The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

Forgetful Gynn

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Again, though, if no other explanation is possible, why is it necessary to forbid free inquiry into the matter on pain of imprisonment or fine? Why bolster accounts of a supposedly self-evident apparatus of industrialized killing with ghoulish forgeries like shrunken heads and human-skin lampshades? When the Germans invaded Poland, they did so under allegations that Polish civilians (and in many cases, Polish military units), inflamed by nationalist demogogues, were killing ethnic Germans en masse, and mutilating the bodies. The German authorities also retained rather extensive documentary evidence consistent with these accusations, so why couldn't the Allies keep their own stories straight?
Because if people found out it was fake then the holocaust would actually happen are allowed to question the One True Story it'll spread racism and hatred for people who did nothing wrong ever.
Considering that we now have second/third/fourth-generation "survivors" running around now...
With genetic memories and genetic PTSD from the events.
 

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We vaporized children. Thousands of them. In Hiroshima 90 percent of physicians and nurses were killed or injured; 42 of 45 hospitals were rendered non-functional; and 70 per cent of victims had combined injuries including, in most cases, severe burns. They died slow, wailing, painful deaths while watching everyone they knew or love die alongside them, if they weren't incinerated on the spot. I feel for POW's as much as any son of a soldier, but don't even pretend they're in the same ball park as atrocities go. The use of atomic weapons on major civilian population centers will be the greatest war crime of all time unless and until it ever happens again.
Tough fucking shit. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and a number of other places on 7 December 1941. Their occupations of China and the Philippines were beyond brutal. Dropping the bombs saved millions of lives, American and Japanese. No war crime at all. They started it, we finished it. Got it?
 

Forgetful Gynn

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Tough fucking shit. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and a number of other places on 7 December 1941. Their occupations of China and the Philippines were beyond brutal. Dropping the bombs saved millions of lives, American and Japanese. No war crime at all. They started it, we finished it. Got it?
Well of course it wasn't a war crime, those only apply to the losers in a conflict. But as for starting shit, Lend-Lease was our official entry into the war. Japan's attack was far more honorable than us smuggling arms and goods on civilian ships like petty crooks.
 

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Well of course it wasn't a war crime, those only apply to the losers in a conflict. But as for starting shit, Lend-Lease was our official entry into the war. Japan's attack was far more honorable than us smuggling arms and goods on civilian ships like petty crooks.
Study your history, then come back. Huge difference launching a multi-carrier attack on a Sunday morning without a declaration of war than providing supplies. We smuggled nothing. All Lend-Lease goods went via merchant ship to the places directed.
 

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I think one misconception that leads people to deny the Holocaust is the fact parts of Auschwitz and other camps have had renovation work that was passed off as original when you visit (they don't make it obvious)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/can-auschwitz-be-saved-4650863/

and like fr, it's fine to question all this & other parts of history but it is a little bit far to deny that peopled died in WW2 lol, it happened for sure. It might have gone down differently though, you'd have to ask the survivors personally for their tales....
 

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I think one misconception that leads people to deny the Holocaust is the fact parts of Auschwitz and other camps have had renovation work that was passed off as original when you visit (they don't make it obvious)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/can-auschwitz-be-saved-4650863/

and like fr, it's fine to question all this & other parts of history but it is a little bit far to deny that peopled died in WW2 lol, it happened for sure. It might have gone down differently though, you'd have to ask the survivors personally for their tales....
Who denied that people died in WW2?
 

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has anyone brought up the fact that there were only 5.5 million of Trump's chosen in Europe during the time the holocaust took place, and that that number never dropped by any significant margin during that time period?

I hope I'm not the only one who's wondering how 6 million yids were bussed in from across the globe, in every region that the nazis had access to or allies in, excluding europe of course, with literally no-one hearing about it or making a record of it in some shape or form. It's stuff like that that really makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 

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Huge difference launching a multi-carrier attack on a Sunday morning without a declaration of war than providing supplies.
An Act of war is an action by one country against another with an intention to provoke a war or an action that occurs during a declared war or armed conflict between military forces of any origin. Lend-Lease was an act of war. We say it wasn't only because we won said war and we write the history.
We smuggled nothing. All Lend-Lease goods went via merchant ship to the places directed.
On ships that looked civilian and carried civilians but were 100% military in use and purpose, through submarine infested waters. Then we got all indignant when the germans sank our smugglers, like the civilians on board weren't acting as human shields for jeeps and bullets that the soviets needed to continue their murder and rape of millions.
 
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On ships that looked civilian and carried civilians but were 100% military in use and purpose, through submarine infested waters. Then we got all indignant when the germans sank our smugglers, like the civilians on board weren't acting as human shields for jeeps and bullets that the soviets needed to continue their murder and rape of millions.
I think you might be confusing the second world war with the first one, unless the Allies really were dense enough to try the Lusitania method again and the Axis were dense enough to fall for it again.

EDIT: On a related note, there was the Japanese using the people of Okinawa as human shields.
 
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Forgetful Gynn

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I think you might be confusing the second world war with the first one, unless the Allies really were dense enough to try the Lusitania method again and the Axis were dense enough to fall for it again.

EDIT: On a related note, there was the Japanese using the people of Okinawa as human shields.
3.1 million tons of merchant ships were lost in World War II. Mariners died at a rate of 1 in 26, which was the highest rate of casualties of any service. All told, 733 American cargo ships were lost and 8,651 of the 215,000 who served perished in troubled waters and off enemy shores.
 

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Huh, they actually did it in WW2.

Also, I found this:

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The Embassy issued that warning at the request of German-Americans (most likely out of concern that they might get fucked in the ass for something they had no control over).
 
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Even if you support the Holocaust Narrative as basically true, you've gotta acknowledge how politically it's used today: To silence any criticism of Israel and/or liberalism. The whole thing is very disingenuous and exaggerated...aspects of the mythos like human soap and skin lampshades are taught as fact despite having so little substantiation not even the Yad Vashem defends them.

Makes you think the narrative should perhaps be questioned, or at least held to the same standard of evidence as any other historical event (which it isn't, with any revisionist, even Jews like Israel Shamir and Gilad Atzmon, being unpersoned).
 

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Tough fucking shit. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and a number of other places on 7 December 1941. Their occupations of China and the Philippines were beyond brutal. Dropping the bombs saved millions of lives, American and Japanese. No war crime at all. They started it, we finished it. Got it?
If you raped my sibling and I raped one of yours in retaliation that doesn't make it any less of a rape.
You can debate whether or not it was warranted or necessary until the sun burns out, but that does not make it any less of a warcrime.
 
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There is a weird wave of antisemitism in A&N today (more so than usual) and it gets me thinking about jew hating today.
It's usually a weird mix of opinions in those comments - On one hand people describe Jews as being very intelligent in how they plan to subvert everything, getting things exactly as planned. On the other hand people describe Jew's final destination by a future that is obviously harmful to them (why would they import Arabs to their country and strengthen China? When the former guarantees violence and the latter removes their control for an objectively worse regime).
 

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There is a weird wave of antisemitism in A&N today (more so than usual) and it gets me thinking about jew hating today.
It's usually a weird mix of opinions in those comments - On one hand people describe Jews as being very intelligent in how they plan to subvert everything, getting things exactly as planned. On the other hand people describe Jew's final destination by a future that is obviously harmful to them (why would they import Arabs to their country and strengthen China? When the former guarantees violence and the latter removes their control for an objectively worse regime).
If you hang around the far right, you see this split get described as "verbal intelligence vs. spatial intelligence." Verbal intelligence is understanding people and how to manipulate them, (salesmanship, psychology, etc.) while spatial intelligence is understanding objects and how to manipulate them (engineering, architecture, etc.) The theory is that Jews trend towards the former, meaning that they're much better at bullshitting than they are at making the bullshit work- after all, convincing people that snake oil cures cancer doesn't make it actually cure cancer. Eventually, the cognitive dissonance between the bullshit and reality becomes great enough that their targets snap out of it and turn on them, resulting in pogroms, expulsions, etc.
 

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There is a weird wave of antisemitism in A&N today (more so than usual) and it gets me thinking about jew hating today.
It's usually a weird mix of opinions in those comments - On one hand people describe Jews as being very intelligent in how they plan to subvert everything, getting things exactly as planned. On the other hand people describe Jew's final destination by a future that is obviously harmful to them (why would they import Arabs to their country and strengthen China? When the former guarantees violence and the latter removes their control for an objectively worse regime).
Fits better in a seperate thread.

The son of a rabbi once explained the difference in mentality to me as follows. Jews he said are mostly descended from herders and traders. They are used to going from place to place. This put evolutionary pressure on telling stories, short term making a buck (you're not staying there). Conversely Europeans are mostly descended from farmers (before the industrial revolution by far the most common occupation). This put evolutionary pressure on doing well in a location long term, building reputation, cooperation.

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Think about it like when Japan closed itself off during Senkoku. It was bad for business that there could be so little trade. The US forced Japan to open up by show of naval might. Why? Japan opening up meant trade opportunities. The social unrest that Japan had had prior due to missionaries spreading religion? Well what did a trader care about that? If Japan had a civil war over it, you could sell them a lot of guns and if one side won you could sell them more bibles.

What does a trader care if another of the diaspora decides to stay put and puts themselves in danger? There is value in weakening the sovereignity of european countries and forcing them to adhere to the superunion and immigration is an easy way to weaken them.

If you don't understand the various conflicts within jewry, mosy notably that between diaspora and israeli zionists, then it's going to be hard to understand the various political impulses that it produces.
 
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The son of a rabbi once explained the difference in mentality to me as follows. Jews he said are mostly descended from herders and traders. They are used to going from place to place. This put evolutionary pressure on telling stories, short term making a buck (you're not staying there). Conversely Europeans are mostly descended from farmers (before the industrial revolution by far the most common occupation). This put evolutionary pressure on doing well in a location long term, building reputation, cooperation.
1. And that son's name? Albert Einstein.
2. This doesn't approach neuroscience by a country mile- it's a just-so story along the lines of "African-Americans are more athletic than Europeans because their ancestors had to fight lions on the plains of Africa" or Gingritch's comments on men being biologically-unsuited for serving in the Navy because they're "driven to go out and hunt giraffes". The Kingdom of Judea and the peoples of Europe both had populaces that depended on herding, farming, and trade to survive. The Judeans were more dependent on seasonal rains than river-valley states located elsewhere in the Middle East (deliberately avoiding citing the Online Library of Israel, since people will claim it's all lies if they hear it from that source), but, bluntly, this is not meaningfully different than another famous culture with little arable land in river valleys, and that also practiced a great deal of herding and trade: the Greeks, the oft-termed "founders of the West".
This theory also fails to explain how, say, the Scandinavians, who relied on farming even less than the Jews or the Meds and had to depend on fishing and raiding, haven't developed similar biological imperatives based on their lifestyles.
To proof against the claim that "we aren't talking about biology, we're talking about culture!": The culture of the Jewish people has changed massively since the "herder/trader" days of Judea, and the idea that all Jews (or an overwhelming majority of them, at the very least) across countries, ideologies, religious conversions, and internal divides are engaging in swarm-like coordination to Subvert the West requires Jews either have telepathic powers or a biological imperative for their behavior. Any claim that the Jews feign division as some kind of ploy merely points to the question of how they could all coordinate this so perfectly, leading back to either telepathy or biological imperative.
 
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