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I really think the YA world needs a figure like YaBoiZack, star BookGate or something.
Agreed. We need someone redpilled to call everyone out. I think it may just take one semi-famous person standing up and calling this out for what it is to get others to as well. Even if they don't expose BookGate (which is kind of what this is--I'm pretty sure 'gate' as a suffix means scandal of some sort, often with a coverup), there needs to be at least some semblance of sanity. I do think that this SJW bullshit will stop in the next few years, but not if people continue to enable this behavior. Remaining silent is just as bad as participating in this case because you're enabling it.

That being said, I'm not sure how much one person can do if they don't already have a decent following. You'd need clout and you'd need to not back down. Boyne had good points in that article but he was kind of a pussy in the end by deleting his account.
 
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Agreed. We need someone redpilled to call everyone out. I think it may just take one semi-famous person standing up and calling this out for what it is to get others to as well. Even if they don't expose BookGate (which is kind of what this is--I'm pretty sure 'gate' as a suffix means scandal of some sort, often with a coverup), there needs to be at least some semblance of sanity. I do think that this SJW bullshit will stop in the next few years, but not if people continue to enable this behavior. Remaining silent is just as bad as participating in this case because you're enabling it.

That being said, I'm not sure how much one person can do if they don't already have a decent following. You'd need clout and you'd need to not back down. Boyne had good points in that article but he was kind of a pussy in the end by deleting his account.
I bet somewhere out there is a YA equivalent of YaBoiZack ... someone who probably got short stories published in magazines or anthologies, and who kept getting turned down for publication and resorts to selfpubbing his YA book, and is just waiting to launch his (or her) youtube career ...
They wouldn't even necessarily need a pre-established audience, Zack didn't!
 
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I really think the YA world needs a figure like YaBoiZack, star BookGate or something.
Wouldn't work for this media.

Comics, movies, or tv were infiltrated by progressives because there was a limit based on gatekeeping. not everybody has a camera, not everybody can make a comic. But writing is easy and YA was created by mediocre fanfickers who wanted to project their own delusion into well established characters. BoiZack was an old fan who got fed up with progressives, but YA is made by progressives who moved on from just writing HP fanfics. The whole deal is an spawn of SJWs trying to be creative, unlike other media.
 
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Wouldn't work for this media.

Comics, movies, or tv were infiltrated by progressives because there was a limit based on gatekeeping. not everybody has a camera, not everybody can make a comic. But writing is easy and YA was created by mediocre fanfickers who wanted to project their own delusion into well established characters. BoiZack was an old fan who got fed up with progressives, but YA is made by progressives who moved on from just writing HP fanfics. The whole deal is an spawn of SJWs trying to be creative, unlike other media.
Ehh. I see what you mean, but there's still gatekeeping in publishing, there's preference being given to people based on surface traits, and Twitter hatemobs. It's not completely dissimilar to ComicsGate in that regard. While I agree it's easier to write a book and upload it to Amazon, someone who's serious about it will use an editor, and someone to create the cover.
 

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Ehh. I see what you mean, but there's still gatekeeping in publishing, there's preference being given to people based on surface traits, and Twitter hatemobs. It's not completely dissimilar to ComicsGate in that regard. While I agree it's easier to write a book and upload it to Amazon, someone who's serious about it will use an editor, and someone to create the cover.
You really don't need to have something published to be a "writer": you have fanfiction.net, AO3, tumblr. Heck, E.L. James was quite known before she was published.

My point is that most SJWs are mediocre people. And even mediocre people can write a story that some other mediocre people will enjoy. Eventually, these people became the YA fandom. THey do believe they have the authority to say what writing is good or bad. This doesn't happen in movies in this sepcific way because they don't make movies: they write fanfiction about such movies. They thing they are entitled to be considering part of the writing community not just as fans.
 
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Ehh. I see what you mean, but there's still gatekeeping in publishing, there's preference being given to people based on surface traits, and Twitter hatemobs. It's not completely dissimilar to ComicsGate in that regard. While I agree it's easier to write a book and upload it to Amazon, someone who's serious about it will use an editor, and someone to create the cover.
Not to mention marketing. Even paid self-publishing usually offers some advertisement. CreateSpace doesn't unless you add it on, and even then there's no guarantee. Plus, free publishing sites don't include things needed that will help a book sell, like decent cover art and editing like you said, plus consultations to make sure it's absolutely perfect, reviews from big review websites, advertising/marketing, etc. Not to mention all the other benefits, such as a certain number of free copies and copyright registration (which is technically offered by sites like Wattpad for free, but since you normally pay well into three figures for a formal copyright, I doubt it's legally binding).
You really don't need to have something published to be a "writer": you have fanfiction.net, AO3, tumblr. Heck, E.L. James was quite known before she was published.
I see your point there, but the days of being taken seriously if you were originally a writer on Wattpad are long gone. Not only is the plagiarism risk pretty high with sites like that, but people like Anna Todd, Cassie Clare, and EL James, who published their shitty fanfics with enough changed to avoid copyright issues, ruined the image. I recently talked to someone who is traditionally published and her biggest tip is to not post on any of those sites, as they don't have the best reputation. Not to mention it doesn't offer as many benefits. Usually if you want to be seen on those apps, you have to do fan fiction or something about you as a person has to stand out. Even then it's very hit or miss.

Not to mention, there is a difference between being a writer and being an author, which is what I think @Puddleduck was getting at. Being an author means being published and making money. That's the true difference here--you can't make money on Wattpad. Unless you're lucky enough to get one of the paid story slots, you won't make a cent there. As far as I know, the same is true of the other sites. And let's face it, anyone who is looking to publish through CreateSpace is doing it to make money. If they didn't want to they would just post it online and print off copies themselves for people who want one.

If anyone wants any notoriety anymore in the book world, particularly YA, it's going to be much harder if you're not a minority of some sort.
 

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My Brother’s Name is Jessica got published despite all of the protests from the moral busybodies: https://mobile.twitter.com/PuffinBooks/status/1118907044717895680
Good. Nice to see he didn't cave to the outrage mob.

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LMFAO yes, a publishing company is going to listen to some no-name person like you.

Let's check out their profile. Here's their profile pic and cover photo:
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Definitely a real woman.

I will say, someone who read it said there was a lot of stereotypes that are wrong, among other issues, and they seemed to offer a decent and reasonable argument, which I can respect honestly, considering most people just reacted with emotion.
 

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Why the fuck do people keep responding to shit on social media?
Girl, just self-publish your fucking book and don't reply to inflammatory shit on the internet- it really isn't that hard.

Same goes to any aspiring authors too afraid to piss off the woke crowd to publish their shit- just do it yourself and ignore the twitter mob.
 

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And now their opinion doesn't matter.
Well shit.

Found his website. I guess we have to be on the lookout for the term 'inclusion read' now: https://jayhulme.com/inclusion-media
He also offers 'Trans Issues Training'. Lovely.
Why the fuck do people keep responding to shit on social media?
Girl, just self-publish your fucking book and don't reply to inflammatory shit on the internet- it really isn't that hard.

Same goes to any aspiring authors too afraid to piss off the woke crowd to publish their shit- just do it yourself and ignore the twitter mob.
Seems like the mistake that keeps popping up is hiring sensitivity readers. You can hire an editor, and even beta readers (though honestly, you may not need both), and not worry about making sure your work is sensitive enough for the small but VERY VOCAL minority of people who may be offended. That seems to be where everyone is fucking up.
 
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The title of this book alone is transphobic, so I don't think this is it at all, chief.
These people have to be actually autistic, not as internet autistic, but the real tism. Holy fuck.

The title ain't "transphobic", the point of the title is that the protagonist's brother is on thepath of transition. It wouldn't be the same impact if it's called "MY SISTER'S NAME IS JESSICA".

Also, write your own books.


Also, stop writing books about troons, no one cares. It's an overdone topic anyway. Wanna know about trans and fiction? Read tumblr.
 

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This video sums up the issue well:
She's not wrong honestly. I agree with her.

Also, I'd forgotten about the blacklist. That's terrifying honestly. I feel like people would see a name on there and not even give the people a chance. It's amazing how things can get twisted through the rumor mill. What someone says that could have been misspoken or just plain overblown could leave them with a black mark for life.

I also didn't know about the morals contracts and that's equally terrifying. That would be so easy to abuse that. You know who else has morality contracts? Churches. Christian schools. Places I guarantee you most of the 'woke' SJW crowd would speak out about. Many churches, at least Fundamentalist ones, will make you sign a contract when you work for them. Don't do anything illegal or immoral, like drugs or sex or even view porn. Don't do anything that would negatively reflect on the church. Same with Christian schools--one of the ones in my area will expel you if you do something on your own time that would make the school look bad. Girl gets pregnant? EXPELLED. Some of the high schoolers throw a party and get drunk? EXPELLED. But yes, morality contracts are totally different when it's the woke alt-left that makes them.
Also, stop writing books about troons, no one cares. It's an overdone topic anyway. Wanna know about trans and fiction? Read tumblr.
yeah, they'll play into every stereotype and then some.
 
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So, I watched the video.

w o w

Why are editorials given these people so much power, anyway? They're a minority among their audience. No one cares. I really wish someone just take a stand and simply goes in a blocking spree as an statement. What are they gonna do? Not buying? I'm sure most editorials have other clients who wouldn't give a damn anyway.
 

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Shit like this makes me fucking glad I decided to just write adult fiction instead of YA, because holy shit I have no intention on writing for infantile minded fascists.
Same. YA isn't even really for the target age group anymore. Honestly, the 12-17 year olds who would read it literally could not give two fucks what race some ambiguous character is unless they need to know for a book report. But they also don't have as much power. Like, I think a 30yo white woman with contacts in the industry has more for me to be afraid of than a 17yo who doesn't even know what they want to major in when they go to college.

But hey, I've never really met someone who reads adult-oriented books freak out because of James Patterson, a white man, writing novels about a black man. Nor does anyone care when a middle grade book isn't properly appropriated. There was a small subplot in one of the Diary of a Wimpy Kid books where the main character pretends that the Indian kid is invisible. I've never seen anyone say a word about that. If it were YA and not MG, I guarantee you someone would be reeeing about racism and how that's erasure and how a white boy doing it made it even worse and all that shit.
 

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This video sums up the issue well:
Man, with how much this shit plagues the YA literature, I just cannot imagine what romance is like nowadays. I haven't touched a romance novel in years simply because I find many of them to be too hokey, and/or are just cut from the same cloth in how they choose the setting, the main heroine (if you wish to call her that), the main tall, dark and handsome stud, the antagonistic slimy fiancé who's secretly misogynistic and puts down the heroine any chance he gets, and their badly-written sex position of choice for their first time on top of the flowery purple prose they're consistently formatted in. They're all the same fucking books that bored housewives keep salivating over in their rocking chairs while their rugrats are at school and their husbands slave away at the office. And yes, this includes YA books no thanks to Twilight and the stupid "paranormal romance" genre it kickstarted.

But I imagine the romance novels are also dictated by your Cassandra Clares and other fanfic writers who dance around copyright to get their shitty yaoi fic published officially, so bleh. Glad I stopped reading them so I can focus on polishing up my own work of what I want, even though it sounds just as stupid for writers to circlejerk to their own works. I'm also baffled by how it is my grandmother can put up with reading YA novels just because she clutches her pearls over adult books yet once dipped her toes in the literary world with the same themes she's complained about (my dad likes to snark about it much to her displeasure, and she always has the same excuse, "Because I was telling a story!"). Wonder what she would think if I were to just, I dunno, casually drop this video into her inbox while bitching about the state of the industry.
 
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