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It's a tactic that's older than politics itself, but there's a reason that it's stuck around for thousands of years: It works. For the sake of brevity I'm going to keep this trimmed down to only the last year or two, because otherwise this thread would become an absolute nightmare of references dating all the way back to the Xia dynasty, and I'd rather it be a little more relative to the current discussion instead of harping on about anti-Mongolian propaganda from 1279 BCE.

Fear is one of the laziest, crudest, and lowest methods of persuasion known to man, so it doesn't take a tremendous amount of brain power to work out why it's found a comfortable, little home in politics. It's the perfect route for anyone trying to take advantage of you, and they'll never fail to veer a corner as hard as they can if you open up a pathway for them.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle and in any country have become exceedingly good at it too, and if you don't know what you're looking for then it's very likely that you've fallen for the trap a thousand times over and you've never even noticed it. The politics of fear are deep-rooted, insidious, and remarkably subtle at times. We've become a society driven on fear, because fear creates an instantaneous, knee-jerk reaction that people can exploit to get what they want out of you.

Think back to every political deal you were ever sold. We have to pass ObamaCare otherwise healthcare is doomed! We can't repeal ObamaCare, people would die! We have to make a deal with Iran or they'll get nuclear weapons! We can't vote for Trump, he'll start World War 3, crash the economy, kick out all the Mexicans, and put all the gays in concentration camps! We can't retaliate against Assad, that's the Deep State wanting to kick off another world war! Rosenstein is a Deep State plant! Sessions has been corrupted and he needs to go now!

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It's not remotely a tactic that's exclusive to the Democratic party, either. Laura Ingraham just posted that to Twitter a few hours ago (And she's since deleted it since she has no spine), but look at how subtle that is, look at the emotion she's trying to evoke. Fear. It's vital for fear to be centered around the unknown, around making you think that the worst-case-scenario is about to unfold, and how does she get you to think the worst-case-scenario is about to happen? She intentionally never explains this to you.

She doesn't identify the bill, doesn't specify which GOP members are involved so that their constituents can contact them, she doesn't cite any sources, and she doesn't even tell you that the GOP already has a 42-seat majority in the House, so whatever this "petition" happens to be, it has a snowball's chance in Hell because discharge petitions require an absolute majority to pass. Cernovich has done this too, so has Posobiec, Paul Joseph Watson, Coulter, Hannity, Tucker and even VachelLindsay, who's a Twitter user that I otherwise hold in fairly high-regard. This is not a problem or tactic exclusive to the Democrats, they just use it more frequently and more overtly than Republicans tend to, but both sides do this.

And then we elected Donald Trump.

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@BlastDoors41 had asked me about Trump's psychology in another thread a day or so ago, and it's left a lot of questions rolling around in my head ever since. This isn't exactly on the same train of thought, but I think that it's an incredibly important distinction between Trump and every other politician we've seen for a very long time, now. Trump does not use fear on the audience. He'll issue warnings, he'll assign blame, but he won't say, "Build this wall or people will die." He'll say, "___ is happening, and here's how we can fix it."

When his opponent moves to scare the audience, Trump moves to simultaneously reassure the audience that there is nothing to fear, and then makes certain that his opponent is afraid of him. He does not make the audience fear his opponent, he makes the opponent fear him. I have (almost) never seen a politician or even a political pundit offer a counter to fear-based persuasion before Donald Trump came into office, and I've certainly never seen a politician do it this consistently.

An individual that is educated and assured on the specifics of a topic to the point where they know they are not under any threat is entirely impervious to fear-based persuasion. Fear has long been the biggest weapon in the politicians' and media's pocket; they've been using it for a long time, and they're using it right now. However, we've been presented with an alternative strategy now, and with the advent of the information age and the internet especially, we've been given the largest opportunity to inoculate ourselves against fear, and it's so easy to do that it's almost laughable.

All you need to do is dismiss the opinions of the doomsayers, because they're not interested in your well-being and they're not interested in educating you, because then you'd no longer be useful to them. They only want you to be afraid so that they can manipulate you. If you take that away from them, then you've already torn their largest weapon right out of their hands.
 
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Trump dick riders (fgt) are the worst thing outta of his reign. He's been ok so far tbh actively doing almost nothing but pissing ppl off and making articles like these.
 

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Trump's entire campaign was exploiting xenophobia in the working class whites who think migrant workers, who don't make enough in slave wages to even pay taxes, are at fault for automation and neoliberal economies of scale making their jobs obsolete.
Even all the way back in 2015 he was proposing the "Problem -> Solution" method in a perfectly rational way to explain a legitimate, ongoing problem in a way that makes it clear, but does not needlessly instill a blind fear into the audience, and he even made distinctions between legal and illegal immigrants very early on in his campaign. Outlining very specific, very real problems with the current state of affairs and proposing specific solutions has no more to do with "exploiting xenophobia" than a mechanic would be were he to tell me that my vehicle is currently broken and on fire, when it is in fact very obviously currently broken and on fire.
 

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Trump dick riders (fgt) are the worst thing outta of his reign. He's been ok so far tbh actively doing almost nothing but pissing ppl off and making articles like these.
Trump has been appointing originalists to lifetime positions in the federal judiciary at a breakneck pace. The real results of Trump's presidency will be seen 20+ years from now when, even if Democrats blow out every election from now on, we're still living in a constitutional republic and not a socialist hellhole.
 

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This is interesting. Politicians use a lot of emotional appeal in their rhetoric. I'd never really noticed that Trump doesn't use that same tactic though, but it makes sense since he's, well, not really an experienced politician.
Well, what's an experienced politician expected to do? A good politician should be able to broker deals between two or more parties, negotiate agreements and bring conflicts to a resolution, be familiar with the management and economic welfare of a large number of people, be comfortable dealing with and speaking to large numbers of people, and be comfortable dealing with an intrusive and often-times unfair press, and look after the well being of their employees/constituents.

How are any of these things topics that he hasn't already had an enormous amount of experience with? I used to think of the notion of a businessman-politician blatantly absurd and borderline repulsive, but I'm not as sure about that as I used to be. Apparently a businessman (Who isn't Mitt Romney) can make a much better politician than we'd really considered, and it's been fascinating to draw all of the parallels between the two professions because I'd never given them any thought before, and I'm really not sure why.
 

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"Will a day come when the race will detect the funniness of these juvenilities and laugh at them--and by laughing at them destroy them? For your race, in its poverty, has unquestionably one really effective weapon--laughter. Power, money, persuasion, supplication, persecution--these can lift at a colossal humbug--push it a little--weaken it a little, century by century; but only laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand. You are always fussing and fighting with your other weapons. Do you ever use that one? No; you leave it lying rusting. As a race, do you ever use it at all? No; you lack sense and the courage."
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Trump's warnings and whatnot are the use of fear. He hasn't so far outright said "people will die" as far as I know but it's obviously implied that criminals coming into a country leads to that and literally bringing people on stage who have experienced violent murders in their family due to illegal immigration kinda plays into that idea.

I really don't see any problem with using argumentative tactics. You have to convince people and every good argument needs some kind of emotional aspect. The term "fallacy" is thrown around too much. It's completely justified to not want something because you fear it (because you think its bad) and slippery slopes do exist.
 

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The best remedy to fearmongers and "doomsayers" as you put it is to fact-check, not outright dismiss them. It's much easier to dismiss their claims and while most of what they say is bullshit, understanding their flawed arguments and rhetoric is also important as well.

One of Session's reasons for ending DACA was because the "hundreds and thousands of illegal aliens" were participating in social security programs, which simply isn't true. Take a recipient to apply for SNAP, CHIP or Medicaid and see what happens.

Even though both the right and the left make fear-mongering claims, it's still important to see why they are wrong.
 
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Well, what's an experienced politician expected to do? A good politician should be able to broker deals between two or more parties, negotiate agreements and bring conflicts to a resolution, be familiar with the management and economic welfare of a large number of people, be comfortable dealing with and speaking to large numbers of people, and be comfortable dealing with an intrusive and often-times unfair press, and look after the well being of their employees/constituents.

How are any of these things topics that he hasn't already had an enormous amount of experience with? I used to think of the notion of a businessman-politician blatantly absurd and borderline repulsive, but I'm not as sure about that as I used to be. Apparently a businessman (Who isn't Mitt Romney) can make a much better politician than we'd really considered, and it's been fascinating to draw all of the parallels between the two professions because I'd never given them any thought before, and I'm really not sure why.


I've been mulling over the implications of what you've been posting here and elsewhere. Sure enough, some of this is Trump but I'm also interested in who his real inner circle is and who he is actually colluding with. I don't believe this is the single concentrated efforts of one man. I strongly suspect that the upper echelons of the military compose a significant part of his retinue that is advising him. Why the military? If only because I don't see how the interests of the military align with any alphabet agency or their political sponsors.

I'm open to being proven wrong though.
Unless of course what we are looking at is a human being who is relatively competent at getting what he wants and gives flying shit about his reputation. Which is very different from the run of the mill politician in that our elected officials seem to not have any real discernible policy positions they are willing to stake their reputations on. Observing both democrats and republicans one gets the feeling that these people are more interested in preserving status quo because status quo is how you get elected in your districts.

Maybe, Adam Curtis was right. Everyone got so used to politicians that don't come up with anything new in order to maintain the charade of being in control of an increasingly complex reality that when someone like Trump comes along we're all like, WHAT VOODOO IS THIS?!

Republican reticence to engage with Democrats on the national scale can be explained in this fashion. It was easier for them to retreat into their local enclaves in order to enjoy power therein. But Trump and his constituents decided that wasn't an acceptable strategy: to leave an ever increasingly large and intrusive federal government in the hands of a group of people who think they've gotten a blank check to alter everyone's realities and lives as they see fit.
 

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I've been mulling over the implications of what you've been posting here and elsewhere. Sure enough, some of this is Trump but I'm also interested in who his real inner circle is and who he is actually colluding with. I don't believe this is the single concentrated efforts of one man. I strongly suspect that the upper echelons of the military compose a significant part of his retinue that is advising him. Why the military? If only because I don't see how the interests of the military align with any alphabet agency or their political sponsors.

I'm open to being proven wrong though.
Unless of course what we are looking at is a human being who is relatively competent at getting what he wants and gives flying shit about his reputation. Which is very different from the run of the mill politician in that our elected officials seem to not have any real discernible policy positions they are willing to stake their reputations on. Observing both democrats and republicans one gets the feeling that these people are more interested in preserving status quo because status quo is how you get elected in your districts.

Maybe, Adam Curtis was right. Everyone got so used to politicians that don't come up with anything new in order to maintain the charade of being in control of an increasingly complex reality that when someone like Trump comes along we're all like, WHAT VOODOO IS THIS?!

Republican reticence to engage with Democrats on the national scale can be explained in this fashion. It was easier for them to retreat into their local enclaves in order to enjoy power therein. But Trump and his constituents decided that wasn't an acceptable strategy: to leave an ever increasingly large and intrusive federal government in the hands of a group of people who think they've gotten a blank check to alter everyone's realities and lives as they see fit.
Oh it absolutely is not a one-man effort, even he's said that before. Your suspicion up there smacked the nail right on the head. It's no accident at all that he's surrounded himself with the likes of people like Mattis, Bolton, Flynn and the man no one knows. It's also no accident that even while Trump was transitioning into the Presidency, he still retained almost his entire, private security force in addition to the Secret Service, and to date it is still difficult to figure out who's even on that team.

I had pictures of a whole slew of them at one point, but I lost all but one of them and it's irritating because those same pictures are extraordinarily difficult to come by, now. The fascinating part is that a lot of the security members on his team are actually women, and if you weren't implicitly looking for them they'd be difficult to spot in a crowd, because everyone's expecting to see big, scary-looking motherfuckers, so nobody's on the look-out for the rail-thin women packing an alarming amount of firepower underneath their jacket.

The long-and-short of it is that -- as much as people absolutely refuse to believe it -- Trump is an incredibly experienced tactician when it comes to the social engineering battlefield, but he is nowhere close to being the only tactician on his team. One of his greatest strengths apart from being a delegator is that he has decades of experience when it comes to being a flak-taker to the extent that he revels in it, and even dresses and acts the part. He wears the biggest suits that he can find that look large even on his frame, he dyes his face orange, he does up his hair in a ridiculous-looking shelf, he swings his arms and hands around and talks as loudly and distinctly as he can, and absolutely hogs the spotlight while everyone else does what they need to do with the cover he's providing them.

As ridiculous as the comparison might sound, the best analogy for it I've ever heard so far is that, "Trump's not the party, he's just the main tank." If you start looking at his administration as more of a cohesive effort where most of what Trump's doing is just keeping people staring at him while everyone else he's delegated responsibility to does their jobs unhindered, it starts making a whole lot more sense.
 

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Nanci Pelosi sent out an email just the other day to Democratic voters on her mailing list, and this is exactly the kind of thing that I'm talking about. It's right there in the very first line. Look at what she wants to immediately instill in the reader: Fear. Fear through concern, more specifically. "I'm on your side, I'm right here with you, but you need to be afraid! You need to be fearful! Also I need $50."

"Paul Ryan's House is about to slash Medicare by $800 million to fund tax breaks to his donors!" His donors? You mean the fucking American population? You know what she's not telling her audience, though? She's not telling her audience that Medicare is one giant, bloated mess of misappropriated funds. An $800 million slash looks pretty scary on paper, but how about that report from just three years ago that showed that Medicare was wasting up to $60 billion due to fraud and waste? Does $800 million look so scary, now? Also, Paul Ryan is retiring, so... Who the fuck cares?

"I refuse to let Republican donors steal our chance to win the House and stop Trump's despicable agenda." Woman they aren't stealing it, you're giving it away with this special blend of crazy that the DNC's been running on full-blast since the 2016 election. The Republicans could put a moldy sock on stage and that fucking sock would still beat out more than half of your candidates.

"I know we can turn this around, but it'll take a ridiculously big surge of grassroots support." Give me money if you want to feel safe, again. I can totally solve all of your problems right now and make that big, mean President go away forever but I need as much money as you can send me, right now. This is almost as bad as that "URGENT BUSINESS, FINAL NOTICE" bullshit that they sent out which turned out to be nothing more than a flyer for the DNC asking for more money.

All of this is just pan-handling through fear-mongering. The DNC is fucking disgusting.

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Edit: Also, Paul Ryan's net worth is about $6,000,000. Nancy Pelosi's net worth is about $100,000,000. We should have that discussion sometime, because I am intensely curious as to how someone who has spent their entire career since the 1980s pulling down a government pension managed to amass more than a hundred million dollars in wealth.
 
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I remember conservative pundits like Ben Shapiro freaking out about how unpopular Trump was and how it was effecting the turn out of voters for the mid terms ( something I think he was doing on purpose to get out the vote). And then people completely misreading the circumstances surrounding the recent special election in Alabama (hint: don't run pedos!!).

With how the DNC has continued to conduct itself after the election I figured the American electorate had to be damnably stupid to let them back in the driver's seat.
Glad to see that might not be the case.
 

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I remember conservative pundits like Ben Shapiro freaking out about how unpopular Trump was and how it was effecting the turn out of voters for the mid terms ( something I think he was doing on purpose to get out the vote). And then people completely misreading the circumstances surrounding the recent special election in Alabama (hint: don't run pedos!!).

With how the DNC has continued to conduct itself after the election I figured the American electorate had to be damnably stupid to let them back in the driver's seat.
Glad to see that might not be the case.
I read that none of the people who accused Moore of pedophilia dropped the charges after the election. I can't find anything on it (even the source where I heard about the charges being dropped) - it'd definitely be interesting if it was another case. To be fair, to get a Democrat voted to office in Alabama your Republican candidate must be pretty bad (I only heard about it because of a post somewhere about the tv guy comparing Moore to Jesus and Mary concerning ages).
 

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The best remedy to fearmongers and "doomsayers" as you put it is to fact-check, not outright dismiss them. It's much easier to dismiss their claims and while most of what they say is bullshit, understanding their flawed arguments and rhetoric is also important as well.

One of Session's reasons for ending DACA was because the "hundreds and thousands of illegal aliens" were participating in social security programs, which simply isn't true. Take a recipient to apply for SNAP, CHIP or Medicaid and see what happens.

Even though both the right and the left make fear-mongering claims, it's still important to see why they are wrong.

Of course, some people also fear monger about issues worth feeling fear over.

Conspiracy, social degeneration, war, disease, nukes, environmental catastrophe.. all real issues.
 
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