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ChuckSlaughter

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I really want him to show up and start talking to us too. I think fschmidt was raised by his hungarian parents with bad expectations of what his american life would be.
I read another lolcow nest called /r/hapas on reddit. A common complaint is they're raised to believe that if they study hard and get into the best school a good life with a nice wife, good job, big house, and happy kids would follow. But it's not true if you've been tiger mom'd your whole life and can't socialize successfully, dress fashionably, deal with bullies and so forth. Nobody in america is desperate enough to be in the upper middle class to date someone boring until they come out of their shell.

This pisses guys like fschmidt off to no end. Society must obviously be in moral decay but fschmidt doesn't really know what he thinks he knows because his family moved here in the 60s or something, he doesn't know pre-feminism america.
I'm sure he'd be shocked to hear that my conservative christian grandfather told my grandmother to date and have fun as much as she wanted until he came back from WWII and then they'd get married.

Most americans have some notion that things beneath the surface in the past just weren't well recorded but to guys like marijan and fschmidt leave it to beaver and the andy griffith show might as well be historical record.
 

MarineTrainedTard

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They also don't understand anything about these patriarchal societies where "women have to get married or starve to death on the streets", because:

1.) That isn't true, theoretically if woman doesn't get married, some sort of male relative is socially obligated to take care of her, so a cousin or a nephew will take her in.
2.) Yes, there would be far more pressure for a woman to get married, but in these societies, women still often have some say in who they marry and a girl can, in fact, say, "Daddy, I don't like this guy, he's a a fucking creepy loser" and fathers would often listen.
3.) Despite the patriarchal nature, mothers often have the most influence and can stop any sort of wedding they disapprove of
4.) Let's say 1, 2, and 3 don't apply; a man will still want his daughter to marry a successful, kind man who will treat her and her future children well. Any sort of father is going to spend ten minutes talking to a loveshy and then forbid him from coming anywhere near his daughter.

So even in their ideal society, these losers are going to die alone and unloved.

Also in these "patriarchal" societies there were still many independent women who were successful in other fields. Never forget that Muhammad's first wife was an extraordinarily wealthy merchant, and one of his other wives, Aisha, was a cunning military leader.
 

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2.) Yes, there would be far more pressure for a woman to get married, but in these societies, women still often have some say in who they marry and a girl can, in fact, say, "Daddy, I don't like this guy, he's a a fucking creepy loser" and fathers would often listen
This point is also very big because in societies where the woman has no say in who she marries if you are not part of that society to begin with you aren't going to be a candidate.

Most of these families with hard core 'traditional' values wouldn't consider culture mixing, let alone race. Some dopey westerner is never going to blip on the radar of those families arranging a marriage.
there are 'arranged marriage' services one can go to independently and sign up. These sort of things have foreign women willing to marry westerners, I am sure of this. It's not just for marriage, you can find matchmaking services to find compatible dating partners. Of course these guys prefer to complain about their problems rather than seek practical solutions to it. Or seek advice only from people who support their ideas, like someone who keeps getting second opinions from doctors until they find a woo-woo who tells them what they want to hear.

I think it might also be a pride issue. They want to find a woman 'naturally', but going abroad to find a wife hardly seems 'natural'. Not being able to ask for help, or discounting advice that makes one uncomfortable, is not an attractive point in anyone

HappierAbroad is so weird. Even the guys who are, apparently, happily married to foreign wives or living overseas still have a hate on for western women. They aren't 'happier abroad' they are 'I'll be happy when these American broads never get laid again'. They more or less want to convince all western men to take up foreign wives and stick it to the 'feminists'.

I find it pretty telling that they completely ignore that, were they to succeed, they'd be greatly diminishing the dating pool for the men born in the places they fetishize the women of.
I love reading the relationship forums of expat websites. You'll get people who go on about how much better X country's wo/men are compared to where they are from. Wait a couple months and the same user will be whining about how their X country boyfriend is driving them up the wall, or how they just can't understand the behavior of their X country wife.

It's like high school dating, or when people start an affair. It's all exciting and new at first... but then you spend time around the person/culture and uncover things that irritate you. I think that's also part of why the married guys of these MRA 'anti western women' forums still constantly get on to post. They are so bought into the delusion that it's those damn western feminists that are ruining things. They can't accept that even the most subservient of women can be hard to get along with at times.

Again, it's the same old loveshy idea that relationships are an entitlement that should go how they want instead of being something you work on
 
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ChuckSlaughter

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http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=14637&start=60
indiespyrate said:
Jejejeh lad, I regularly dress like men would from the 18th century(fashion was WAAY better back then, even for your Average Joe, imo) not just for "festivals" or Renaissance Faires, but just my regular habit of dress. You'll regularly find me in a "poet" shirt with a waistcoat on and knee breeches, though of course I wear long trousers too(not blue jeans way too damn conformist for me). Surprisingly I never get any flack for the way I dress, mostly I'm ignor'd, as a matter of fact I reckon even MORE invisible than before! (be that even bloody possible). jejejeh. Anyhap, at the grocery store, the negress saw my shirt, it was more renaissance period(though if this were like 1715 or hell even 1815 I wouldn't've look'd outta place at all) and she lik'd it apparently, it's funny, the ugly strumpet notic'd my shirt, yet not the lad sportin' it, me. She carri'd on a whole little conversation with my mum about it and I wasn't even there, to that ugly cretin, at least in her eyes. Eh I don't mind it much, jeh, I get the same treatment ev'rywhere, and the negress was ugly anyways jeh. Can't wait to get down to Latin America. f**k the Anglosphere jejejejejejeh. It seems if thou find'st thyself a pariah, or of a more "creative" or "nonconformist" disposition(and nay, speaketh not I of pseudo "alternative" flocks), the American she-beast and general populace see thee more'so as naught 'tall, and shalt find'st thineself more ignor'd and cast-outed.
He calls her a negress strumpet and nobody bats an eye. He is in the grocery store with his mom dressed like a pirate or something.

I need to get some more outfits lad, but I sure hell as will. Anyhap,I was thinking mayhap you ought to writ an article SPECIFICALLY on us young guys here in the West, and howa lot of younger guys are losing out(higher rates of depression and suicide, late male virginity is at an all time high, etc. etc.) and how no one ever talks about us and even mentions us younger men(even those on the red pill spectrum), and a lot of challenges the young western male might face (lack of money mainly, support, encouragement, 100% bullshite Fear p**n from the lamestream(mainstream) media), and going abroad, and of course the entitlement issues what help bring about this situation for men because of feminism. May'ap an article as well on potentioal NWO Feminist travel retrictions for men trying to gtfo of the west? I really wish someone would speak up more for younger "incel" males here in 'Murica, no one does jejejeh.
Then traveller always is a fun poster
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Those low life thugs aren't just driving stolen SUVs. They are also driving stolen luxury Bentleys, stolen luxury sports cars, stolen BMWs, stolen muscle cars, and stolen monster pickups. Some were likely stolen right off car dealer lots at AK-47 point, most others were easily stolen through either armed car jacking or simple grand theft auto.

Chicago proper is a death trap for single guys! And even at hot spots such as Oak Street Beach, Navy Pier, Millennium Park, the Museum Campus area, and such, just simply approaching within less than 35 feet of any one of those cute chicks is as likely to get a single guy AK-47'd by her boyfriend/fiancee/husband and/or his flash mob as beating/pummeling a hornet's nest in mid summer is likely to get the pummeler swarmed and stung by a bunch of angry hornets. And those flash mobs, with their AK-47s and large portions of cop killers who have even gunned down entire SWAT teams, have turned the entire inner city and lakefront area into a war zone from Lawrence Avenue southward, and all the way west to even California Avenue.
Now remember this is supposed to be a website about traveling. Keep in mind the working educated woman who doesn't expect much from a man is a parasite on the system.
woman said:
I want a certain type of lifestyle and don't expect a guy to come into my life and provide it for me. So I went to school and now I work. Doesn't mean I'm too picky or mean.
responses said:
It means you are already married to the government and so are not marriage material for anyone else. You are still living parasitically off men. Look around you. How much of what you see was not invented, extracted, manufactured and installed by men? Probably pretty much none of it. The same goes for the infrastructure you use. What do you do for men to pay for this largess? The fact that the system automatically robs men who are the rightful owners of all resources and gives stuff to you without you having to do anything for an individual man and his family is the problem and why you are not marriageable. Incidentally, if you are paid more than minimum wage you are almost certainly grossly overpaid, given that work females can do is easily replaceable menial stuff.
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Then you won't mind if I take away electricity, running water, plumbing, cars, TV...oh, wait, that's right. You don't realize that men have essentially made the world so that twats like you can have it easy. And what thanks do you give them? Ignorance, no appreciate, and no gratefulness.
This site is a goldmine of content.. also there is a user name ghost with a skull.. doesn't he have a thread. Can someone tell me if it's the same dude?
 
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I love this bizarro universe where a probably-unemployed man on welfare calls a hard-working woman a parasite.

Also, related to their insane belief that Asian women are submissive automatons: Yesterday I was at a mall here in Korea and I witnessed a young woman get into a very heated argument with her boyfriend. She was clearly very unhappy and he was trying to calm her down, but she attempted to slap him in the face and then pushed him away when he tried to gently grab her arm.

It immediately made me think of this thread, and I smiled.
 

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Keep in mind the working educated woman who doesn't expect much from a man is a parasite on the system.
"What do you do for men in exchange for getting to use all these lovely inventions and services?" he asks. Normal people would assume she pays for them out of the money she earns, but apparently these guys believe women get literal pussy passes that exempt us from having to pay bills.

I think it's the effect of watching too much of the sort of porn where the lady of the house bangs the plumber or electrician or pizza guy.
 

Mark Corrigan

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http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=14637&start=60

indiespyrate said:
Jejejeh lad, I regularly dress like men would from the 18th century(fashion was WAAY better back then, even for your Average Joe, imo) not just for "festivals" or Renaissance Faires, but just my regular habit of dress. You'll regularly find me in a "poet" shirt with a waistcoat on and knee breeches, though of course I wear long trousers too(not blue jeans way too damn conformist for me). Surprisingly I never get any flack for the way I dress, mostly I'm ignor'd, as a matter of fact I reckon even MORE invisible than before! (be that even bloody possible). jejejeh. Anyhap, at the grocery store, the negress saw my shirt, it was more renaissance period(though if this were like 1715 or hell even 1815 I wouldn't've look'd outta place at all) and she lik'd it apparently, it's funny, the ugly strumpet notic'd my shirt, yet not the lad sportin' it, me. She carri'd on a whole little conversation with my mum about it and I wasn't even there, to that ugly cretin, at least in her eyes. Eh I don't mind it much, jeh, I get the same treatment ev'rywhere, and the negress was ugly anyways jeh. Can't wait to get down to Latin America. f**k the Anglosphere jejejejejejeh. It seems if thou find'st thyself a pariah, or of a more "creative" or "nonconformist" disposition(and nay, speaketh not I of pseudo "alternative" flocks), the American she-beast and general populace see thee more'so as naught 'tall, and shalt find'st thineself more ignor'd and cast-outed.
Everything about it screams horrendous cunt.
And why does he fucking laugh in Spanish? He seems to know English well enough.
 

Mark Corrigan

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Alright. This thread is one of the reasons I created my account on farms and it took me a while to gather my thoughts.

Allow me to powerlevel a bit. I'm an EU expat currently living in Ukraine. As some of you may know, Ukraine currently is under a creeping invasion from Russia which sponsors, arms and trains thugs and criminals in the Eastern part of the country in order to win political influence over the current government. This, on top of deep economic crisis which has been going on since about 2008, political instability and rampant, almost proverbial corruption and poverty (average monthly salary is about 160 USD making Ukraine the poorest country in Europe), make the country an absolute hellhole for anyone who isn't connected to the oligarchic power structure in one way or another. That means that all people who have any prospects or ambitions want to GTFO of here as soon as possible.

This is where our "happier abroad" fellows come into play. The general situation of the country, together with the almost legendary beauty of local girls, make it a perfect destination for Westerner taxi drivers, retail workers, home technicians and PUAs who really believe they deserve better than "degenerate" and "spoiled" evil Western women. They watch the news, browse the internet and come to the conclusion that they should look for happiness in Eastern Europe because this is where all the hot, conservative white girls live. "Eastern Europe" usually means three countries: Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Belarus is a dictatorship and a shithole and it can be hard to get in. Russia once was a prefered destination, but ever since Russian oligarchy got ridiculously wealthy off oil and gas, Western expats lost much of their allure as Moscow gold diggers can now easily find local guys who are much, much wealthier and more classy than a Joe Sixpack from Sheboigan, Wisconsin. That leaves us with Ukraine. Yes, Ukraine has its own oligarchy, but they are less numerous and generally less wealthy than their Russian counterparts (there was simply less to steal in Ukraine than in Russia) so "hunting grounds" remain open. The capital and by far the wealthiest city in Ukraine is Kyiv and this is where hot girls from all over the country - and subsequently Western expats - flock to.

What does a Western girl do when she doesn't want to be poor? She studies and works. In civilised countries this is more or less guarantee of a decent living or at least not dying in abject misery. There is no such guarantee here. Even with education and hard, honest work, you can still get completely fucked, unless you were smart enough to study IT and find a job in a Western company which pays you in dollars or euros and even then all this can go to shit because who knows if this country will even fucking exist in 10 years. That means that the choice for a girl here is not "I can work and make money or whore myself and make some more money", but "I can work and be poor or whore myself and be rich". This also has a lot to do with the immense contrast between how the rich and how the poor live. The elites here have no qualms whatsoever in flaunting their wealth (the country may be dirt poor, but I swear I've never seen so many SUVs in the streets in my life) and locals are constantly bombarded with music videos such as
or
. Many girls, especially from poor families, develop a mindset whereby money is absolutely everything in life and is worth losing dignity by having to deal with wealthy losers.

The easiest way for a girl to attract a guy is, of course, looks and, by Jove, do those girls put much effort into their looks. Not just gold diggers, mind you. And here is where we are reaching a crucial point: their beautiful looks are not so much due to "conservative values", but are more of a method of adaptation to economic reality. Ukraine is more conservative but that comes at a price - any Westerner who attempts to get into a relationship with a local girl finds himself paying. For everything. Because a conservative girl *will* expect you to pay for everything. And I don't mean just paying for sex. It is almost a principle that if an expat guy is with a local girl, the girl will live together with him with the guy paying all the bills. Some girls are so apt at using their beauty to fool guys that it is just sad. Seeing guys in their late 30s or 40s buying all kinds of pricy junk for their girls 10 or more years younger than them who in their home countries wouldn't even shake their hands is commonplace. It can get much worse than that. My favourite story involves an American guy who once went to a nightclub and got approached by a girl. The guy is almost 50, does a blue collar job back in the States and looks like death (more or less how I imagine a typical "happier abroad" person) but he thought it completely normal that a young, pretty girl came up to him and offered a threesome with her equally hot female friend. When they came to his place, the girls spiked his drink and robbed him blind when he passed out. Laptops, money, even fucking pots and pans. Anything of any value. This case is extreme, but I am sure it's not isolate. Local "conservative girls" know how to use guys and they do it all the time. They turned their womanhood into a weapon of such power that is inconceivable for Western feminists who actually think that dressing up like a guy and not taking care of herself is "empowering" for a girl.

TL;DR: A typical Western guy who comes to Kyiv expecting to be treated like the tenth avatar of Vishnu usually ends up with glorified prostitution.
 
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TL;DR: A typical Western guy who comes to Kyiv expecting to be treated like the tenth avatar of Vishnu usually ends up with glorified prostitution.
Thanks for all the information, Mark! It's a sad story all around.

Out of curiosity, is it common for girls in that situation to have a boyfriend or husband they actually love, while they're using the wealthy idiot for his money? I mean, it's a horrifying idea, but somehow, having to do without love entirely seems even worse.
 
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Mark Corrigan

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Thanks for all the information, Mark! It's a sad story all around.

Out of curiosity, is it common for girls in that situation to have a boyfriend or husband they actually love, while they're using the wealthy idiot for his money? I mean, it's a horrifying idea, but somehow, having to do without love entirely seems even worse.
My Moscow mate told me he had dated an escort who fucked others for money and fucked him because she liked him. But my Moscow mate is also full of shit so it's hard to tell how true his story was.
I don't use the "services" of escorts or prossies, so I can't say anything more about it. I know an expat guy, though, who was dating an escort and they fucked until the girl made a horrible scene and told him straight into his face that he was too poor for her and she wanted an oligarch.
 
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Alright. This thread is one of the reasons I created my account on farms and it took me a while to gather my thoughts.

Allow me to powerlevel a bit. I'm an EU expat currently living in Ukraine. As some of you may know, Ukraine currently is under a creeping invasion from Russia which sponsors, arms and trains thugs and criminals in the Eastern part of the country in order to win political influence over the current government. This, on top of deep economic crisis which has been going on since about 2008, political instability and rampant, almost proverbial corruption and poverty (average monthly salary is about 160 USD making Ukraine the poorest country in Europe), make the country an absolute hellhole for anyone who isn't connected to the oligarchic power structure in one way or another. That means that all people who have any prospects or ambitions want to GTFO of here as soon as possible.

This is where our "happier abroad" fellows come into play. The general situation of the country, together with the almost legendary beauty of local girls, make it a perfect destination for Westerner taxi drivers, retail workers, home technicians and PUAs who really believe they deserve better than "degenerate" and "spoiled" evil Western women. They watch the news, browse the internet and come to the conclusion that they should look for happiness in Eastern Europe because this is where all the hot, conservative white girls live. "Eastern Europe" usually means three countries: Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Belarus is a dictatorship and a shithole and it can be hard to get in. Russia once was a prefered destination, but ever since Russian oligarchy got ridiculously wealthy off oil and gas, Western expats lost much of their allure as Moscow gold diggers can now easily find local guys who are much, much wealthier and more classy than a Joe Sixpack from Sheboigan, Wisconsin. That leaves us with Ukraine. Yes, Ukraine has its own oligarchy, but they are less numerous and generally less wealthy than their Russian counterparts (there was simply less to steal in Ukraine than in Russia) so "hunting grounds" remain open. The capital and by far the wealthiest city in Ukraine is Kyiv and this is where hot girls from all over the country - and subsequently Western expats - flock to.

What does a Western girl do when she doesn't want to be poor? She studies and works. In civilised countries this is more or less guarantee of a decent living or at least not dying in abject misery. There is no such guarantee here. Even with education and hard, honest work, you can still get completely fucked, unless you were smart enough to study IT and find a job in a Western company which pays you in dollars or euros and even then all this can go to shit because who knows if this country will even fucking exist in 10 years. That means that the choice for a girl here is not "I can work and make money or whore myself and make some more money", but "I can work and be poor or whore myself and be rich". This also has a lot to do with the immense contrast between how the rich and how the poor live. The elites here have no qualms whatsoever in flaunting their wealth (the country may be dirt poor, but I swear I've never seen so many SUVs in the streets in my life) and locals are constantly bombarded with music videos such as
or
. Many girls, especially from poor families, develop a mindset whereby money is absolutely everything in life and is worth losing dignity by having to deal with wealthy losers.

The easiest way for a girl to attract a guy is, of course, looks and, by Jove, do those girls put much effort into their looks. Not just gold diggers, mind you. And here is where we are reaching a crucial point: their beautiful looks are not so much due to "conservative values", but are more of a method of adaptation to economic reality. Ukraine is more conservative but that comes at a price - any Westerner who attempts to get into a relationship with a local girl finds himself paying. For everything. Because a conservative girl *will* expect you to pay for everything. And I don't mean just paying for sex. It is almost a principle that if an expat guy is with a local girl, the girl will live together with him with the guy paying all the bills. Some girls are so apt at using their beauty to fool guys that it is just sad. Seeing guys in their late 30s or 40s buying all kinds of pricy junk for their girls 10 or more years younger than them who in their home countries wouldn't even shake their hands is commonplace. It can get much worse than that. My favourite story involves an American guy who once went to a nightclub and got approached by a girl. The guy is almost 50, does a blue collar job back in the States and looks like death (more or less how I imagine a typical "happier abroad" person) but he thought it completely normal that a young, pretty girl came up to him and offered a threesome with her equally hot female friend. When they came to his place, the girls spiked his drink and robbed him blind when he passed out. Laptops, money, even fucking pots and pans. Anything of any value. This case is extreme, but I am sure it's not isolate. Local "conservative girls" know how to use guys and they do it all the time. They turned their womanhood into a weapon of such power that is inconceivable for Western feminists who actually think that dressing up like a guy and not taking care of herself is "empowering" for a girl.

TL;DR: A typical Western guy who comes to Kyiv expecting to be treated like the tenth avatar of Vishnu usually ends up with glorified prostitution.
The thing I find the most funny about that is that it seems that they seem to act in the way that loveshies think western women act
 

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The thing I find the most funny about that is that it seems that they seem to act in the way that loveshies think western women act
Those people don't even realise that they are already playing on easy mode when it comes to relations with women. How they believe that conservative girls - who expect their men to be wealthy and successful because they are supposed to be bread winners - will want to have anything to do with them is beyond me.
 
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I'm honestly surprised that a thread I created is picking up so much traction again. I didn't think this thread would last long tbh.

Alright. This thread is one of the reasons I created my account on farms and it took me a while to gather my thoughts.

Allow me to powerlevel a bit. I'm an EU expat currently living in Ukraine. As some of you may know, Ukraine currently is under a creeping invasion from Russia which sponsors, arms and trains thugs and criminals in the Eastern part of the country in order to win political influence over the current government. This, on top of deep economic crisis which has been going on since about 2008, political instability and rampant, almost proverbial corruption and poverty (average monthly salary is about 160 USD making Ukraine the poorest country in Europe), make the country an absolute hellhole for anyone who isn't connected to the oligarchic power structure in one way or another. That means that all people who have any prospects or ambitions want to GTFO of here as soon as possible.

This is where our "happier abroad" fellows come into play. The general situation of the country, together with the almost legendary beauty of local girls, make it a perfect destination for Westerner taxi drivers, retail workers, home technicians and PUAs who really believe they deserve better than "degenerate" and "spoiled" evil Western women. They watch the news, browse the internet and come to the conclusion that they should look for happiness in Eastern Europe because this is where all the hot, conservative white girls live. "Eastern Europe" usually means three countries: Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Belarus is a dictatorship and a shithole and it can be hard to get in. Russia once was a prefered destination, but ever since Russian oligarchy got ridiculously wealthy off oil and gas, Western expats lost much of their allure as Moscow gold diggers can now easily find local guys who are much, much wealthier and more classy than a Joe Sixpack from Sheboigan, Wisconsin. That leaves us with Ukraine. Yes, Ukraine has its own oligarchy, but they are less numerous and generally less wealthy than their Russian counterparts (there was simply less to steal in Ukraine than in Russia) so "hunting grounds" remain open. The capital and by far the wealthiest city in Ukraine is Kyiv and this is where hot girls from all over the country - and subsequently Western expats - flock to.

What does a Western girl do when she doesn't want to be poor? She studies and works. In civilised countries this is more or less guarantee of a decent living or at least not dying in abject misery. There is no such guarantee here. Even with education and hard, honest work, you can still get completely fucked, unless you were smart enough to study IT and find a job in a Western company which pays you in dollars or euros and even then all this can go to shit because who knows if this country will even fucking exist in 10 years. That means that the choice for a girl here is not "I can work and make money or whore myself and make some more money", but "I can work and be poor or whore myself and be rich". This also has a lot to do with the immense contrast between how the rich and how the poor live. The elites here have no qualms whatsoever in flaunting their wealth (the country may be dirt poor, but I swear I've never seen so many SUVs in the streets in my life) and locals are constantly bombarded with music videos such as
or
. Many girls, especially from poor families, develop a mindset whereby money is absolutely everything in life and is worth losing dignity by having to deal with wealthy losers.

The easiest way for a girl to attract a guy is, of course, looks and, by Jove, do those girls put much effort into their looks. Not just gold diggers, mind you. And here is where we are reaching a crucial point: their beautiful looks are not so much due to "conservative values", but are more of a method of adaptation to economic reality. Ukraine is more conservative but that comes at a price - any Westerner who attempts to get into a relationship with a local girl finds himself paying. For everything. Because a conservative girl *will* expect you to pay for everything. And I don't mean just paying for sex. It is almost a principle that if an expat guy is with a local girl, the girl will live together with him with the guy paying all the bills. Some girls are so apt at using their beauty to fool guys that it is just sad. Seeing guys in their late 30s or 40s buying all kinds of pricy junk for their girls 10 or more years younger than them who in their home countries wouldn't even shake their hands is commonplace. It can get much worse than that. My favourite story involves an American guy who once went to a nightclub and got approached by a girl. The guy is almost 50, does a blue collar job back in the States and looks like death (more or less how I imagine a typical "happier abroad" person) but he thought it completely normal that a young, pretty girl came up to him and offered a threesome with her equally hot female friend. When they came to his place, the girls spiked his drink and robbed him blind when he passed out. Laptops, money, even fucking pots and pans. Anything of any value. This case is extreme, but I am sure it's not isolate. Local "conservative girls" know how to use guys and they do it all the time. They turned their womanhood into a weapon of such power that is inconceivable for Western feminists who actually think that dressing up like a guy and not taking care of herself is "empowering" for a girl.

TL;DR: A typical Western guy who comes to Kyiv expecting to be treated like the tenth avatar of Vishnu usually ends up with glorified prostitution.
Is it just me or has Russia become trash since the 20th century? It seems that it progressively gets worst and worst as the years go by. The world hoped Russia had improved since the fall of the Soviet Union. Wishful thinking is cruel. Reading this has opened my mind a bit of the 'women only care about money' trope. I can see why they see money as a method of survival rather than a means of attraction. It seems this is also common here in the States as well. The music videos and seeing the elites ride in fancy cars can set the 'money is the most important thing in life' mindset. Let's face it, we live in a world where money rules everything. I'm also on the mindset of 'money can buy happiness' too, but I wouldn't care for a woman's income level at all.

What makes me laugh when you mentioned the 'conservative values' it would put these guys into major pressure if they're paying for 'everything' for their EE princess. It makes them wish they didn't write off 'liberalism is a disease' diatribe. I can agree that EE women can use their femininity and womanhood as a weapon to fool the dateless/incel/loveshy crowd. The Western feminists are nothing compared to women from Russia, Ukraine or Bulgaria and that's what attracts the dateless/incel/loveshy crowd. But after reading this, it has opened my mind to the fact that these guys are delusional to believe that better women are in EE countries.

Those people don't even realise that they are already playing on easy mode when it comes to relations with women. How they believe that conservative girls - who expect their men to be wealthy and successful because they are supposed to be bread winners - will want to have anything to do with them is beyond me.
I have to disagree that they're playing in easy mode. It's quite difficult finding a girlfriend in a country that's becoming anti-male just because of corrupt politicians and some fucked up men and there are so many 'rules'/'do this, don't do that when approaching women, oh wait the rules have changed again, do this but don't do that'. While I agree their standards are a bit out of reach and they didn't think things through, but I highly doubt that dating in America is on 'easy mode'. Lol, no, no it's not. Dating in America is like Master Ninja mode, Veteran Mode, Extreme mode or whatever highest difficulty level mode there is in video games.
 

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@WanderingVagabond , for what it's worth, it's no picnic for women, either. Our heads are constantly being filled with conflicting "rules" about how to interact with men, or if we should interact with you at all. We're simultaneously told that we're better than you, we don't need you, we should be afraid of you, and we should be partners with you because we're equals--and that we'd better make damn sure that equality is being maintained because you'll turn on us like a rabid pit bull if we show weakness. Oh, and that we should be sure to maintain jobs and independent lives because you could up and leave at any moment, you cheating bastards.

I think the biggest mistake a person can make is to assume that the person being dated is the opponent in the game. Think of it more like Looking For Group than a 1v1 Arena Deathmatch; you're looking for a fellow player to navigate the dungeon with you, so the question is whether your playstyles mesh.

And now I'm offtopic, but it sure seemed like a good analogy so I rolled with it. Also, World of Warcraft sperg.
 

autisticdragonkin

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Is it just me or has Russia become trash since the 20th century? It seems that it progressively gets worst and worst as the years go by. The world hoped Russia had improved since the fall of the Soviet Union. Wishful thinking is cruel. Reading this has opened my mind a bit of the 'women only care about money' trope. I can see why they see money as a method of survival rather than a means of attraction. It seems this is also common here in the States as well. The music videos and seeing the elites ride in fancy cars can set the 'money is the most important thing in life' mindset. Let's face it, we live in a world where money rules everything. I'm also on the mindset of 'money can buy happiness' too, but I wouldn't care for a woman's income level at all.
The thing about money is the less you have the more important it is to you. Although the middle class is disappearing in the united states it is still nowhere near the level of eastern europe (depending on where one is in eastern europe it may be more equal in actual quantity of money but because one gets less benefit as one gains more money it is as though there is greater inequality)
I have to disagree that they're playing in easy mode. It's quite difficult finding a girlfriend in a country that's becoming anti-male just because of corrupt politicians and some fucked up men and there are so many 'rules'/'do this, don't do that when approaching women, oh wait the rules have changed again, do this but don't do that'. While I agree their standards are a bit out of reach and they didn't think things through, but I highly doubt that dating in America is on 'easy mode'. Lol, no, no it's not. Dating in America is like Master Ninja mode, Veteran Mode, Extreme mode or whatever highest difficulty level mode there is in video games.
Since I don't have any experience as a woman (honestly I instinctively don't believe what women say about their problems but assuming that I was in such a position I likely wouldn't believe what men say about their problems either) I can't say anything about whether men or women have it harder in the west but I think that saying it is the worst in the west is likely a severe exaggeration and at least the Arab world would be worse
 
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