The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

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My idea is treat it like alcohol- but this brings about the issue of "how". One idea I thought of was for parents to have a mandatory parental control setting in a kid's PC and iphone, then at least future gens can grow up normally and not fester in socially awkward discord chats etc. Or have some PSA that you can jerk off just fine at home without running around half naked in leather gear, pretending to be a horse.
But my opinions towards porn and 'what I would make society do if I were king' shit is to treat is like alcohol; scratching your itch is fine but don't over-do it.
 

UnclePhil

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I've seen arguments against porn that sounded like someone from /pol/ wrote themm and I've seen arguments for it that read like a letter to Penthouse. We are destined to have this dance forever as long as our sex drives clash with our values changing over time.

Addictive? Yes. Potentially damaging? Yes. Porn isn't, and never was, reality. Porn is a glamour show designed to get one to their nut faster (and until rampant piracy became the norm, paying for it.) The moment you forget that, step back. When you are wanking to the studio lit AVN blowjob award winner more than sexing the SO in your house, get off the computer and fuck them. If you are above age 17 and painting the walls white instead of going outside, that is not normal. Stop. Yeah, men need to get rid of sperm. Yeah, backed up cum is a pain in the ass. Have you rubbed the skin off your dick? Stop. Same as if gamepad handles have burned calluses into your palms. Stop.

Regulation will only cause more problems. Moderation is key. Humans are stupid with their impulses, but we will never finish growing up with a nanny state over our shoulder.

As for the children. I agree that porn companies have gotten irresponsible when it comes to keeping that shit under the lid (whatever happened to the "You must 18 to enter" page?) But stop giving your 6th graders smart phones. We were able to find them just fine when those didn't exist. Stop letting them play on the Internet behind their bedroom door. Stop making excuses and talk to them instead of pretending they aren't using PornHub for sex ed. They are, and that needs to stop.
 

JethroTullamore

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In no way am I for regulation in any form, the less forceful government intervention in my life, the better.
George Orwell is already rolling over in his grave for Christ’s sake.
I will say that parents need to take an active part in restricting their kids internet use, this isn’t the days of sneaking dads Playboys or static laden side boob on TV anymore.


That being said, I do wonder how different my life may have been had I not been exposed to everything from hardcore BDSM to furry porn at the age of 12.
 

FunPosting101

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There's nothing wrong with porn in and of itself, there may be some shady practices underlying the industry, but consenting adults producing pornography is no more or less offensive then anything else consenting adults do. Real life child porn is already illegal, which is honestly my only real area of concern regarding porn.

Being "addicted to porn" isn't actually a thing, because Porn isn't actually addictive in the way that something like cocaine or meth are addictive, rather porn can be psychologically addictive, I.E habit forming. Literally any activity that you enjoy can be habit forming, so if we ban porn for that reason you have just set the precedent for banning literally anything fun and/or enjoyable.
 

Terrorist

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What the founding fathers meant when they wrote the 1st Amendment was a leather-jacketed pagan called "Styxhexenhammer666" jerking off to half-caste transsexual prostitutes like "Lilith Lovett" on BLACKED.COM. GWash, Thomas Jefferson, and all the rest of them would side with Lilith and Styx (sounds like a wonderful polycule) over guys like Matt Walsh. If you don't buy that, you're an insane nazi and just as bad as the left.

^ This is what coomers actually believe.
 
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Spooky Bones

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Watching pornography rewires the brain to a more juvenile state
Pornography has existed throughout recorded history, transforming with the introduction of each new medium. Hundreds of sexually explicit frescoes and sculptures were found in the Mount Vesuvius ruins of Pompeii.
Since the advent of the internet, porn use has skyrocketed to dizzying heights. Pornhub, the world’s largest free porn site, received over 33.5 billion site visits during 2018 alone.
Science is only just beginning to reveal the neurological repercussions of porn consumption. But it is already clear that the mental health and sex lives of its widespread audience are suffering catastrophic effects. From depression to erectile dysfunction, porn appears to be hijacking our neural wiring with dire consequences.
In my own lab, we study the neural wiring that underlies learning and memory processes. The properties of video porn make it a particularly powerful trigger for plasticity, the brain’s ability to change and adapt as a result of experience. Combined with the accessibility and anonymity of online porn consumption, we are more vulnerable than ever to its hyper-stimulating effects.


Impacts of porn consumption
In the long term, pornography seems to create sexual dysfunctions, especially the inability to achieve erection or orgasm with a real life partner. Marital quality and commitment to one’s romantic partner also appear to be compromised.
To try to explain these effects, some scientists have drawn parallels between porn consumption and substance abuse. Through evolutionary design, the brain is wired to respond to sexual stimulation with surges of dopamine. This neurotransmitter, most often associated with reward anticipation, also acts to program memories and information into the brain. This adaption means that when the body requires something, like food or sex, the brain remembers where to return to experience the same pleasure.
Instead of turning to a romantic partner for sexual gratification or fulfillment, habituated porn users instinctively reach for their phones and laptops when desire comes calling. Furthermore, unnaturally strong explosions of reward and pleasure evoke unnaturally strong degrees of habituation in the brain. Psychiatrist Norman Doidge explains:
Porn scenes, like addictive substances, are hyper-stimulating triggers that lead to unnaturally high levels of dopamine secretion. This can damage the dopamine reward system and leave it unresponsive to natural sources of pleasure. This is why users begin to experience difficulty in achieving arousal with a physical partner.
Beyond dysfunction
The desensitization of our reward circuitry sets the stage for sexual dysfunctions to develop, but the repercussions don’t end there. Studies show that changes in the transmission of dopamine can facilitate depression and anxiety. In agreement with this observation, porn consumers report greater depressive symptoms, lower quality of life and poorer mental health compared to those who don’t watch porn.
The other compelling finding in this study is that compulsive porn consumers find themselves wanting and needing more porn, even though they don’t necessarily like it. This disconnect between wanting and liking is a hallmark feature of reward circuitry dysregulation.
Following a similar line of inquiry, researchers at the Max Planck Institute in Berlin, Germany, found that higher porn use correlated with less brain activation in response to conventional pornographic imagery. This explains why users tend to graduate to more extreme and unconventional forms of porn.
Pornhub analytics reveal that conventional sex is decreasingly interesting to users and is being replaced by themes like incest and violence.


Pornography viewers are increasingly choosing more violent forms of pornography; this may be attributed to the desensitizing effect of regular consumption. (Shutterstock)
The perpetuation of sexual violence online is particularly troubling, as rates of real-life incidences may escalate as a result. Some scientists attribute this relationship to the action of mirror neurons. These brain cells are aptly named because they fire when the individual performs an action but also while observing the same action performed by someone else.
The regions of the brain that are active when someone is viewing porn are the same regions of the brain that are active while the person is actually having sex. Marco Iacoboni, a professor of psychiatry at University of California Los Angeles, speculates that these systems have the potential to spread violent behavior: “the mirror mechanism in the brain also suggests that we are automatically influenced by what we perceive, thus proposing a plausible neurobiological mechanism for contagion of violent behavior.
Though speculative, this suggested association between porn, mirror neurons and increased rates of sexual violence serves as an ominous warning. While high porn consumption may not drive viewers to harrowing extremes, it is likely to change behaviour in other ways.
Moral development
Porn use has been correlated with erosion of the prefrontal cortex — the region of the brain that houses executive functions like morality, willpower and impulse control.
To better understand the role of this structure in behaviour, it’s important to know that it remains underdeveloped during childhood. This is why children struggle to regulate their emotions and impulses. Damage to the prefrontal cortex in adulthood is termed hypofrontality, which predisposes an individual to behave compulsively and make poor decisions.
It’s somewhat paradoxical that adult entertainment may revert our brain wiring to a more juvenile state. The much greater irony is that while porn promises to satisfy and provide sexual gratification, it delivers the opposite.
 

Spooky Bones

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Are you going to be the arbitrator of whether or not pornstar-A actually gave consent when she signed the contract?
No you exceptional, I'm advocating for banning at least the production of porn and commercial distribution of porn. Let the coomers noncommercially torrent what already exists in terms of relatively soft shit while going after the distribution of really degenerate shit on the same level as CP.
 

Yellow Yam Scam

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Are you going to be the arbitrator of whether or not pornstar-A actually gave consent when she signed the contract?
Sure. I'll do the work if no one else will. Women can't even figure out how to bench press, the idea that they should be allowed to decide if they want to ruin their lives or not by doing porn is absurd.
 

He Who Points And Laughs

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imagine being enough of a coomer as to get so mad with someone dissing your porn waifus and their semitic exploitators as to cycle through multiple different kinds of negative rating (and yes someone already used "disagree" and "islamic" you're fresh out)
I'm not even into porn. But you wanting to ban it is Islamic. You might feel right at home with the religious police of Saudi Arabia.
 

Spooky Bones

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I'm not even into porn. But you wanting to ban it is Islamic. You might feel right at home with the religious police of Saudi Arabia.
A society that doesn't ban porn is degenerate as fuck. I don't understand why this is even an issue. Oh wait, I do. Coomers and Jews, bad news. The fact that people make it a civil liberties issue is fucking exceptional as all hell. How is making porn a civil liberty?
 

He Who Points And Laughs

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A society that doesn't ban porn is degenerate as fuck. I don't understand why this is even an issue. Oh wait, I do. Coomers and Jews, bad news. The fact that people make it a civil liberties issue is fucking exceptional as all hell. How is making porn a civil liberty?
Japan has a massive porn industry and is a helluva lot more "conservative" than the USA when it comes to ethics, manners, and general decency. This jihad against porn is similar to the jihad against prostitution.

Sex is legal, selling stuff is legal, so why is selling sex illegal?

And yes, it is a civil liberty issue. Who are you to dictate what any other person does in their own lives?
 

Lemmingwise

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Japan has a massive porn industry and is a helluva lot more "conservative" than the USA when it comes to ethics, manners, and general decency. This jihad against porn is similar to the jihad against prostitution.
Japan is occupied territory in the same way that vichy france was. The reason that porn has proliferated to such a degree in both Germany and Japan may be the result of the leadership.

Sex is legal, selling stuff is legal, so why is selling sex illegal?
Because there's a huge gap between commercial sex and recreational sex and procreational sex.

Prostitution is legal in my country. The argument went that it could be better controlled and monitored, as well as that they would pay tax on their earnings. The result is that the Netherlands has become a hub in sex trafficking and that neighborhood after neighborhood that had red light districts are getting closed down, because of the deleterious effects on neighborhoods around it. There's something strongly negative on the morale and spirit of people to see the daily large lines of cars before and after work hours around the red light districts. It's hard to describe how seedy it is.

It also makes being a "loverboy" as they're called here rather lucrative, where guys try to seduce socially isolated underage girls, get them in love with them and then gradually turn them into a prostitute.

There are a lot of help resources available, but under threats, prostitutes rarely dare to speak out, even when it's obvious they're not doing it out of free will.

Often they are lured from eastern europe with promises of scholarship or otherwise.

I don't think forbidding prostitution is necessarily the solution, it's one of those things that doesn't have a certain solution as we continue to juggle on how to deal with it. But to presume that prostitution is no different than selling a potato is misunderstanding the reality of most prostitution is like.
 
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He Who Points And Laughs

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Japan is occupied territory in the same way that vichy france was. The reason that porn has proliferated to such a degree in both Germany and Japan may be the result of the leadership.
Nah, Germans and the Japanese love sex. But that doesn't turn their society into a dystopian nightmare like modern day Detroit. The mass immigration of 3rd world leeches is a real issue. Germany is dealing with the consequences of it, and Japan smartly avoids it by limiting immigration to a tiny trickle.

Porn is not the bogeyman. It's just fuck videos. Not high art, nor the end of civility.
 
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