The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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Lemmingwise

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Seeing how quickly and how pervasively the war propaganda out of Ukraine is spread by a compliant media and accepted by the majority of the West - it is so eerily similar to how the various Holocaust narratives were spread and accepted at face value.

What people don't realize is the amount of fantastic and obvious false accounts during and immediately after the war which were even used as proof during the Nuremberg trials but were later "conveniently forgotten."

Things like the "Ghost of Kiev" and "13 Soldier Martyrs of Snake Island" had their counterparts in early holocaust stories.

I had a neighbour mention the russian murder of a village. I found the idea wholly believable. I still asked the question: "how do you know?" And he, being a pretty smart guy and nearly as suspicious as I am of dominant marratives, admitted instantly: "oh good point, I hadn't thought of that."

While the evidence that the ukrainians were torturing and killing russian prisoners is plenty abundant.


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On a somewhat related note.

I'm only just now learning more about the katyn massacre. A massacre that was also presented at nuremberg, the murder of 22000 polish high ranking civilians and servicemen.

Unlike majority of the holocaust deaths, there was physical evidence not just of dissappearance, but also of the massacre itself as the bodies were found still clothed. Forensic evidence further determined that they were polish military and not just dressed up as such, since boots and clothes fit well.

This was regarded as a german war crime by all allied forces right up until 1990, when russian authorities admitted this was perpetrated by the nkvd secret police on stalin's orders.

Supposedly the non soviet Allies (britain/US) knew all along, but accepted the soviet line, because they did not want to imperil their alliance. This last bit is what I'm looking into right now to see if there are indeed communications that prove that this is the case.

Yet at nuremberg 7 german officers were hanged for this war crime and 3 more civilians sent to soviet work camps "for 20 years" and never heard from again.

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There is Goebbels diary entry where he predicted after they briefly lost control of katyn in September 29, 1943 and then took it back, that it would be a massacre blamed on germany:

Unfortunately we have had to give up Katyn. The Bolsheviks undoubtedly will soon 'find' that we shot twelve thousand Polish officers. That episode is one that is going to cause us quite a little trouble in the future. The Soviets are undoubtedly going to make it their business to discover as many mass graves as possible and then blame it on us.
 
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Moe Szylak

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I refuse to believe that anyone in this day and age is gullible enough to believe the official fairytale narrative.

Oh and fuck ZOGensky the oven dodging fuck

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Food for thought: Russia had the means, motive, and opportunity for the "holocaust" under areas it controlled from 1939-1941, and was already moving Jews to the worlds only Jewish Autonomous Oblast in far eastern Soviet Union (out of the warmness of their hearts), they were also already used to mass murder (under Stalin) and lying about it (Katyn Forest) and they knew how to play western media like a fiddle.

 

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The fact that many countries in Europe have laws the demand you do not question their Holocaust narrative is a big red flag and should've been the indicator that the narrative they spread about the Holocaust is indeed false. Unfortunately there are millions of people who never had developed any capability to critical thinking, they roll along with the fact they're not allowed to question the narrative like the roll along with vaccine passports and being blackmailed into taking an untested vaccine. These same people would have no problem having a chip under their skin or being commanded to line up to being killed in a firing squad. The fact they could effectively pull off this politically correct narrative of the holocaust, have everyone believe it and make it fact makes me wonder if some people were born missing certain portions of their brain leading to critical thinking (albeit a disability of some sort) or if I cut their faces off it reveals a robotic husk of a face. We've all been there, I like many other people used to believe Adolf Hitler was a madman who unreasonably killed people but seeing the side the pushes that narrative it just comes to me that a nationalist killing off minorities makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. When I heard the other side to the story about the Holocaust narrative have I finally came to the conclusion Hitler did nothing wrong to the point where the politically correct narrative of the Holocaust becoming fact continuously annoys me, also what continuously annoys me is how the allies won World War 2 to begin with, which could explain all these medical conditions that torment me while other people telling me that they were normal to begin with had Hitler won World War 2 there would be no monopoly on the pharmaceutical industry as ideologies like Capitalism and Communism are frowned upon. The notion that Holocaust Revisionists and National Socialists were Anti-Semitic and Racists is absolutely ludicrous. I've been a holocaust revisionist for many months now and I don't have any hatred for Jews or Minorities because if I believe Hitler had nothing against them, why would I. My Parents actually understand I am a holocaust revisionist although they do believe in the lies the globalists told them but I am thankful they never disowned me and they fully understand I am not a horrible person for having a different outlook on National Socialists. Although I am annoyed by the fact the politically correct narrative of the Holocaust became fact. I am not gonna force beliefs on other people as forcing opinions is just wrong. I am in the notion that people need to figure things out for themselves.
 

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The fact that many countries in Europe have laws the demand you do not question their Holocaust narrative is a big red flag and should've been the indicator that the narrative they spread about the Holocaust is indeed false. Unfortunately there are millions of people who never had developed any capability to critical thinking, they roll along with the fact they're not allowed to question the narrative like the roll along with vaccine passports and being blackmailed into taking an untested vaccine. These same people would have no problem having a chip under their skin or being commanded to line up to being killed in a firing squad. The fact they could effectively pull off this politically correct narrative of the holocaust, have everyone believe it and make it fact makes me wonder if some people were born missing certain portions of their brain leading to critical thinking (albeit a disability of some sort) or if I cut their faces off it reveals a robotic husk of a face. We've all been there, I like many other people used to believe Adolf Hitler was a madman who unreasonably killed people but seeing the side the pushes that narrative it just comes to me that a nationalist killing off minorities makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. When I heard the other side to the story about the Holocaust narrative have I finally came to the conclusion Hitler did nothing wrong to the point where the politically correct narrative of the Holocaust becoming fact continuously annoys me, also what continuously annoys me is how the allies won World War 2 to begin with, which could explain all these medical conditions that torment me while other people telling me that they were normal to begin with had Hitler won World War 2 there would be no monopoly on the pharmaceutical industry as ideologies like Capitalism and Communism are frowned upon. The notion that Holocaust Revisionists and National Socialists were Anti-Semitic and Racists is absolutely ludicrous. I've been a holocaust revisionist for many months now and I don't have any hatred for Jews or Minorities because if I believe Hitler had nothing against them, why would I. My Parents actually understand I am a holocaust revisionist although they do believe in the lies the globalists told them but I am thankful they never disowned me and they fully understand I am not a horrible person for having a different outlook on National Socialists. Although I am annoyed by the fact the politically correct narrative of the Holocaust became fact. I am not gonna force beliefs on other people as forcing opinions is just wrong. I am in the notion that people need to figure things out for themselves.

The idea that national socialists were anti-semitic or racist is ludicrous? Why do you believe that?
 

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The idea that national socialists were anti-semitic or racist is ludicrous? Why do you believe that?
Anti-Semitic and Racist have become weaponized terms used against people to label them as something that cannot be defended. It you dare do anything that pisses off these Zionists, you will be cursed with that label which gives the normies any incentive to attack you. It is written in Mein Kampf that the reason Adolf Hitler hated a majority of Jews is because a majority of Jews are communists. Adolf Hitler was horrendously disturbed by the genocide and man made famines caused in the Soviet Union and he does not want this system to be implemented in the country he's grown up into and loved. The citizens of Germany had every good reason to admire Adolf Hitler since he was the one who serves as the antidote to these atrocities. He saw the atrocities that happened in the Weimar Republic during that time and when he ruled Germany, he still had to deal with many Jewish Bolsheviks that constantly carry out terrorist attacks in his state. Kristallnacht was actually an event of Civil Unrest fueled by Bolshevik Terrorism as an expression that ordinary German Citizens are sick and tired of being raped and pillaged by these Bolsheviks. Hitler tried his hardest to reason with the Bolsheviks, offered to give them back their territory if they leave his territory alone but the Bolshevik's just won't budge. Bolshevik's are strictly adjusted to a system of wrath and will never be satisfied until every good thing is completely destroyed, until everyone is devoid of spirit, until they have complete control over everything. After the Allies won World War 2, Zionists practically rule the world, created a one government system called the United Nations and waged psychological warfare on all of it's citizens for 80 years and punish anyone who dares question them as well as create an illusion of false patriotism. It's only until the past 10 years that people have been waking up in large numbers, study the behavior of landlords, study holocaust revisionism, and reject things Globalists tell them and find out about that truth. That's also the same timeframe globalist media censorship and crackdowns on freedoms became the strongest, it's a sign of their desperation. From the 1950s until the 2010s, A vast majority of people weren't aware of this living in their illusion of a free world. Their freedoms were only being taken away from them slowly enough they won't notice and eventually roll with it not knowing they are being tricked. John F Kennedy was known for being assassinated in 1963 because the Zionists are not pleased with the fact he does not buy into the politically correct narrative of the Holocaust.
 

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It's kind of hard to take the "offered to give the Bolsheviks back their territory if they leave his territory alone" thing seriously, at least where Eastern Europe is concerned, considering, IIRC, Mein Kampf also mentioned Lebensraum.
 

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It's kind of hard to take the "offered to give the Bolsheviks back their territory if they leave his territory alone" thing seriously, at least where Eastern Europe is concerned, considering, IIRC, Mein Kampf also mentioned Lebensraum.
Lebensraum was only mentioned 3 times in Mein Kampf and was given a different meaning in that book.
 

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The fact that many countries in Europe have laws the demand you do not question their Holocaust narrative is a big red flag and should've been the indicator that the narrative they spread about the Holocaust is indeed false.
To not question their Holocaust narrative is like igniting a Streisand effect. It awaken the curiosity instead of the intended effect. Btw, is the situation is the same about the Holodomor and the Armenian Genocide?
 

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My Parents actually understand I am a holocaust revisionist although they do believe in the lies the globalists told them
I remember back when I first started learning about Holocaust revisionism I would tell some of it to close family members, who thought it was interesting but still stuck to the original narrative. These days? Won't bother since they're stuck in their ways, and starting a argument with family about that is dumb. Always been mixed about it myself. Think the Holocaust happened in some capacity but not nearly on the scale as they claimed it was. Either way I still love good ol' Uncle Adolf (at least til the end).
 

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I remember back when I first started learning about Holocaust revisionism I would tell some of it to close family members, who thought it was interesting but still stuck to the original narrative. These days? Won't bother since they're stuck in their ways, and starting a argument with family about that is dumb. Always been mixed about it myself. Think the Holocaust happened in some capacity but not nearly on the scale as they claimed it was. Either way I still love good ol' Uncle Adolf (at least til the end).

What do you mean "at least til the end"?

Honestly expected something a little more hardline from a moonman avatar, lol.

Talks with family are interesting. I asked my dad about if he ever considered if things happened exactly as they were claimed in the holocaust. He said: "I don't need to have seen something to imagine it."

Those words really stuck with me. And I thought about it. And I thought about how when we talked about it in class, we were asked to close our eyes and imagine it, for a few minutes, what it would be like to be put in a gas chamber, you can't get out, and you choke to death. I started paying attention more when I saw a documentary and each time there was a request made to "imagine what it was like." When I had seen enough evidence to become strongly skeptical of the official version, I reconsidered it. My conclusion was that it was a very convincing technique. If you've asked people to imagine what something was like (and they actually do), they fill it with details of their own making. And because they made the details themselves, they are details that fit the story they've been primed to think about. It's a very good storytelling technique to make a story seem more real. It's quite literally inception, if you think about it. Imagine what you can make people believe, if they flesh out your ideas with their own imagination.
 

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What do you mean "at least til the end"
Volksturm and fighting a battle you're obviously going to lose for the sake of your pride. I get it was also because either side was going to fuck your nation up in their own way, but he could of surrendered to the allies. Lot of pointless death and destruction, but that is also war, and I can still emphasize why he stuck to it til the end.

Honestly expected something a little more hardline from a moonman avatar, lol.
When you haven't really been on /pol/ consistently for years since OG 8chan, and get opinions from all walks of life, your opinions tend to change. I still hate niggers if that makes you feel any better lmao.


If you've asked people to imagine what something was like (and they actually do), they fill it with details of their own making. And because they made the details themselves, they are details that fit the story they've been primed to think about. It's a very good storytelling technique to make a story seem more real.
Yeah its effective. I remember crying as a teenager to Boy in the Stripe Pajamas when they showed it in school. You just putting yourself in their shoes makes it all seem real.
 

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Slightly off-topic but I thought it might be worth to share this article talking of the "Slavocaust" aka "Slavic-Holocaust".

20th Century was no stranger to tragedies. There were the two great World Wars. There was the mass killings of Armenians, the Shoah, Nanking Massacre, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Rwandan Genocide, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, Mao’s famines and campaign against culture, wars in Vietnam and Algeria, and many more. But perhaps one that has been overlooked could broadly be called the Slavocaust, or Slavic-Holocaust. Now, the tragedies that fall into this category have been studied and discussed — the Great Famine in Ukraine under Bolshevism is one of the most well-known example — as individual events, but perhaps what we need is a more comprehensive overview of a pattern of events that could be summed up as a War on Slavs. When we ponder the entire forest than fixate on individual trees, a pattern emerges. One such pattern may explain the particularly tragic history of the Slavs, especially Russians/Ukrainians. And in a very real way, the animus behind Slavocaust of the 20th century is still with us, especially as so much of the world is under the hegemony of the Empire of Judea or EOJ. Jewish hatred of Slavs is now near-genocidal.

The main pattern that emerges from Eastern Europe and Russia in the 20th century concerns the Jewish(Semitic) and Germanic(Aryan) Wars of Enslavement and Extermination against the Slavic Peoples. Why did Germans and Jews play key roles in this? This seems all the odder considering that, especially from 1933 to 1945, the Semites and Aryans were the fiercest enemies in the world. To be sure, there was a supporting cast of characters in the Slavocaust by Anglos, British and American. And to a lesser extent, Japan that was used, prior to WWII and during the Cold War, as an collaborator against Russia.

Now, I don’t mean to suggest that Slavs have been some pure-as-snow saints of history. As we all know, Slavic history is filled with warriors, conquerors, ruthless tyrants, imperialists, and lunatics. Russia got so big because it conquered other peoples, and it’s understandable why many peoples, including non-Russian Slavs, developed hostilities toward Russians as overbearing invaders and despoilers. People are people, and Slavs could be as good or bad as anyone(though perhaps Negroes are one race that defies imagination in terms of morality; DNA tells us that all of humanity could roughly be divided between Sub-Saharan Africans and Everyone Else).

That said, geography condemned the Slavs(especially those further to the East) to a rather troubled place in history. Like Southern Europe — Balkans and Spain, Italy, & Portugal — , the Slavic territories were exposed to non-European invaders. Spain came under Moorish rule for several centuries. Parts of the Balkans came under Turkish rule(though some may include Turkey as part of Europe). As Slavic peoples lived in the Eastern territories, they were the first Europeans to be ravaged when the Mongols moved westward from the Gobi steppes. And Russians were constantly at war with the Turkic Muslim peoples. For nearly three centuries, Russians lived under the Mongol yoke. And with the Muslims of Turkic regions and Central Asia, the Russian gave as good as they got(but they ‘got’ a lot). According to Andrei Tarkovsky in THE MIRROR, Russia played a christ-like role in European history. If not for Russia as sacrificial bulwark, the West could have been flooded with the Mongol Horde, and then, who knows what the history of Christendom and Europe might have been. Weakened by threats from North Africa, Turkic peoples, and Mongols, maybe the European pageant would have been quashed… like the glory of Greece was lost long ago when invasions upon invasions left only skeletons of Hellenic glory.

And yet, it was precisely because Russia underwent that ‘christ-like’ sacrificial role that it came to be despised than appreciated by the West. Instead of gratitude toward Slavs for serving as the demographic brunt against the Mongols, many in the West came to see them as whites tainted with Asiatic blood and poisoned with Oriental Despotism. They were seen as the lesser Europeans, if European at all.
And even in the Modern Era, Russian aristocrats came to regard their people in a condescending, even contemptuous, manner. If Russian rulers like Ivan the Terrible were infected with the virus of ‘Oriental Despotism’ and ruled like a ‘Khan’, the later Russian rulers held themselves aloof from the Slavic rabble; they took special pride in their ‘western’ cultivation. The famed Catherine the Great was actually a German. And Russian elites who modeled themselves on Western attitudes and manners snubbed their own national folk. Given that only a sliver of privileged Russians had the means to be educated in the West, it led to a widening divide between the elites and the masses. Russian royalty married with non-Russians, especially the Germans. Many preferred to speak French than Russian, considered as a barbarian tongue. These elites weren’t ‘oriental despotist’ but despotic just the same because they turned up their noses at Russian commoners as semi-barbarian louts and boors munching on raw potatoes and mired in superstition. So, whether Russian elites followed the Oriental model or the Western model, they generally disdained their folks. In Oriental Despotic mode, the masses were seen as obedient cattle. In Western Enlightenment mode, the masses were seen as ignorant dummies. Peter the Great was a westernizing modernizer, but he treated his people as chattel in the building of St. Petersburg. Catherine the Great patronized Western artists and thinkers but only reinforced the institution of serfdom. Enlightenment was for the washed and perfumed.