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Unfortunately, I can't find the German internal documents I referred to earlier, I thought I had them saved on my other computer, but foolishly, I didn't save them when I first encountered them long ago, so now they are lost to history unless OCD forces me to waste more time trying to google them. Anyways, we can find plenty of evidence of German legitimacy for their cause for war:
Legitimacy of claims:
Semi-related: In 1920, Polish protestants voted to remain part of Germany. Their vote was ignored and they were made part of Poland instead because victors decide the rules. This is just an illustration of how national self-determination was ignored in order to try to destroy Germany after WW1. It is because of this sort of denial of the will of the public that we saw conflicts popping up so often in the region.
Jewish/Finance influence in Britain leading to worsening of relations
Hitler seizing property from Rothschilds, this is upsetting to Britain's government as the Rothschilds were very influential in Britain. The royal family personally issued a complaint to Hitler about this.
Why Germany attacked
In addition to my earlier statements about Poland's illegal occupation of Danzig...
I could go on, Poland was engaging in many provocations against Germany. I don't think the Germans actually engaged in any provocations at all against Poland before WW2 (like imprisoning and shooting Poles, or encroaching onto Danzig militarily). Hitler did everything completely above the table and sent reasonable compromises, while Britain was gathering allies against Germany and Poland was sabre-rattling and attacking Germans.
Unfortunately, I can't find the German internal documents I referred to earlier, I thought I had them saved on my other computer, but foolishly, I didn't save them when I first encountered them long ago, so now they are lost to history unless OCD forces me to waste more time trying to google them. Anyways, we can find plenty of evidence of German legitimacy for their cause for war:
Legitimacy of claims:
Danzig was 95% German, only ~3.5% Polish. Polish interest in the city was for how they could economically exploit it, not based on the wishes of the public, which democratically voted an NSDAP government for multiple elections in a row.![]()
Free City of Danzig - Wikipedia
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Semi-related: In 1920, Polish protestants voted to remain part of Germany. Their vote was ignored and they were made part of Poland instead because victors decide the rules. This is just an illustration of how national self-determination was ignored in order to try to destroy Germany after WW1. It is because of this sort of denial of the will of the public that we saw conflicts popping up so often in the region.
Jewish/Finance influence in Britain leading to worsening of relations
Hitler seizing property from Rothschilds, this is upsetting to Britain's government as the Rothschilds were very influential in Britain. The royal family personally issued a complaint to Hitler about this.
Winston Churchill had massive banking losses and had gone bankrupt, he had been saved from his debts by people who sponsored his return to politics and effectively owned him.![]()
Winston Churchill spent £40,000 a year on casinos and £54,000 on booze
The qualities that were to make Churchill a great war leader came very close to destroying him time and again during his career, as manic optimism and risk-taking plunged him into colossal debt.www.dailymail.co.uk
Churchill admits in letter to Stalin that he never intended to have peace with Germany.“We never thought of peace, not even in that year when we were completely isolated and could have made peace without serious detriment to the British Empire, and extensively at your cost. Why should we think of it now, when victory approaches for the three of us?”-Winston Churchill
This is just corroboration of what I said earlier, that Hitler blamed Churchill and Eden specifically as being pawns of international financiers, and being the ones responsible for Britain entering WW2 against Germany.Hitler, of course, knew this very well. In Saarbrücken, on October 9th, 1938 he said: "...All it would take would be for Mr. Duff Cooper or Mr. Eden or Mr. Churchill to come to power in England instead of Chamberlain, and we know very well that it would be the goal of these men to immediately start a new world war. They do not even try to disguise their intents, they state them openly..."34
Why Germany attacked
In addition to my earlier statements about Poland's illegal occupation of Danzig...
Britain was trying to convince Romania and other countries to enter into an anti-German alliance. Britain was also arming itself for war and had a much superior economy to Germany. In general, if a war was inevitable, then waiting would be diplomatically and economically disadvantageous for Germany, so attacking was the only option when it was clear peace had failed.Well we should say they did end up attacking, which was a momentous decision given the fact it might trigger a world war. Over just a tiny ("symbolic" as you say) territory. There must have been some internal justification of this path, the risk and reward so to speak.
Polish intellectuals making quite genocidal statements publicly, I could spam up the thread with quotes like theseOn October 1923, Stanislaus Grabski, who later was to become Minister of Public Worship and Instruction, announced: "We want to base our relations on love, but there is one kind of love for one's own people and another kind for strangers. Their percentage is decidedly too high here. Posen [which had been given to Poland after the First World War] can show us one way to reduce that percentage from 14% or even 20% to 1½%. The foreign element will have to see if it would not be better off elsewhere. The Polish land is exclusively for the Poles!"20
"(The Germans in Poland) are intelligent enough to realize that in the event of war no enemy on Polish soil will get away alive... The Führer is far away, but the Polish soldiers are close, and in the woods there is no shortage of branches."21
-Henryk Baginski, Poland and the Baltic, Edinburgh 1942. Quoted in Bolko Frhr. v. Richthofen, op.cit. (Note 19), p. 81
Poles were arresting and shooting ethnic Germans. I could spam up the thread with quotes like these as well.…I traveled up to the Polish corridor where the German authorities permitted me to interview the German refugees from many Polish cities and towns. The story was the same. Mass arrests and long marches along roads toward the interior of Poland. The railroads were crowded with troop movements. Those who fell by the wayside were shot. The Polish authorities seemed to have gone mad. I have been questioning people all my life and I think I know how to make deductions from the exaggerated stories told by people who have passed through harrowing personal experiences. But even with generous allowance, the situation was plenty bad. To me the war seemed only a question of hours. -Donald Day, Chicago Tribune
I could go on, Poland was engaging in many provocations against Germany. I don't think the Germans actually engaged in any provocations at all against Poland before WW2 (like imprisoning and shooting Poles, or encroaching onto Danzig militarily). Hitler did everything completely above the table and sent reasonable compromises, while Britain was gathering allies against Germany and Poland was sabre-rattling and attacking Germans.