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I was going to write another mile long essay about Zombie Simpsons and Season 5, but I will just sum it up with the simple terms of how The Simpsons experimented too much, and eventually ruined itself with its indulgence. Sure, Season 6&7 are when the show was back to form for the most part, but Season 5 helped to show that some of the series' smarter and sniping aspects got Matt and staff to be too clever for their own good. How'd that quote go? "You are only as good as your last work?"

To further defend Season 4, everything worked in that season because The Simpsons, for all of its deconstruction and sniping at older conventions, it still had pathos; a sense of humanity despite the trash world that was, more intrinsic boundaries that it acknowledged it did not cross, like not thinking it was above conventions in other sitcoms that did work for a reason, and drew upon actual experiences than merely turning things upside down just for the sake of showing what could go wrong. There was, for lack of a better word, common sense, in Season 4, that made Springfield feel, well, real. A common sense that wasn't just a good awareness to avoid bad things, but a common sense that no matter how good you had, your personality and faults would help to screw up at times, and sometimes, life inevitably had something in store for you anyway.

I also think my quarantine time also helped me to pick up that even for the "sappy sitcoms" that aired prior, The Simpsons was not rioting at them (well maybe Growing Pains but I digress); they were rioting at the times and all of the 80's faults, and I think when that motivation began to wane, that was when Season 5 got to be where it got to be. Post Season 7, IMHO the whole "status quo" was the straw that broke the back. There's plenty I can see that got to infest The Simpsons: the fleeting writers, a refusal to acknowledge actual realism like the changing times, an apathy that did not recognize that the entirety of Springfield was a setting that was as alive as its citizens but a punch clock job, getting way too analytical and subversive when it didn't need to be, treating out of nowhere cynicism as a cureall for "not making The Simpsons happy crap" (near the end of Grampa Simpson VS Sexual Inadequacy's commentary, some of the cast got smug off their own farts, saying this), and much more, but the need to "adhere to the status quo" was what just kept the metaphoric deadly gas in the tank and got it to explode all over the town. There is a lot about older good sitcoms from the 1980s that I have noticed aged relatively well, and broke conventions that The Simpsons ironically didn't as a show in cross examination. It also helps that these series kept in actual character development.

Plus, is it just me, or is The Simpsons actually a display of Matt Groening trying to translate a newspaper funnies serial into a TV show? I think there's plenty lost in translation that doesn't work, now that I think about it.
 

Michael Jacks0n

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I was going to write another mile long essay about Zombie Simpsons and Season 5, but I will just sum it up with the simple terms of how The Simpsons experimented too much, and eventually ruined itself with its indulgence. Sure, Season 6&7 are when the show was back to form for the most part, but Season 5 helped to show that some of the series' smarter and sniping aspects got Matt and staff to be too clever for their own good. How'd that quote go? "You are only as good as your last work?"

To further defend Season 4, everything worked in that season because The Simpsons, for all of its deconstruction and sniping at older conventions, it still had pathos; a sense of humanity despite the trash world that was, more intrinsic boundaries that it acknowledged it did not cross, like not thinking it was above conventions in other sitcoms that did work for a reason, and drew upon actual experiences than merely turning things upside down just for the sake of showing what could go wrong. There was, for lack of a better word, common sense, in Season 4, that made Springfield feel, well, real. A common sense that wasn't just a good awareness to avoid bad things, but a common sense that no matter how good you had, your personality and faults would help to screw up at times, and sometimes, life inevitably had something in store for you anyway.

I also think my quarantine time also helped me to pick up that even for the "sappy sitcoms" that aired prior, The Simpsons was not rioting at them (well maybe Growing Pains but I digress); they were rioting at the times and all of the 80's faults, and I think when that motivation began to wane, that was when Season 5 got to be where it got to be. Post Season 7, IMHO the whole "status quo" was the straw that broke the back. There's plenty I can see that got to infest The Simpsons: the fleeting writers, a refusal to acknowledge actual realism like the changing times, an apathy that did not recognize that the entirety of Springfield was a setting that was as alive as its citizens but a punch clock job, getting way too analytical and subversive when it didn't need to be, treating out of nowhere cynicism as a cureall for "not making The Simpsons happy crap" (near the end of Grampa Simpson VS Sexual Inadequacy's commentary, some of the cast got smug off their own farts, saying this), and much more, but the need to "adhere to the status quo" was what just kept the metaphoric deadly gas in the tank and got it to explode all over the town. There is a lot about older good sitcoms from the 1980s that I have noticed aged relatively well, and broke conventions that The Simpsons ironically didn't as a show in cross examination. It also helps that these series kept in actual character development.

Plus, is it just me, or is The Simpsons actually a display of Matt Groening trying to translate a newspaper funnies serial into a TV show? I think there's plenty lost in translation that doesn't work, now that I think about it.
I mainly agree with you, although with some slight disagreements (see: slight). I shared this video previously, but here's some guy making a Lego sculpture of Homer Simpson's head while giving his opinion on how/when the show died, and I completely agree with it.


Essentially he says the first few seasons were crude and not very funny, but still groundbreaking for the time. Then he elaborates that the show picked up in Season 4 and entered its golden years until Season 8, when it ran into a hiccup and gradually devolved from good to bad. Post Season 8 episodes were okay at best, and anything beyond Season 12 is unwatchable. He even sorta reiterates what you've said by talking about 80's sitcoms compared to the Simpsons.

I can definitely point to either Season 8 or 9 of when the show went to shit or jumped the shark, if you will. In quarantine, I had the privilege of binging the entire series, and in my opinion most episodes made before Season 3 are bad but watchable, and everything beyond Seasons 12 or 13 are just retarded.

I found that video a few months ago on a Discord server where I used to post, and I realized the creator was some dude that Mumkey Jones gave a shotuout to last year in a video I remember seeing. Afterwards I looked him up on social media to see if he's a cow and found out apparently he was supposed to be a contestant on that cringey Lego Master Builders show on FOX, but he got rejected right before filming, so he's super salty about it and a pariah among Lego builders. It seems sorta autistic to be angry about getting rejected on a Lego TV show, but judging by his Simpsons opinions, he sounds based and not a spastic sperg like CWC. I mean, he has a job and doesn't live with his parents. He also doesn't have TDS or pronouns in his bio, so I'll give him that much.
 

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Kind of surprising this happened especially in 1991 seeing that the Simpsons was a more adult cartoon and was controversial to show to kids. Today the show is probably the most tame out of all the adult cartoons.
Well back in the day I don't think the idea of Adult cartoons like South Park or Adult Swim existed to mainstream audiences, people saw a cartoon and thought "oh its a cartoon the kids will love it". It also helps that all the adult humor in the show would fly over the heads of little kids watching. Something like Sneed might make a few of the adults chuckle at a pretty dirty joke if they got it but to little Strange Wilderness I was laughing at how crappy and run-down the farm was and the tractor spontaneously overturning on Homer because thats what my 10 year old brain thought was funny. In the first episode there's humor for adults (mocking formulaic Christmas specials and the stresses of the holiday) and humor adults and kids can enjoy like Homers lame shopping sequence at the dollar store, him stealing the Christmas tree under gunfire, and how his Christmas miracle at the dog track can't even cross the finish line before realizing that this pathetic loser dog is his kindred spirit.
 
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