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[Ebonic Tutor]

It was bullshit what they did to Travis Woo he was performing really well that season.

From the bit I've seen since he left magic he honestly seems kind of happier and trying to be more constructive. Dude has a lot of mental issues from what I recall, part of the reason it upset me when they went after him like they did for some other stuff he said when he was off his meds I think?

 

[Opiophile]

It was bullshit what they did to Travis Woo he was performing really well that season.

Banning Jeremy is one thing. He had a YouTube channel and went to the large Magic events but Travis was a pretty top level pro player, and beloved by many fans. The dude built great meta buster decks and seemed like an interesting guy. His banning was even more ridiculous than Jeremy's. I mean come on, a fucking Facebook group? Regardless, I hope the guy is doing well now that he is out of that insane environment.

@Ebonic Tutor is right about the troons. I hope that one ginger Britbong troon WoTC propped up so hard fails. I haven't paid attention to pro MTG so I have no idea.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

Banning Jeremy is one thing. He had a YouTube channel and went to the large Magic events but Travis was a pretty top level pro player, and beloved by many fans. The dude built great meta buster decks and seemed like an interesting guy. His banning was even more ridiculous than Jeremy's. I mean come on, a fucking Facebook group? Regardless, I hope the guy is doing well now that he is out of that insane environment.

@Ebonic Tutor is right about the troons. I hope that one ginger Britbong troon WoTC propped up so hard fails. I haven't paid attention to pro MTG so I have no idea.

A Facebook group he barely paid any attention to.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I haven't paid attention to pro MTG so I have no idea.

Autumn is still in the MPL and usually does well, I don't think they are a good deck builder but they seem to be good at picking one that will do well in the meta.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Everyone going whole hog on cancel culture right now. I bet they had this shit planned for a year and wanted to make a big deal out of it for pride month.

this pride month, wizards celebrates the real meaning of diversity by firing a lesbian because some fat balding man with tube tits in a dress didn't like them

 

[cuddle striker]

I missed this thread somehow. how?

Back in I think 1995, there was Menendian. This crazy old fuck got so autismic after years of trying to draw his entire deck, that he wrote an full length book about card advantage (the book, Gush, came out in 2001). He was really kind of an awful guy- one of those shit weasels that like to argue about anything, then hush people while they think. He freaked out on some kids at a tournament I was at, I mean as an adult who doesn't give a shit it didn't seem like much to me but there was a little blowback at the time, I remember him arguing with security at one point. Seems so long ago.

I started playing during alpha and outside of personal experiences, hearing about and seeing him in action was my first exposure to MTG salt/drama/cows.

Nielsen made the choice to be overly political just recently. She could have easily given a clear "sorry I'm a republican, but lesbian so wtf" statement, then laid low. They were continuing to buy her work regardless of anything that had been said. Up until recent events, it would have been enough. I think she was just done with the company in general though. Handing out free art to actual racists pushed it past that point though. Not supporting troon shit, being a republican, that's all stuff an artist can smooth over. But to give out value to places that are actively racist was the end of that. Nice art, but what idiot supports policies that are aimed against them? I'll never understand that. Hell, her marriage isn't real to those folks.

This newest thing- Orion Black leaving and claiming racism, etc. sounds like the typical shit treatment almost every freelancer and artist gets from WotC. I feel like I've read that story, with the race taken out, a hundred times over. The company treats contractors like shit in general. Race/gender not even relevant- they just treat all contractors like that. It's a bad pattern. I know race is the hot topic and of course they're trying to play woke, but they're not and until they just treat any contractors decently it doesn't even matter.

Rudy is a hoarder. Hilarious, but not really the investor he plays on YT. You should see that mess in person. He's lost as much as he's earned with the cardboard crack. The man came in with more money than he has now, if that tells you anything about the long term value of this stuff. Only his really old piles have any real value.

There's a tiff going on in the proxy-maker community right now too. One of the bigger producers of fakes is claiming another walked off with inventory and opened their own shop with stolen (fake) cards, using the pandemic as cover. I'll try to dig up some links and posts. There's some drama with proxies being used by a winner at a 93/94 tournament too. I'll have to look for that link, the whole asshole reserved-list-beer-hipster community was up in arms over it.

I'm pissed about Bradley, love the art. Better than Nielsen. But looking at his posts and art (using himself and coworkers as models) it's pretty obvious in retrospect that he has some boundary issues. I hadn't even heard of that until reading through this thread. I'll have to go check out all the crying in all the usual places where troon fans of him gather.

I just remembered watching Garfield (the creator of the game) play against Finkel. Must have been 99 or 00. They were marketing a pair of decks. Garfield got hosed, I think the second game all he drew was land. He was stoic as hell, even with the announcers mocking him. Finkel too. They piled it on. He lost two in a row.
I remember he had a single red/green land, the rest were basics. You'd think he'd know blue was the only color until about 2005.

I play legacy or kitchen table jank casual. my DCI number is officially retired, fuck em. I've got the old cards-they're the fun ones anyway.

 

[Flexo]

Handing out free art to actual racists pushed it past that point though. Not supporting troon shit, being a republican, that's all stuff an artist can smooth over. But to give out value to places that are actively racist was the end of that. Nice art, but what idiot supports policies that are aimed against them? I'll never understand that. Hell, her marriage isn't real to those folks.

What? That aspect of her tale I had not heard.

 

[cuddle striker]

What? That aspect of her tale I had not heard.

here's one of several. there's a proud-boy leader in a discord I use that she sent an original to, as well. this is the publicly known instance.

https://twitter.com/Mark_Confidant/status/1271262293972549632?s=19

being good at art doesn't mean you're not dead stupid, all this q shit has sucked in every mouth breather that leans right.

I think the company said her last commissioned art for them is in the next set coming out.

 

[Flexo]

here's one of several. there's a proud-boy leader in a discord I use that she sent an original to, as well. this is the publicly known instance.

https://twitter.com/Mark_Confidant/status/1271262293972549632?s=19

being good at art doesn't mean you're not dead stupid, all this q shit has sucked in every mouth breather that leans right.

I think the company said her last commissioned art for them is in the next set coming out.

So now we've gone from "racist" to just "q-anon" eh?

Ah I see, you're one of those types who just insists anything to the right of Stalin is whatever "-ist". lol ok boomer. Looks like being cranky doesn't mean you're not dead stupid either.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

here's one of several. there's a proud-boy leader in a discord I use that she sent an original to, as well. this is the publicly known instance.

https://twitter.com/Mark_Confidant/status/1271262293972549632?s=19

being good at art doesn't mean you're not dead stupid, all this q shit has sucked in every mouth breather that leans right.

I think the company said her last commissioned art for them is in the next set coming out.

I would say that being good at art makes it more likely that you're dead stupid, given my anecdotal interactions with artists at large. I think this is a bit of a split:

From a post-2013 business perspective, Nielson doing this is fucking stupid. Of course some fat poly ADHD winner of a programmer is going to find anything possible to get you fired in the modern moment if you even incidentally mention you believe there's a difference between XX and XY. Donating to persona-non-gratas is a good way to ensure that you lose business connections, ties, and income for essentially no net gain whatsoever, meaning any choice to do so in such a public and overt manner - it's clear these guys didn't order the prints, but were just given them - is career self-harm.

However, from a "does this matter?" perspective in a broader sense, I don't fucking care if she's a dipshit who thinks that Obama is secret hitler trying to kill all the white people and trump's chosen people are trying to take over the world any more than I would care if she thought that Trump was secret hitler trying to kill all the brown people and israel is trying to take over the world and thus the pogroms were actually not so bad. She makes pretty looking art. The average person that plays this game plays it because it's fun, not because it's some core component of their identity in which every element must perfectly match it. Maybe that's changing as more consumerist, unaccomplished losers with trustie cash drift into the hobby; I don't know.

Do you know Chippy's politics? John Stanko's? Kekai Kotaki? Wayne Renolds? Bear in mind here, I'm still saying businesses-wise, she was stupid -- other magic artists are probably all much smarter by not propping this shit up. But if you leafed through the names of artists in a given deck, do you know fuckall about any of them, at all? For probably 99% of people that play the game, paper or digital, it's just an image on some paper. For .5%, she's a witch that must be purged -- for the last .5%, she's a martyr that must be saved.

It's functionally just such an exceptional, pointless cycle that perfectly describes how something cool - neat art - gets thrown onto the bonfire because something inconsequential - bored autists with political grudges - get involved. I don't know of mtg artists getting pressured for saying "yeah fuck all capitalism, we need to kill the rich and the world will be a better place - mao was a hero" or shit like that, but I'd be just as fucking annoyed and peeved if -that- got one of them booted. Well, provided their art was good, and not just a step up from the foglios.
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on the tangentially related topic of rudy, he's shown that he runs (ran?) a restaurant, failed at opening a storefront, started getting into real estate, speculated poorly and had to take 15-20% losses on firesale products that were firesale for a reason, fucked up badly on preorders to the point where he had to eat losses to fulfill demand, so-on. He's fairly transparent about the fact that what he's doing isn't really something to emulate, or even something that's wholly stable or reliable. There's plenty of between-the-lines advice and statements that he tends to sneak in to his videos, which are utterly missed if one's perspective on him is wholly informed by reddit. He's clearly hauling ass for ridiculous hours each week to make less money than he could elsewhere, but it seems like he's got the energy for it and he enjoys it. I can see him not being peoples' cup of tea, but I don't understand why people don't just... not watch him.

Well, except people who whine about speculators until the end of days, as if magic should somehow be immune from the sorts of things that happen to literally every other hobby in existence. I can see why they'd hate him - Rudy appeals to exactly the kind of person playing a fun kitchen table deck who would point and laugh at someone bitching about the price and CAPITALIST INHUMANITY of double masters while they fork over 1k for 3 boxes of it.

 

[cuddle striker]

I would say that being good at art makes it more likely that you're dead stupid, given my anecdotal interactions with artists at large. I think this is a bit of a split:

From a post-2013 business perspective, Nielson doing this is fucking stupid. Of course some fat poly ADHD winner of a programmer is going to find anything possible to get you fired in the modern moment if you even incidentally mention you believe there's a difference between XX and XY. Donating to persona-non-gratas is a good way to ensure that you lose business connections, ties, and income for essentially no net gain whatsoever, meaning any choice to do so in such a public and overt manner - it's clear these guys didn't order the prints, but were just given them - is career self-harm.

However, from a "does this matter?" perspective in a broader sense, I don't fucking care if she's a dipshit who thinks that Obama is secret hitler trying to kill all the white people and trump's chosen people are trying to take over the world any more than I would care if she thought that Trump was secret hitler trying to kill all the brown people and israel is trying to take over the world and thus the pogroms were actually not so bad. She makes pretty looking art. The average person that plays this game plays it because it's fun, not because it's some core component of their identity in which every element must perfectly match it. Maybe that's changing as more consumerist, unaccomplished losers with trustie cash drift into the hobby; I don't know.

Do you know Chippy's politics? John Stanko's? Kekai Kotaki? Wayne Renolds? Bear in mind here, I'm still saying businesses-wise, she was stupid -- other magic artists are probably all much smarter by not propping this shit up. But if you leafed through the names of artists in a given deck, do you know fuckall about any of them, at all? For probably 99% of people that play the game, paper or digital, it's just an image on some paper. For .5%, she's a witch that must be purged -- for the last .5%, she's a martyr that must be saved.

It's functionally just such an exceptional, pointless cycle that perfectly describes how something cool - neat art - gets thrown onto the bonfire because something inconsequential - bored autists with political grudges - get involved. I don't know of mtg artists getting pressured for saying "yeah fuck all capitalism, we need to kill the rich and the world will be a better place - mao was a hero" or shit like that, but I'd be just as fucking annoyed and peeved if -that- got one of them booted. Well, provided their art was good, and not just a step up from the foglios.
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on the tangentially related topic of rudy, he's shown that he runs (ran?) a restaurant, failed at opening a storefront, started getting into real estate, speculated poorly and had to take 15-20% losses on firesale products that were firesale for a reason, fucked up badly on preorders to the point where he had to eat losses to fulfill demand, so-on. He's fairly transparent about the fact that what he's doing isn't really something to emulate, or even something that's wholly stable or reliable. There's plenty of between-the-lines advice and statements that he tends to sneak in to his videos, which are utterly missed if one's perspective on him is wholly informed by reddit. He's clearly hauling ass for ridiculous hours each week to make less money than he could elsewhere, but it seems like he's got the energy for it and he enjoys it. I can see him not being peoples' cup of tea, but I don't understand why people don't just... not watch him.

Well, except people who whine about speculators until the end of days, as if magic should somehow be immune from the sorts of things that happen to literally every other hobby in existence. I can see why they'd hate him - Rudy appeals to exactly the kind of person playing a fun kitchen table deck who would point and laugh at someone bitching about the price and CAPITALIST INHUMANITY of double masters while they fork over 1k for 3 boxes of it.

nailed it. in the grand scheme of things, her art isn't the greatest ever, it's good but they can do without. corporations hiring artists care about money and a card game? they want everybody's money. can't have too much controversy.
(see: "decidedly male")

it's just stupid for her to have done it.
you can easily hand-wave "I'm a republican even though I'm gay" but these days, purposely propping and getting yourself wrapped to with alt-right/racist/q conspiracy freaks is going to end a few opportunities. it's just stupidity.

and yes, those people are both q weirdos AND racists, dig in to their posts if you're bored and can understand dogwhistles. or don't.

fuck I miss the foglios. that was some good shit. even a feminist can enjoy good shit with bad back stories, believe it or not. there's a real weirdness to their art that I just don't see at all in anyone else's stuff in the game.

Rudy is a grown man losing money on a card game because he enjoys doing that as a hobby.
It's fun to see him play "investor", and watch people jump to grab whatever he's pushing at the moment.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

it's just stupid for her to have done it.

fuck I miss the foglios. that was some good shit. even a feminist can enjoy good shit with bad back stories, believe it or not. there's a real weirdness to their art that I just don't see at all in anyone else's stuff in the game.

Rudy is a grown man losing money on a card game because he enjoys doing that as a hobby.
It's fun to see him play "investor", and watch people jump to grab whatever he's pushing at the moment.

Don't get me wrong; I'd rather that people on the whole not care about the dumb shit an artist thinks in the 30 minutes a day they're not making pretty things. I'm quite fond of her work, particularly Sydri/Hannah, because of how intricate and decidedly fantastic it looks. I don't doubt that you could leaf through all the artists in a given deck and find a number who think the earth is flat and JFK was killed by lizard people (and turned into a black man), and I'm frustrated that we live in a world where people will a-log people for the purposes of drawing attention to their dumbassery.

But the world doesn't separate art from artist, and nothing compelled her to stick her head in the guillotine. Her simps are wasting their time fighting a stupid, losing battle rather than going after what they really aught to be - the shit-tastic homogeneity of way too much of this game's art. It's dumb that people went after her; it's dumb that she put a target on herself; but one of those things is unforgivable from a business perspective. WOTC's got no duty at all to cover her ass (or that Niel guy, whose art was also neat), and the tards sperging about it bang on about "real world" this and "purists" that while ignoring the basic function of a business making a luxury children's card game for autists with arrested development, like me
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I really despise the Foglio's art on a spiritual level, but I'll gladly take a set filled to the brim with gradient backgrounds over most of the shit that gets pushed anymore. I'm really glad that Seb has caught on like he has, because -that- is what I want out of this game's art. Whatever suit suggested that homogenous pseudorealism was the way to go needs to go count his beans somewhere else. I got into the game around Scars, and the art in that set just had this otherworldly, distinct style I'd never seen anywhere else. Now it's just, like, a handful of cards per set, maybe. Planeswalkers especially just look so fucking boring (in addition to being a massive negative for the game overall).
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I usually throw Rudy on in the background because I like his chutzpah. I've noticed, though, that it seems like he gives advice his audience just ignores... and then they whine to him about it. He suggests only ever picking up sealed product, waiting upwards of 10 years to make even a nominal return on it, and leaning much more heavily towards buying reserved-list/old-ass cards that aren't likely to see reprints. He also emphasizes that anyone who expects to get rich from doing this shit is slow in the head, and has a few vids up giving out some pretty basic advice about investing in stocks, bonds, funds, etc. He's consistently said that opening up a card shop is a great way to lose your life's savings and is way more involved than your average grog thinks, and he's had a few videos up to basically point and laugh at morons that speculated on cards like Ugin or Oracle of Mul Daya who shit themselves the instant their """""""investment""""""" tanked 50% and how they 100% deserved it.

I don't doubt that the man has cultivated a base of idiots who're slobbering to buy up whatever product he happens to say is interesting or worth watching. He did that with a RL card, I think, and made a killing off of the false hype that he generated - and then made a video basically croning about it. I respect that kind of shrewdness, as any way to separate a fool from their money's a good way. Which is why I also like Double Masters and the fucking... what, the VIP packs? The butthurt they unleashed is hilarious.

late edit: I've never looked at the mtgfinance subreddit before. Holy fucking christ, what a load of mouthbreathers

 

[Flexo]

and can understand dogwhistles

translation: "I am full of shit"

But the world doesn't separate art from artist, and nothing compelled her to stick her head in the guillotine. Her simps are wasting their time fighting a stupid, losing battle rather than going after what they really aught to be - the shit-tastic homogeneity of way too much of this game's art. It's dumb that people went after her; it's dumb that she put a target on herself; but one of those things is unforgivable from a business perspective.

#BringBackRebecca

 

[Memento Malum]

I like Seb McKinnon's art, but the way reddit fall over each other to suck his dick I'm pretty sure he's going to be outed a sexpest soon. I hope he isn't because the Rebecca Guays, Seb McKinnons, and Terese Nielsons are too few, and the Jason Kangs, Magali Villeneuves, and Cristi Balanescus are too many.

I don't pick on the last 3 artists in particular; their art is fine, it just kinda bland. I remember Debt to the Deathless years later, because the art is fascinating. To contrast, look at Arcbound Ravager. The card broke standard in half, but the art is just kinda .... there. Or look at Terese Nielson's Eternal Witness. Now look at the replacement art. One of those is iconic, and the other is okay, I guess.

Point is, WOTC needs interesting artists, and driving away and firing those same interesting artists is going to hurt them more in the long run than another half-baked claim of "muh racism".

 

[FisterSister]

Autumn Burchett's fetlife profile (cant archive but i will attach an image) got found and the 'nudes' were posted on /tg/. People have begun making cards out of the photos, link to the album with all the photos from fetlife is here(archive). Nothing will come of this but it's fun horrifying to see this side of someone who will cancel others for liking a naughty tweet.

Spoiler: Big image warning and a selection of the imgur images.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Autumn Burchett's fetlife profile (cant archive but i will attach an image) got found and the 'nudes' were posted on /tg/. People have begun making cards out of the photos, link to the album with all the photos from fetlife is here(archive). Nothing will come of this but it's fun horrifying to see this side of someone who will cancel others for liking a naughty tweet.

Spoiler: Big image warning and a selection of the imgur images.

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It's a fetish. Every single time you look into their lives these trannies turn out to be sex perverts.

 

[Gaymead]

Popular mtg artist Noah Bradley came out as a sex predator and has now been dropped by WotC.

Statement Regarding Noah Bradley

As of today, Wizards is cutting ties with a former Magic artist in order to nurture a safe and fun environment for all.

magic.wizards.com

And his Wikipedia page got vandalized (See Examples 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5, which mention the sexual harassment issue in inappropriate places in the most hamfisted way imaginable) because everyone is too stupid and mad to contain their inner sperg and smear shit all over a wikipedia page as a form of activism; truly this is how people show their concern for WOTC employees.


These aren't my screencaps, you can find them here (1,2); Also, here is the edit history page, in case you might want to find more of these "quality edits" yourself.

Also, artist RJ Palmer gave his opinion on the situation, and then brought it up again two months later, because gotta milk this cow dry for indefinite clout I guess (here is also another attempt at milking clout, unrelated yes but still worthy to note). attached is the thread and the replies and seriously, everyone in them are a load of faggots indeed.

Now, this isn't me defending Bradley, what he did was truly scummy since he admitted to sexually harassing women, but all of this really isn't helping the situation and is just is adding more fuel to the dumpster fire that is Wizards of the Coast and their Magic the Gathering Community (entertaining as it is).