The growing trend of “White Guilt” being a positive thing -

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I never understood the “guilt for the ancestors” things. My ancestors were a bunch of people I never met or even lived during the same time as them. Why should I be made to feel guilty over their actions? I had no control over their actions. Hell, I don’t even know what the actions were.
This is what gets me. How far back do we need to take this? Do we stop in that last couple hundred years because it's convenient, there's more written records, and black people were the ones being picked on in America at the time? Why should that time period be any more important than, say, the Roman period in Europe when a shitton of white people were slaves?

People have been shitty to other people for arbitrary reasons since people first began to exist. Demanding one arbitrary group feel guilty because it's reasonably close by in historical terms is utterly pointless and only done for reasons of power. They scream about history but regard it as only a small period that affected them.

Ditto for rubbish like 'cultural appropriation'.
 

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My understanding is this bizarre form of anti-whiteness that has taken over mainstream culture is rooted in the 60's , when a lot of far leftist were disenfranchised by how shitty the Soviet Union was, and looked to third world countries in Asia and Africa as the people who could finally do real communism. Little did they know most of those countries would be even more brutal and tyrannical than the USSR. These memes and general mindset continued to metastasize in academia, and only grew in force with the absolute collapse of communism around the world in late 80's and early 90's. A lot of the SJW stuff we complain about today were widely parodied in the 90's and mocked under the vague term of "Political Correctness." Political Correctness grip was on three pillars of society at the time: Academia, the legal system, and corporate culture (and the only reason it took over corporate America was because of how it effected the legal system and courts). There was even a college comedy movie called PCU that mocked the phenomena.

While it effected the mainstream culture to a degree (like getting gay sitcoms and increasing tokenism) it wasn't this rabid force. While I have a conspiracy hypothesis (funny that SJW-ism took off just after the 08' financial crisis and following economic depression) I think the biggest cause was social media that gave these tendencies a place to spread outside of small true believing circles. That seeds were the in the minds of people who went to university, but the constant hammering by wackos gave it food and fuel. Those still going college got hit the hardest by it. This is why SJW devotoin is mostly a phenomena among middle class to wealthy people.

What is most unfortunate is that it's ironically what keeps effective diversity from really functioning, since it just picks at societal scabs so they don't really heal. The only real people who benefit are Manchurian Minorities who aren't white but appeal to upper-class sensibilities, people like Obama and Kamala Harris, or act like an absolute stereotype to the pleasure of said upper class whites like Cornell West, who sounds like a crow from Dumbo most the time. Think about it this way, we had the Woke Oscars where Black Panther and Black KKKlansman were nominated, but Kevin Hart a black comedian had his hosting gig taken away because he turned out to be the wrong kind of black (telling gay jokes a few years ago).
 

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This is what gets me. How far back do we need to take this? Do we stop in that last couple hundred years because it's convenient, there's more written records, and black people were the ones being picked on in America at the time? Why should that time period be any more important than, say, the Roman period in Europe when a shitton of white people were slaves?

People have been shitty to other people for arbitrary reasons since people first began to exist. Demanding one arbitrary group feel guilty because it's reasonably close by in historical terms is utterly pointless and only done for reasons of power. They scream about history but regard it as only a small period that affected them.
Ironically, white people are actually a minority in the global population. There are more yellow, brown, and black people than there are whites. Give white people their minority privileges, bitches.
Back on topic, what, exactly, are whites guilty of that nonwhites haven't done? Kill people with different skin colors? Genghis Khan and his yellow fellows were slaughtering brown Muslims in the Middle East centuries before the New World was discovered. Conquered land that wasn't theirs? Please. The Timurid Dynasty did that to India long before Columbus sailed the ocean blue. Slavery? The Maya enslaved the other indigenous tribes for labor and human sacrifices. Colonies? The Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans colonized each other in endless cycles until the Europeans arrived.
What whites did was industrialize these acts- make them more efficient. They happened to be the first race to think of it; any other race would have gladly enacted such efficiency if they knew of it.
This ethos of efficiency gradually made its way into white societies, causing them to improve, and become better than those of other races (yes, they are objectively better. Why is it nobody immigrates to, say, the Congo?) That is why white people became the dominant power in the world- they believed there was a better way, and looked for that way. The rest of the world reached a point where they said "This is enough; we are satisfied with our progress." That willingness to take risks and advance in the name of efficiency was, for whatever reason, not present in their cultures.
The people calling out white privilege dislike this fact. They can neither build, nor innovate. They can only tear down what others made. They are barbarians gawking in hatred at the gates of Rome.
 

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The Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans colonized each other in endless cycles until the Europeans arrived.
Don't forget that while white people might have bought African slaves, they often bought them from Arabs and Muslims.

Muslims should have to pay reparations too, or at least they should if the whole dumb concept had any merit, which it doesn't.
 

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I wish I was a niggerfaggot right now so I could be double offended.
Imagine if you went tranny and fucked Rachel Dolezai and babies?

Don't forget that while white people might have bought African slaves, they often bought them from Arabs and Muslims.
And if that is the case, they clearly didn't get the best deal on them. Certainly not as good of a price as they would have given a fellow Arab/Muslim. If we paid a premium we should at least have gotten some extra features.
 

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Yeah I concur with those noting the similarities between this and the trend of religious fundies using their own performatively pious and perfidiously penitent humblebragging about their sins as their justification to spew hate and damnation against the masses of "unrepentant sinners" who have not submitted themselves to their moral and spiritual betters.

And just like with the fundies, those who squeal the loudest about their own redemption from sin and their own moral superiority over those who do not bend the knee to the dogma are the ones most likely to eventually be outed as having been sodomising the altar boys the whole time they were preaching
 

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Ironically, white people are actually a minority in the global population. There are more yellow, brown, and black people than there are whites. Give white people their minority privileges, bitches.
Back on topic, what, exactly, are whites guilty of that nonwhites haven't done? Kill people with different skin colors? Genghis Khan and his yellow fellows were slaughtering brown Muslims in the Middle East centuries before the New World was discovered. Conquered land that wasn't theirs? Please. The Timurid Dynasty did that to India long before Columbus sailed the ocean blue. Slavery? The Maya enslaved the other indigenous tribes for labor and human sacrifices. Colonies? The Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans colonized each other in endless cycles until the Europeans arrived.
What whites did was industrialize these acts- make them more efficient. They happened to be the first race to think of it; any other race would have gladly enacted such efficiency if they knew of it.
This ethos of efficiency gradually made its way into white societies, causing them to improve, and become better than those of other races (yes, they are objectively better. Why is it nobody immigrates to, say, the Congo?) That is why white people became the dominant power in the world- they believed there was a better way, and looked for that way. The rest of the world reached a point where they said "This is enough; we are satisfied with our progress." That willingness to take risks and advance in the name of efficiency was, for whatever reason, not present in their cultures.
The people calling out white privilege dislike this fact. They can neither build, nor innovate. They can only tear down what others made. They are barbarians gawking in hatred at the gates of Rome.
I'm more with Jared Diamond on this that the advantage mostly came down to accidents of history, such as Europeans having better access to high-calorie/high-protein food, having climate and geography that better spur exploration and development, and by having infectious diseases that would kill unexposed cultures in droves. All of these things combined facilitated risk taking and innovation. I also think overpopulation in Europe contributed to the other historical phenomenon of white people being fucking relentless. When they'd set up a colony and the colony would disappear without a trace, the response would be to just set up another colony. The Norse giving up on Newfoundland was a rare instance in history where white colonizers said "fuck it, this is too hard".

Of course SJWs hate Diamond and try to accuse him of racism because he doesn't believe white people are inherently evil.
 

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This is what gets me. How far back do we need to take this?
I don't think that's the point. All these arguments are made in bad faith; there's no genuine desire to right any real wrongs (except in the minds of the useful idiots,) because actual expiation of the "crime" would mean relinquishing the power it holds over the "criminals." The point is to keep the Badwhites trapped in a double-bind where acknowledging race is both mandatory and forbidden, so whatever they do is racist, wrong and deserving of whatever punishment the Goodwhites mete out. That's why it's impossible to navigate the "rules" here- they're designed to be ignavigable, because if they were internally consistent enough to be followed, the Goodwhites would lose the moral license for their position.
 

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And if that is the case, they clearly didn't get the best deal on them. Certainly not as good of a price as they would have given a fellow Arab/Muslim. If we paid a premium we should at least have gotten some extra features.
Good point. The Muslims should pay us reparations for overcharging us on inferior, low quality slaves.
 
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i do love the subset of people who will make sweeping generalizations about black people, then get butthurt when someone tells them they’re privileged because of the color of their skin. They never connect those dots.

But no, I don’t believe a white person needs to feel guilty if they’ve never done anybody wrong. The way it was explained to me a long time ago is that it’s less about guilt and more about just being concious of the way minorities continue to be treated unfairly. That’s it. It’s not as bad as it was decades ago, but there are still some problems. We can be concious of these things and respect those struggles without holding ourselves personally responsible. That’s how I see it anyway.
 
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Its a rhetorical device designed to make 'guilty whites' vote for left wing policies out of guilt, rather than compassion (and that's actually quite creepy if you think about it) and it is effective because these guilty people think they are absolving themselves when in reality they are just spreading their internalised mental hatred to other fellow guilty humans in waiting.
 

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Insane theory, what if white guilt is just a manifestation of self-hating fucks that don't realize that their issues are with themselves because they're useless, human garbage and know so but it's easier to blame shit on their skin color rather than acknowledge reality and act upon it?
Add an obsession with blaming their ancestors because of hatred of their parents and you've got something going there.
 

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Its a rhetorical device designed to make 'guilty whites' vote for left wing policies out of guilt, rather than compassion (and that's actually quite creepy if you think about it) and it is effective because these guilty people think they are absolving themselves when in reality they are just spreading their internalised mental hatred to other fellow guilty humans in waiting.
USA doesn't have any parties that support any left wing policies.
 
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USA doesn't have any parties that support any left wing policies.
Yes but relatively speaking, every country has a left and right wing, even the Alt-Right has its own left wing right wing axis. In this case I'm referring to Democratic Socialist types.
 
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I have mostly black co-workers. They don't give a rat's ass about this "whites did horrible shit to black people" crap the woke people spread and act like the black community actually cares about that. They only care if you're not a jackass and massive racist to them, and I get along really well with them.

White guilt is such a bullshit trend, and people need to realize most black people don't care about white people doing horrible shit many years ago. They just want to live their lives.
 
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