The Great Reset | World Economic Forum Megathread

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I got to thinking.

Konmari cleaning method, Swedish death cleaning, minimalism. Could it all have been being made popular in an attempt to get everyone used to the idea of not having stuff?

I shall continue to hoard like a dragon purely for spite.
I mean, if you want to get into all that, the meme goes back all the way to The Jetsons. They owned nothing. Everything was supplied by their apartment as they needed it, including transportation, and everything was completely disposable and single-use. It probably goes even earlier to Thomas More's Utopia, though the limits of technology at the time limited the sort of world that he could imagine. Nevertheless, that world supplied all the needs of its inhabitants, who wanted for nothing and therefore owned nothing.

It's a mistake to ascribe intent to fads and fasionable ideas. These faddish concepts might cleave into the "great reset" zeitgeist, but that doesn't mean they're an intentional push towards it.
 

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There are a lot of ways of exfiltrating information from airgapped computers, but they require highly specific and highly unlikely real-world circumstances. They're almost entirely the domain of intellectual exercise and "what if we do X" experiments; notches on the autistic "I broke this" leader board. They have little real-world application, and what application they do have is so specific as to be essentially useless. In the competition between an arcane, involved, specific targeted attack and a general socially-engineered infiltration, the latter always wins because it's just so easy. Attacks like stuxnet didn't rely on anything more involved than a few spear-fished emails and waiting for some idiot to plug an infected USB drive into the right computer. An attack of that sort is guaranteed to work, because it operates on the assumption that idiots will always exist.

Don't be conned by high-tech blather; the simplest, most reliable way of extracting information from a targeted network is simple social engineering. Always has been, always will be.
Late, but he could be talking about burying a cell modem in the equipment,
Bluetooth tethering and… I dunno, hiding a WiFi router or something? All of those require the internet though. So if he truly meant without internet then he’s talking about some weird leased line shit.
 

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Net Zero Carbon Emissions is a nice dream, but try telling China and India to change their ways. Especially the former.
hence nato being "left with no choice" but to unleash the final Delta/Lambda/Sigma grindset variant this flu season and reduce the world population to roughly a billion. stuff like troon trending was introduced by pharma in the west to make a quick buck, but also to experiment getting people to voluntarily sterilize themselves. after all, growth in the white countries needs to be curtailed somewhat, just like living minimalist any little bit helps. the real payday was the vaccines though.

the way you survive the Great Reset is to chill out, you already have. if you're reading this forum outside of the global south and are double vaxxed, you are already ordained to continue having surplus value extracted from your labor by the elites after the great culling of the undesirables
 

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Aaaand we are back to being massively autistic. Good job being coherent for about 5 minutes though.
After mulling it over for a good long while, I suppose I should further clarify what I meant about “abolishing suffering”.

The goal of any economy is to abolish some quantity of suffering. Without material goods, people experience suffering. People go hungry for lack of food, they die of hypothermia for lack of shelter and clothing, and so on. People make goods for each other, socially, because living in the state of nature is rough. So, in other words, we can say that an economy is a system that allows people to provide each other with a satisfying quantity of material goods, for a given value of satisfaction.

The problems start when someone way high up in the food chain decides that you are receiving too many material goods, and at of too high a quality, to be environmentally sustainable. So, without consulting you at all, they decide to start using medical interventions on you to change you psychologically and alter the threshold at which material satiety occurs. This is not hard to do in principle, and it's a staple of science fiction. In Larry Niven's Ringworld, there are people called "wireheads" who literally have an implant that stimulates the pleasure centers of their brain. In Neal Asher's Polity series, some people have implants that let them tune specific emotions up and down. If someone wants to party, they can drop aggression and stress responses and boost libido as easily as using the sliders on a fucking equalizer on your stereo. In the real world, experiments with neural implants, even decades upon decades ago, have shown that it is theoretically possible to manipulate human and animal behavior with electrical impulses directed into the brain.


We've come a long way since Jose Delgado stuck electrodes in the brains of bulls back in the 1950s and hit a remote-control pushbutton that literally made charging bulls stop inches from him. We now have the Utah Array, Neuralink, and who knows what the hell else.


When people talk about mind control, what they usually envision is a human being remote-piloted, forced to do things they wouldn't otherwise do, like a living RC car, moving their limbs by remote like a zombie, and so on. However, this is by far not the most frightening application of the technology. On the contrary, its chief tyrannical use would be in the implantation of subtle suggestions into people's minds, generally guiding their behavior according to a single, one-size-fits-all template and not forcing them to do anything in specific.

Imagine, for instance, if you could suppress desire in a person by generating, in their mind, an endless sense of satisfaction buoyed by serotonin, oxytocin, and dopamine release stimulated by externally-delivered impulses. For the past century, there have been riots and demonstrations all over the globe centered on class issues and declining living standards. If you're one of the Elites, you'd probably want some way to nip this in the bud as quickly and efficiently as possible. There is one way to stop people from demonstrating. If you lower the satiety threshold for material goods by making people endlessly satisfied, people will be happy to live in squalor. Someone could be made to be quite happy to live in a 30 square foot cage and eat nothing but instant ramen packets for the entirety of their natural life, provided they were fitted with a Droud from Ringworld, and the pleasure center of their brain was constantly stimulated to a degree that they experience the same (or greater) satisfaction than what the material goods would have given them. And just like that, their carbon footprint is now much smaller. See? All we had to do was erase their naughty desires to have things like, oh, a three-bedroom house and a two-car garage that they own outright and pay no interest on. Now their anxiety is gone and they’re content with living in a cuckbarrel and eating bugs.

This is what is meant by Klaus Schwab by "you will own nothing and you will be happy". It’s Huxleyan social control. They aim to use transhumanism and medical interventions to alter the satiety threshold such that people are satisfied with vastly reduced living standards; owning nothing, renting everything, and so on.

There really is no limit to how far this process can go. At all. It could be taken to truly absurd levels, if we wished it. If we determined that the most energy-efficient and safest way to operate a human brain was to literally extricate it from an infant's skull, stuff it in a vat, and feed it a simulated reality with endless pleasure for its entire "lifespan" without it ever touching a single natural resource aside from the electricity generated for its life support system, we would do that. The next step after that, of course, is getting rid of the brain entirely and replacing it with a computer that emulates its function, a.k.a. "Substrate-Independent Minds".


This would cure death, obviously. Still doesn't do anything about the impending heat death of the universe, but it would cure death for the time being. It would also stop crime, war, chronic pain and anxiety, and everything else nasty about humanity, by forbidding people to physically contact each other, and only allowing them to virtually contact one another with mutual consent. It's kind of hard to rape or murder someone if you're a brain in a vat or a personality in a mainframe and have no arms or legs. It’s also kind of hard to feel pain or anxiety if your hardware does not permit you to feel pain at all. This is the transhumanist idea of utopia; the eventual elimination of the human body itself as a redundant and frail sack of meat and its replacement with machinery that literally cannot feel negative emotions or cause harm to others.


Sentience-Research: How would you define “transhumanism”?
David Pearce:
Transhumanism is the directed evolution of improved humans. Transhumanists aspire to a “triple S” civilisation of superintelligence, superlongevity and superhappiness.
These three “supers” need unpacking.

Superhappiness sounds straightforward enough. Darwinian life is racked by suffering. Misery and discontent have been adaptive. Imminent mastery of our genetic source code means the entire biosphere will soon be programmable. The level of suffering – and bliss – in the living world will be an adjustable parameter. The reward circuitry of human and nonhuman animals can be genetically upgraded. A new motivational architecture is feasible – life based entirely on information-sensitive gradients of well-being. A few genetic outliers today display hints of such a blissful psychology. Such “hyperthymic” folk are exceptional. Low mood is more common. Bodily malaise is more widespread than vibrant physical well-being too. In future, humans and then transhumans will recalibrate the hedonic treadmill, ratchet up pain-thresholds and hedonic set-points, and create a civilisation based entirely on gradients of bliss – eventually, superhuman bliss beyond the bounds of normal human experience.

Superlongevity entails overcoming the biology of aging. Inorganic robots can be repaired and upgraded indefinitely. No fundamental law of Nature forbids sentient biological machines – and tomorrow’s cyborg hybrids – from enjoying indefinite youthful lifespans as well. Here the molecular-biological details are sketchier. Realistically, today’s oldsters won’t make the transition to perpetual youth – although Aubrey de Grey (Ending Aging, 2007) is more optimistic about timescales. But transhumanists have a fall-back strategy: cryonics and maybe cryothanasia. So aging life-lovers needn’t miss out. If you want to wake up a hundred or thousand years from now, you needn’t abandon hope – if you sign up to be cryonically suspended. Understandably, sceptics abound. Even if cryonics technically succeeds, will the reanimated, repaired and maybe enhanced person who awakes centuries hence still be me? If you’re an angst-ridden soul who wakes up troubled by the worry you might be a different person from your namesake who fell asleep last night, then no – strictly speaking, enduring metaphysical egos are a fiction. But otherwise, if you’re afraid of oblivion, consider signing up for cryonics until the superlongevity revolution matures.

Superintelligence is trickiest to define. Transhumanists differ radically on its nature. Here’s a crude trichotomy.
Biological Transhumanists envisage full-spectrum superintelligence as our AI-augmented and genetically-rewritten descendants.

Kurzweilian “Singularitarians” foresee a complete fusion of humans and our machines as the exponential growth of computer power accelerates, perhaps embracing “mind uploading” to a less perishable digital substrate – maybe as soon as the middle of this century (cf. The Singularity is Near, 2005).

Intelligence Explosion theorists combine Moore’s law of the exponential growth of computer power with the idea of recursively self-improving software-based AI that leads to a runaway explosion of machine superintelligence. The fate of humans on this scenario is uncertain.

Some transhumanists would add further “supers”. What about super-empathy? And what about a superhuman capacity to explore alien state-spaces of consciousness – so-called psychedelic transhumanism? But as shorthand, the term “full-spectrum superintelligence” encompasses them all.

The people who are irritated by things like this are often very OCD, very autistic, and very meticulous, and they have a general detestation of violence, pain, ill-health, and everything else that comes with the human condition. Imagine being one of these busybodies. Imagine not being able to take your mind off of human suffering, ever, at any time. Imagine never being able to stop thinking about rape, murder, war, disease, et cetera, and cognizing that all of these things are presently occurring somewhere in the word; a penis is going into an unwilling vagina, a bullet or knife into an unwilling neck or head, a diseased mosquito’s proboscis into someone’s skin. It’s an endless and nigh-on-Freudian obsession with the unwanted penetration of grim reality into human affairs. That is what consumes the mind of a transhumanist, and that is why they are so desperate to alter human nature; they are afflicted by an endless fear of fucking; of the violent coercion intrinsic to human nature, and the way it straddles the line between life and death. To some extent, we all are. It’s just that some people feel it more acutely than others.



Now, this all brings us back to the economy. If the purpose of the economy is to satisfy human needs, and the Elites of society have decided that our needs are intolerably excessive because those needs are human, then it stands to reason that they'd want to redefine what being human fundamentally is. After a certain point, the economy ceases to exist as a concept. Brains in vats have no need of an "economy". They just exist absurdly, perhaps for the purpose of sheer hedonistic experience. If an economy is defined as a system that satisfies human needs, and people are no longer human and no longer have human needs, then we will transit into a system that’s not just post-scarcity, but actually post-economics. The economy will cease to have any meaning at all.

In essence, what they are trying to do is immanentize the eschaton. It’s the old dream of communism revived. They want to create a paradise without work, without scarcity, and without suffering; an endless, automated cornucopia of plenty. To do that, they want to completely, fundamentally rewrite human nature with technology, up to and including gene editing, mind uploading, neural laces, et cetera, but that's for later. The first order of business is to make people satisfied with very, very minimalistic, prison-like living standards. They can't be allowed to rebel, riot, or demonstrate in huge crowds, since that would just interfere. So, their desires must be suppressed; either chemically, with drugs, or electronically, with implants.

Think about the psychopathy that generates the kind of mind that would propose any of this. In under a century, our jobs have been shipped off to the third world, and the third world has polluted the fuck out of the planet while letting rich billionaire industrialists and their Wall Street financier buddies run off with all the spoils. Then, after years and years of us importing thousands of tons of stupid crap using nasty container ships burning tar-like heavy fuel oils, these same fuckers who got us into this mess and shaped this economy specifically to pocket everything and give working people absolutely nothing of value in return now have the gall to turn around and claim that we're ruining the planet and we need them to help guide us into a new era.

If these people succeed, humanity is fucked. There’s no telling what the hell they would replace us with.
 

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After mulling it over for a good long while, I suppose I should further clarify what I meant about “abolishing suffering”.

The goal of any economy is to abolish some quantity of suffering. Without material goods, people experience suffering. People go hungry for lack of food, they die of hypothermia for lack of shelter and clothing, and so on. People make goods for each other, socially, because living in the state of nature is rough. So, in other words, we can say that an economy is a system that allows people to provide each other with a satisfying quantity of material goods, for a given value of satisfaction.

The problems start when someone way high up in the food chain decides that you are receiving too many material goods, and at of too high a quality, to be environmentally sustainable. So, without consulting you at all, they decide to start using medical interventions on you to change you psychologically and alter the threshold at which material satiety occurs. This is not hard to do in principle, and it's a staple of science fiction. In Larry Niven's Ringworld, there are people called "wireheads" who literally have an implant that stimulates the pleasure centers of their brain. In Neal Asher's Polity series, some people have implants that let them tune specific emotions up and down. If someone wants to party, they can drop aggression and stress responses and boost libido as easily as using the sliders on a fucking equalizer on your stereo. In the real world, experiments with neural implants, even decades upon decades ago, have shown that it is theoretically possible to manipulate human and animal behavior with electrical impulses directed into the brain.


We've come a long way since Jose Delgado stuck electrodes in the brains of bulls back in the 1950s and hit a remote-control pushbutton that literally made charging bulls stop inches from him. We now have the Utah Array, Neuralink, and who knows what the hell else.


When people talk about mind control, what they usually envision is a human being remote-piloted, forced to do things they wouldn't otherwise do, like a living RC car, moving their limbs by remote like a zombie, and so on. However, this is by far not the most frightening application of the technology. On the contrary, its chief tyrannical use would be in the implantation of subtle suggestions into people's minds, generally guiding their behavior according to a single, one-size-fits-all template and not forcing them to do anything in specific.

Imagine, for instance, if you could suppress desire in a person by generating, in their mind, an endless sense of satisfaction buoyed by serotonin, oxytocin, and dopamine release stimulated by externally-delivered impulses. For the past century, there have been riots and demonstrations all over the globe centered on class issues and declining living standards. If you're one of the Elites, you'd probably want some way to nip this in the bud as quickly and efficiently as possible. There is one way to stop people from demonstrating. If you lower the satiety threshold for material goods by making people endlessly satisfied, people will be happy to live in squalor. Someone could be made to be quite happy to live in a 30 square foot cage and eat nothing but instant ramen packets for the entirety of their natural life, provided they were fitted with a Droud from Ringworld, and the pleasure center of their brain was constantly stimulated to a degree that they experience the same (or greater) satisfaction than what the material goods would have given them. And just like that, their carbon footprint is now much smaller. See? All we had to do was erase their naughty desires to have things like, oh, a three-bedroom house and a two-car garage that they own outright and pay no interest on. Now their anxiety is gone and they’re content with living in a cuckbarrel and eating bugs.

This is what is meant by Klaus Schwab by "you will own nothing and you will be happy". It’s Huxleyan social control. They aim to use transhumanism and medical interventions to alter the satiety threshold such that people are satisfied with vastly reduced living standards; owning nothing, renting everything, and so on.

There really is no limit to how far this process can go. At all. It could be taken to truly absurd levels, if we wished it. If we determined that the most energy-efficient and safest way to operate a human brain was to literally extricate it from an infant's skull, stuff it in a vat, and feed it a simulated reality with endless pleasure for its entire "lifespan" without it ever touching a single natural resource aside from the electricity generated for its life support system, we would do that. The next step after that, of course, is getting rid of the brain entirely and replacing it with a computer that emulates its function, a.k.a. "Substrate-Independent Minds".


This would cure death, obviously. Still doesn't do anything about the impending heat death of the universe, but it would cure death for the time being. It would also stop crime, war, chronic pain and anxiety, and everything else nasty about humanity, by forbidding people to physically contact each other, and only allowing them to virtually contact one another with mutual consent. It's kind of hard to rape or murder someone if you're a brain in a vat or a personality in a mainframe and have no arms or legs. It’s also kind of hard to feel pain or anxiety if your hardware does not permit you to feel pain at all. This is the transhumanist idea of utopia; the eventual elimination of the human body itself as a redundant and frail sack of meat and its replacement with machinery that literally cannot feel negative emotions or cause harm to others.




The people who are irritated by things like this are often very OCD, very autistic, and very meticulous, and they have a general detestation of violence, pain, ill-health, and everything else that comes with the human condition. Imagine being one of these busybodies. Imagine not being able to take your mind off of human suffering, ever, at any time. Imagine never being able to stop thinking about rape, murder, war, disease, et cetera, and cognizing that all of these things are presently occurring somewhere in the word; a penis is going into an unwilling vagina, a bullet or knife into an unwilling neck or head, a diseased mosquito’s proboscis into someone’s skin. It’s an endless and nigh-on-Freudian obsession with the unwanted penetration of grim reality into human affairs. That is what consumes the mind of a transhumanist, and that is why they are so desperate to alter human nature; they are afflicted by an endless fear of fucking; of the violent coercion intrinsic to human nature, and the way it straddles the line between life and death. To some extent, we all are. It’s just that some people feel it more acutely than others.



Now, this all brings us back to the economy. If the purpose of the economy is to satisfy human needs, and the Elites of society have decided that our needs are intolerably excessive because those needs are human, then it stands to reason that they'd want to redefine what being human fundamentally is. After a certain point, the economy ceases to exist as a concept. Brains in vats have no need of an "economy". They just exist absurdly, perhaps for the purpose of sheer hedonistic experience. If an economy is defined as a system that satisfies human needs, and people are no longer human and no longer have human needs, then we will transit into a system that’s not just post-scarcity, but actually post-economics. The economy will cease to have any meaning at all.

In essence, what they are trying to do is immanentize the eschaton. It’s the old dream of communism revived. They want to create a paradise without work, without scarcity, and without suffering; an endless, automated cornucopia of plenty. To do that, they want to completely, fundamentally rewrite human nature with technology, up to and including gene editing, mind uploading, neural laces, et cetera, but that's for later. The first order of business is to make people satisfied with very, very minimalistic, prison-like living standards. They can't be allowed to rebel, riot, or demonstrate in huge crowds, since that would just interfere. So, their desires must be suppressed; either chemically, with drugs, or electronically, with implants.

Think about the psychopathy that generates the kind of mind that would propose any of this. In under a century, our jobs have been shipped off to the third world, and the third world has polluted the fuck out of the planet while letting rich billionaire industrialists and their Wall Street financier buddies run off with all the spoils. Then, after years and years of us importing thousands of tons of stupid crap using nasty container ships burning tar-like heavy fuel oils, these same fuckers who got us into this mess and shaped this economy specifically to pocket everything and give working people absolutely nothing of value in return now have the gall to turn around and claim that we're ruining the planet and we need them to help guide us into a new era.

If these people succeed, humanity is fucked. There’s no telling what the hell they would replace us with.
I do believe we are heading to the future envisioned by Aldous Huxley. However I also believe this will be a transitory state because God and Nature are still in the machine, no matter how hard we are trying to kill and control them. As societal control increases so too does its complexity. The machine grows ever more complicated as the mechanisms of control develop more and more critical points of failure, and then...collapse.

There are two potential outcomes I see coming from the tail end of the utopia envisioned by our ruling elites.

One is the Heinlein future, where the hordes of maladjusted young people raised in State institutions with no parents act out as we know such children will do. As their numbers increase society begins to break down until it collapses from a combination of external pressure and internal rot.

That would be the preferable outcome compared to the second one. Which would be a version of the Butlerian Jihad depicted in Herbert's Dune. The abuses of the ruling powers in Dune of the "thinking machines" is eerily prescient to what is being done now. In dune the vast majority of the human population became enslaved not by the thinking machines directly, but by the people who owned and directed the machines and their algorithms. The eventual backlash came in the form of a sudden a massive revival of religion in the form of a massive "crusade" that burned human technology outright and on the pyres of burning computers were the still living and screaming computer programmers and technology corporation executives.
 

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I do believe we are heading to the future envisioned by Aldous Huxley. However I also believe this will be a transitory state because God and Nature are still in the machine, no matter how hard we are trying to kill and control them. As societal control increases so too does its complexity. The machine grows ever more complicated as the mechanisms of control develop more and more critical points of failure, and then...collapse.

There are two potential outcomes I see coming from the tail end of the utopia envisioned by our ruling elites.

One is the Heinlein future, where the hordes of maladjusted young people raised in State institutions with no parents act out as we know such children will do. As their numbers increase society begins to break down until it collapses from a combination of external pressure and internal rot.

That would be the preferable outcome compared to the second one. Which would be a version of the Butlerian Jihad depicted in Herbert's Dune. The abuses of the ruling powers in Dune of the "thinking machines" is eerily prescient to what is being done now. In dune the vast majority of the human population became enslaved not by the thinking machines directly, but by the people who owned and directed the machines and their algorithms. The eventual backlash came in the form of a sudden a massive revival of religion in the form of a massive "crusade" that burned human technology outright and on the pyres of burning computers were the still living and screaming computer programmers and technology corporation executives.

Oh, they do that, too. Society is already run by algorithms. They blew off the tops off mountains with dynamite to lay cables between stock exchanges to close algo-trades a few milliseconds faster. Algorithms decide what people watch, what culture they consume, metadata tracking their every move. Characterizing people.

I recommend you read up on two things: One is Jacque Fresco and the “resource-based economy”, and his concept of “sociocyberneering”. The other is Salvador Allende and Project Cybersyn. In all instances, the eventual goal is the abolition of the price system and the production of goods strictly for use rather than exchange. In other words, plain ol’ Marxism.

Since human management of communism failed, they want to use computers and algorithmic characterization of human habits to emulate capitalism’s efficiency and use that as the foundation for a new, computer-controlled and smart-metered communism.
 

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Wouldn’t it make more sense to push one of them off a building?

It wouldn't make my life easier.
Otoh, if God is merciful enough, he can send me back as an angel to wipe them all out.
As he did with the children of the Egyptians.

Oh, they do that, too. Society is already run by algorithms. They blew off the tops off mountains with dynamite to lay cables between stock exchanges to close algo-trades a few milliseconds faster. Algorithms decide what people watch, what culture they consume, metadata tracking their every move. Characterizing people.

I recommend you read up on two things: One is Jacque Fresco and the “resource-based economy”, and his concept of “sociocyberneering”. The other is Salvador Allende and Project Cybersyn. In all instances, the eventual goal is the abolition of the price system and the production of goods strictly for use rather than exchange. In other words, plain ol’ Marxism.

Since human management of communism failed, they want to use computers and algorithmic characterization of human habits to emulate capitalism’s efficiency and use that as the foundation for a new, computer-controlled and smart-metered communism.

In a society of control, prices and currency would still be needed.
Russia already had a similar program to Cybersyn called OGAS which was meant to assist in economic planning but in fact was used to break the economy and justify liberalizations.
Russian money had the double function of being a medium of exchange, as in here, and a tool for bookkeeping. It was issued by the state bank and, being most businesses in which that money was spent state-owned whether directly or otherwise, returned to the state.
In doing so, the Russian government could keep track of transactions, and consequently use the acquired informations to assist in economic planning. Because of the scope and depth of the data coming from transactions, no system of computerized economic planning could properly work without at least a pretension of a price system to fuel it the data it needs to program production.
All of this is still a market, and it still needs a currency to work, both things Marx wanted to get rid of. A communist economy would have no such features.

We don't need cybernetics for communism, that's just retarded technological positivism. I've seen so many pseudo-commies arguing in favor of it, and they were all shades of autistic and ignorant of basic theory.
 
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There will be a new internet free of censorship and globohomo!!!. The plan will definetly succeed!!!. Its not like im telling you all of this on a site ruled by the very same people who completly oppose the idea and have the resources to kill me if they wanted to!.
Hopium, along with Copium are among the all time best-sellers. The conspiracy subcultures are addicted to them. The supply is pactically infinite! What's not to love?
 

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So assuming this is all a real thing, and assuming there will be a further push to get rural people into the cities how would they even do that? Many rural people own everything they have outright, will absolutely refuse to move, don't care about services being far away, and some of them will even shoot you if you make an attempt to forcibly move them.

How does one solve the "rural problem" in a great reset scenario? Or are rural populations mostly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?
 

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So the food stamp program is going to give out 25% more benefits.



That program helps subsidize farmers.

Bill Gates owns a lot of US farmland. So does China.

Lots of American poors are fat. Now they get a larger food budget.

Step 3 profit?
 

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So assuming this is all a real thing, and assuming there will be a further push to get rural people into the cities how would they even do that? Many rural people own everything they have outright, will absolutely refuse to move, don't care about services being far away, and some of them will even shoot you if you make an attempt to forcibly move them.

How does one solve the "rural problem" in a great reset scenario? Or are rural populations mostly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?
Forest fires.
 

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After mulling it over for a good long while, I suppose I should further clarify what I meant about “abolishing suffering”.

The goal of any economy is to abolish some quantity of suffering. Without material goods, people experience suffering. People go hungry for lack of food, they die of hypothermia for lack of shelter and clothing, and so on. People make goods for each other, socially, because living in the state of nature is rough. So, in other words, we can say that an economy is a system that allows people to provide each other with a satisfying quantity of material goods, for a given value of satisfaction.

The problems start when someone way high up in the food chain decides that you are receiving too many material goods, and at of too high a quality, to be environmentally sustainable. So, without consulting you at all, they decide to start using medical interventions on you to change you psychologically and alter the threshold at which material satiety occurs. This is not hard to do in principle, and it's a staple of science fiction. In Larry Niven's Ringworld, there are people called "wireheads" who literally have an implant that stimulates the pleasure centers of their brain. In Neal Asher's Polity series, some people have implants that let them tune specific emotions up and down. If someone wants to party, they can drop aggression and stress responses and boost libido as easily as using the sliders on a fucking equalizer on your stereo. In the real world, experiments with neural implants, even decades upon decades ago, have shown that it is theoretically possible to manipulate human and animal behavior with electrical impulses directed into the brain.


We've come a long way since Jose Delgado stuck electrodes in the brains of bulls back in the 1950s and hit a remote-control pushbutton that literally made charging bulls stop inches from him. We now have the Utah Array, Neuralink, and who knows what the hell else.


When people talk about mind control, what they usually envision is a human being remote-piloted, forced to do things they wouldn't otherwise do, like a living RC car, moving their limbs by remote like a zombie, and so on. However, this is by far not the most frightening application of the technology. On the contrary, its chief tyrannical use would be in the implantation of subtle suggestions into people's minds, generally guiding their behavior according to a single, one-size-fits-all template and not forcing them to do anything in specific.

Imagine, for instance, if you could suppress desire in a person by generating, in their mind, an endless sense of satisfaction buoyed by serotonin, oxytocin, and dopamine release stimulated by externally-delivered impulses. For the past century, there have been riots and demonstrations all over the globe centered on class issues and declining living standards. If you're one of the Elites, you'd probably want some way to nip this in the bud as quickly and efficiently as possible. There is one way to stop people from demonstrating. If you lower the satiety threshold for material goods by making people endlessly satisfied, people will be happy to live in squalor. Someone could be made to be quite happy to live in a 30 square foot cage and eat nothing but instant ramen packets for the entirety of their natural life, provided they were fitted with a Droud from Ringworld, and the pleasure center of their brain was constantly stimulated to a degree that they experience the same (or greater) satisfaction than what the material goods would have given them. And just like that, their carbon footprint is now much smaller. See? All we had to do was erase their naughty desires to have things like, oh, a three-bedroom house and a two-car garage that they own outright and pay no interest on. Now their anxiety is gone and they’re content with living in a cuckbarrel and eating bugs.

This is what is meant by Klaus Schwab by "you will own nothing and you will be happy". It’s Huxleyan social control. They aim to use transhumanism and medical interventions to alter the satiety threshold such that people are satisfied with vastly reduced living standards; owning nothing, renting everything, and so on.

There really is no limit to how far this process can go. At all. It could be taken to truly absurd levels, if we wished it. If we determined that the most energy-efficient and safest way to operate a human brain was to literally extricate it from an infant's skull, stuff it in a vat, and feed it a simulated reality with endless pleasure for its entire "lifespan" without it ever touching a single natural resource aside from the electricity generated for its life support system, we would do that. The next step after that, of course, is getting rid of the brain entirely and replacing it with a computer that emulates its function, a.k.a. "Substrate-Independent Minds".


This would cure death, obviously. Still doesn't do anything about the impending heat death of the universe, but it would cure death for the time being. It would also stop crime, war, chronic pain and anxiety, and everything else nasty about humanity, by forbidding people to physically contact each other, and only allowing them to virtually contact one another with mutual consent. It's kind of hard to rape or murder someone if you're a brain in a vat or a personality in a mainframe and have no arms or legs. It’s also kind of hard to feel pain or anxiety if your hardware does not permit you to feel pain at all. This is the transhumanist idea of utopia; the eventual elimination of the human body itself as a redundant and frail sack of meat and its replacement with machinery that literally cannot feel negative emotions or cause harm to others.




The people who are irritated by things like this are often very OCD, very autistic, and very meticulous, and they have a general detestation of violence, pain, ill-health, and everything else that comes with the human condition. Imagine being one of these busybodies. Imagine not being able to take your mind off of human suffering, ever, at any time. Imagine never being able to stop thinking about rape, murder, war, disease, et cetera, and cognizing that all of these things are presently occurring somewhere in the word; a penis is going into an unwilling vagina, a bullet or knife into an unwilling neck or head, a diseased mosquito’s proboscis into someone’s skin. It’s an endless and nigh-on-Freudian obsession with the unwanted penetration of grim reality into human affairs. That is what consumes the mind of a transhumanist, and that is why they are so desperate to alter human nature; they are afflicted by an endless fear of fucking; of the violent coercion intrinsic to human nature, and the way it straddles the line between life and death. To some extent, we all are. It’s just that some people feel it more acutely than others.



Now, this all brings us back to the economy. If the purpose of the economy is to satisfy human needs, and the Elites of society have decided that our needs are intolerably excessive because those needs are human, then it stands to reason that they'd want to redefine what being human fundamentally is. After a certain point, the economy ceases to exist as a concept. Brains in vats have no need of an "economy". They just exist absurdly, perhaps for the purpose of sheer hedonistic experience. If an economy is defined as a system that satisfies human needs, and people are no longer human and no longer have human needs, then we will transit into a system that’s not just post-scarcity, but actually post-economics. The economy will cease to have any meaning at all.

In essence, what they are trying to do is immanentize the eschaton. It’s the old dream of communism revived. They want to create a paradise without work, without scarcity, and without suffering; an endless, automated cornucopia of plenty. To do that, they want to completely, fundamentally rewrite human nature with technology, up to and including gene editing, mind uploading, neural laces, et cetera, but that's for later. The first order of business is to make people satisfied with very, very minimalistic, prison-like living standards. They can't be allowed to rebel, riot, or demonstrate in huge crowds, since that would just interfere. So, their desires must be suppressed; either chemically, with drugs, or electronically, with implants.

Think about the psychopathy that generates the kind of mind that would propose any of this. In under a century, our jobs have been shipped off to the third world, and the third world has polluted the fuck out of the planet while letting rich billionaire industrialists and their Wall Street financier buddies run off with all the spoils. Then, after years and years of us importing thousands of tons of stupid crap using nasty container ships burning tar-like heavy fuel oils, these same fuckers who got us into this mess and shaped this economy specifically to pocket everything and give working people absolutely nothing of value in return now have the gall to turn around and claim that we're ruining the planet and we need them to help guide us into a new era.

If these people succeed, humanity is fucked. There’s no telling what the hell they would replace us with.
Don’t you worry, we’ll be stacking skulls.
 

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These elites, the 1%, need us more than we need them. We made them rich. If we don't own anything nor have an income, what happens to them? I know they get off on lording over us, But this x factor still is missing. idk. Like, even if they kill off all the weak and leave the strong, what then? The strong isn't gonna tolerate their bullshit and try to over throw them.

There are two potential outcomes I see coming from the tail end of the utopia envisioned by our ruling elites.

One is the Heinlein future, where the hordes of maladjusted young people raised in State institutions with no parents act out as we know such children will do. As their numbers increase society begins to break down until it collapses from a combination of external pressure and internal rot.

That would be the preferable outcome compared to the second one. Which would be a version of the Butlerian Jihad depicted in Herbert's Dune. The abuses of the ruling powers in Dune of the "thinking machines" is eerily prescient to what is being done now. In dune the vast majority of the human population became enslaved not by the thinking machines directly, but by the people who owned and directed the machines and their algorithms. The eventual backlash came in the form of a sudden a massive revival of religion in the form of a massive "crusade" that burned human technology outright and on the pyres of burning computers were the still living and screaming computer programmers and technology corporation executives.
I've thought about the latter as the ultimate end goal. Technology has runied society to an extent. And its gonna be either it or us.
 

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So assuming this is all a real thing, and assuming there will be a further push to get rural people into the cities how would they even do that? Many rural people own everything they have outright, will absolutely refuse to move, don't care about services being far away, and some of them will even shoot you if you make an attempt to forcibly move them.

How does one solve the "rural problem" in a great reset scenario? Or are rural populations mostly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?
Start making profits for farmers go down to the point where they can't afford to continue running their farms, then when they put them up for sale a massive agricultural company will buy it. Eventually all small farmers will be outcompeted by the companies and most rural towns will be dead since they only exist to supply goods and services to farms anyway. You'll end with pure industrialised farmland occasionally broken up with small homesteads for workers who are owned by the companies.
 

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How does one solve the "rural problem" in a great reset scenario? Or are rural populations mostly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?
Easy. Take a look East-wards towards the Ex-commie states of the Eastern Bloc. Their rural areas are dead, many villages that once held 1000 people have ~50 at most, Some are ghost towns inhabited by old people refusing to move.

How did this happen?A whole generation of youngsters moved abroad or in to cities because there were more opportunities for work, for meeting people, for activities and hobbies.

Not many people in the west who were born in rural areas want to stay there.
 

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WEF posted this to their twitter.

peoeple aren't happy

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