue of running into constitutional questions.
 

emptyblu

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Why is the woke crew so defensive over porn? I thought the male gaze was evil? They need to stop watching porn and cover up any sexy women present in order to cleanse themselves from their sins.

But in all seriousness I don’t get it? Ok so sexy women in media are bad, but sexy women doing porn isn’t bad? Can someone explain to me why the latter is ok but the first one is offensive?
 
The debate about obscenity, pornography, and its relations to notions of free speech probably goes back to the first dirty drawings on cave walls. Recently within online right wing circles, there has become a strong movement to support the banning pornography, specifically internet pornography, or at the very least greatly limit its ease of access. But even in scenes where the word "Degenerate" fills the same function as "Bigot" among liberals, this notion of banning porn or placing stricter regulations is not without critics. The most common criticism is the potential to violate rights relating to freedom of speech. Another common argument is the possibility of anti-porn legislation being used as cover for more draconian internet censorship.

Andrew Torba, who runs Gab, a twitter alternative who's main selling point is its commitment to free speech, recently announced that all pornography would be banned from Gab, and has gone a days long tirade on twitter about how pornography is bad, is not free speech, and does not go against Gab's core commitment to freespeech. This spergout is what promoted this thread, as Torba is not without support, at least on the position at large.

Here are the rough Bullet Points for both cases

Anti-Porn
  • Porn is addictive
  • Porn hurts sexual and mental health
  • Porn damages relationships
  • It is not free speech, and should not be protected as such
  • Parents are unable to effectively combat porn's encroachment due to pervasive internet access, and need legislative assistance
  • It goes against religious and spiritual dictatum
Anti-Porn Ban/Regulations
  • Banning porn would just create an unregulated black market, like with drugs and CP
  • Pornographic materials can be considered forms of free expression and speech
  • People should be free to decide what to and not to consume
  • Pornography is produced by consenting adult/s with consenting buyers/consumers
  • More push of big government into people's lives
  • Regulations against porn would just be used as a tool of censorship outside of its anti-coomer scope
  • Parents should be responsible for parenting their own children, and not rely on government to do their job for them
I'm holding back my own opinion, in hopes of getting a shitshow discussion going on the issue, and so Torba's thread won't dissolve more into Pro and Anti coomer rhetoric. So please, feel more than free to freely express your opinion on the matter. Just don't flash a titty if you do.
Don't try to frame the argument.

Either you want infinite fake women or a few real women?

The people have voted. Infinite fake wins.
 

Kamikirimushi

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While I do think porn should be banned, it's basically impossible to do so on a logistical front with the advent of the Internet and social media. I would be satisfied if pornography was extremely hard for kids to get access to though because that's where the bulk of the damage lies (in addition to the actresses basically being sex trafficked unironically by Jewish execs and the like). If you can do that, then millions of kids will grow up to have less warped expectations out of sex and relationships. The problem is that involves being aware of what your kids are doing and who they are hanging out with and generally being a good parent, things most parents either don't want to do or literally forget how to do.
Why is the woke crew so defensive over porn? I thought the male gaze was evil? They need to stop watching porn and cover up any sexy women present in order to cleanse themselves from their sins.

But in all seriousness I don’t get it? Ok so sexy women in media are bad, but sexy women doing porn isn’t bad? Can someone explain to me why the latter is ok but the first one is offensive?
Because liberals and leftists (not necessarily all of them but most of them) are fake, gay and exceptional (they don't believe anything they say and just use it as a way to attack sane Christian social norms so they literally contradict themselves and live out degenerate lifestyles in order to get standard conservatives mad and gloat over it). It's why they can rant about hating capitalism while being extreme consumers of the products of megacorporations and hate small businesses/blue collar workers; they know they don't believe any of that shit.
 

Kosher Snake

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The problem is that involves being aware of what your kids are doing and who they are hanging out with and generally being a good parent, things most parents either don't want to do or literally forget how to do.
This tbh, also if you think about it, this caused the stupid COPPA shit to pull through which made youtube(not sure about other video hosting places so yeah) go from fukkin terrible to much more terrible
I'm not for banning it outright as that can be a slippery slope. However, greatly limiting its ease of access is important. It doesn't have (m?)any positive effects on society, but there's measurable negative effects. Just like smoking/drugs/booze, I think it should be legal but restricted.
well, a better method is to foster a cultural attitude that veers away from coomerism but at the same time not outright biblethumperism
im not saying its an easier method than the run-of-the-mill regulation, its certainly more difficult than making the government come up with a shitty bandaid solution that only serves to kick the ball down the road so that the next generations would have to deal with it

i guess it comes down to fostering better parenting from parents
 

SSj_Ness

Time to rape organized crime
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This tbh, also if you think about it, this caused the stupid COPPA shit to pull through which made youtube(not sure about other video hosting places so yeah) go from fukkin terrible to much more terrible

well, a better method is to foster a cultural attitude that veers away from coomerism but at the same time not outright biblethumperism
im not saying its an easier method than the run-of-the-mill regulation, its certainly more difficult than making the government come up with a shitty bandaid solution that only serves to kick the ball down the road so that the next generations would have to deal with it

i guess it comes down to fostering better parenting from parents
I don't really see a strong position without the religious aspect though. If we're just randomly existing sacks of flesh and nerves, why not induce stimulation? Should be no different than blowing our nose or burping.
 

DerKryptid

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I don't really see a way out without the religious aspect. If we're just randomly existing sacks of flesh and nerves, why not induce stimulation? Should be no different than blowing our nose or burping.
The only way secularists can justify not watching porn is if they take a hardline utilitarian position and argue that human trafficking is a net loss in the pleasure of trafficked women. Of course, you still got coomers who don't care muh peepee feel gud
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz

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The only way secualists can justify not watching porn is if they take a hardline utilitarian position and argue that human trafficking is a net loss in the pleasure of trafficked women. Of course, you still got coomers who don't care muh peepee feel gud
If you want an example of how people try to justify not watching porn without using religion as a major argument, check out that "Fight the New Drug" website.
 
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ReturnedHermit

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The only way secularists can justify not watching porn is if they take a hardline utilitarian position and argue that human trafficking is a net loss in the pleasure of trafficked women. Of course, you still got coomers who don't care muh peepee feel gud
The only way secularists can justify not watching porn is if they take a hardline utilitarian position and argue that human trafficking is a net loss in the pleasure of trafficked women. Of course, you still got coomers who don't care muh peepee feel gud
At least preface your statement with "as a nihilist" when you're going to claim there is only one right answer.
Obviously the notion that everything is pointless has a hard time deciding what action, if any, to take. Some people might consider nihilism an extension of hedonism where pleasure is derived from abolishing all types of thought associated with making value judgments, but I'm not that kind of guy. If nihilists were being honest to begin with there would be far fewer of them.
Anyways, the hardline utilitarian position would be to masturbate only when necessary and as safely as possible. Porn as an industry is exploiting primitive urges and creates addicts. Addictions, generally speaking, have negative health outcomes distinct from what we would consider healthy behaviors. If you can't find a utility for addiction that is greater than the benefit it isn't passing a utilitarian test. Sex workers and their lifetimes of misery are a miniscule loss compared to the man hours spent worldwide on jerking off.
Porn provides an unhealthy alternative to something nearly every person wants. This unhealthy alternative does not facilitate progress towards healthier options over time. There is also evidence that porn use results in changes to the desires a person has that motivate porn consumption to begin with. The changes trend toward experiences the person is less likely to achieve in reality, furthering their dependence on fantasy for satisfaction.
To me, porn is indefensible, but so are fast food, soda, Vicodin, and ideology. Should we ban these things? I don't think so. I think the better solution is to find what it is that creates demand for them to begin with and fix those problems. If everyone can have satisfying sex when they want it then it should take care of itself for the most part.
Forcing people to abandon self destructive habits is just adding insult to injury. Instead we should arrange society such that there is no motivation to engage in them. Some might call that utopianism, but in the case of porn I think it's just alleviating existing dystopianism.
 
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