Off-Topic The real stress the farms cause Phil - reality is a bitch and stupid does hurt

[Bassomatic]

I started to think, as Phil likes to paint us as the gamer gate dude bro cis het 1% or what ever word salad he uses to insult us. He spends an awful lot of time here, as much as Phil doesn't like to admit we aren't out to get him, last thing we want is the milk to stop the second thing he doesn't want to admit we are a diverse group.

But Phil lurking here, he's gotta see the truth. We are a bunch of random people on the internet watching discussing, debating and laughing at a crazy person. How far gone is Phil? When he reads some of our posts does it ever sink in, we are right? We make good points.

Sure we have some fun, and joke around. But a lot of the time is spent discussing Phil's future because how bad he keeps F'ing his life up. With his review upcoming and his antics spiraling out of control even for him. I started to wonder, it's clear a lot of his acting out is for attention but, does anything click to scare him from here?

In regards to his review, we know his biggest fear is a group home then loss of control of his tard bucks. Phil's walking a close line to getting arrested for stalking and his "OD" medical hold don't bode well. Most everyone here has agreed. Is there enough light up top for Phil to see, when we say things like payee, it's not a-logging but deep down he knows it's a very real possibility?

In short, what if any effect does the farms have on him vs what he claims they do? Are we more a negative influence since we bring reality into his life and it hurts him or do we scare him into behaving a bit more?

For me personally I think there's not much going on upstairs, but I think a lot of his recent acting out is mostly of shame.

 

[Dr. Tremolo]

He's autistically paranoid. There's no rationality in him seeing Kiwi Farms everywhere.
Even though it sounds weeny I'd like him to actually meet someone in real life who would say out loud that they associate with Kiwi Farms - his reaction would be hilarious even if it fueled his paranoia further because for all his harping about Kiwi conspiracies, fact is that he's never actually encountered Kiwi death squadrons or anything like that in real life because they like, don't exist.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Phil doesn't like to admit we aren't out to get him, last thing we want is the milk to stop the second thing he doesn't want to admit we are a diverse group.

Phil's invented reality is far more important to him than anything that can be proven objectively. We could show him photos of our nonwhite and gender-nonconforming kiwis all day. Phil chooses to believe we're a living, breathing Mountain Dew ad, and therefore that's what we are (to him). Facts will never enter into it. Phil is literally the first-grader who believes his teacher hates him and uses homework to make him miserable.

But Phil lurking here, he's gotta see the truth. We are a bunch of random people on the internet watching discussing, debating and laughing at a crazy person. How far gone is Phil? When he reads some of our posts does it ever sink in, we are right? We make good points.

Don't forget: Phil is stupid. We have some primary sources telling us that he reads our words, but can't really comprehend them other than to gleam that we don't think positively of him. I think that's a big part of the reason we can't help him even if we wanted to: Phil doesn't really understand how his problems are largely of his own making, and doesn't even understand us when we try to explain it to him.

does anything click to scare him from here?

It's my personal theory that a lot of Phil's absences and quiet periods are the result of us exceeding the HurtFul Truth Level, and zinging him a little too close to home, yet as I said before, he's too stupid to really understand the implications of this. The most enlightened response Phil is capable of is bouncing and squeaking at his phone, turning it off, then bouncing and squeaking on his own for a few days. I imagine he's just doubling down on his delusion that we're responsible for all his problems. There's zero introspection going on.

In short, what if any effect does the farms have on him vs what he claims they do? Are we more a negative influence since we bring reality into his life and it hurts him or do we scare him into behaving a bit more?

TL, DR- Phil needs an enemy in his life. If it wasn't us, it'd be the cops, or his neighbor, or his case worker, or anyone else. I'm of the opinion that being exposed to the truth, even if its by someone he doesn't like, is probably better than not being exposed to it at all. However, it's unlikely to make a difference either way.

 

[OtterParty]

He doesn't care what we say lol he's just here for the attention but let's keep feeding him and pretend we're winning

 

[Handsome Pete]

We are a bunch of random people on the internet watching discussing, debating and laughing at a crazy person.

Or maybe that's just what we want him to think!

In all seriousness, Phil long ago fell into conspiracy-theory thinking: a lack of evidence just counts as more evidence. If we seem like normal, boring people instead of militarized transphobic bigots, it's only because the coverup is effective enough to fool everyone except Phil. Only he sees the truth behind the façade, and any evidence to the contrary has been faked to discredit (or, ahem, "gaslight") him.

It's not just this forum, of course. He sees the whole world like that. We just have more memes.

 

[Guy Smiley]

But Phil lurking here, he's gotta see the truth. We are a bunch of random people on the internet watching discussing, debating and laughing at a crazy person.

I've been thinking a lot about this with Vodrak and the whole "Top Victim" thing with Chris-Chan. Actively trolling Chris is heavily discouraged. I assume the same is true for Phil. Honestly, I don't think I'd be willing to be involved if we were actively trying to make his life worse, and we really don't need to. We're just talking about him.

For me, personally, I come here because I've become aware of a couple of really interesting characters, (most notably Chris and Phil,) and I really just want to know how their stories end. I don't want to be involved, I just want to know what happens next. It's kind of like watching an internet soap opera.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Sure we have some fun, and joke around. But a lot of the time is spent discussing Phil's future because how bad he keeps F'ing his life up. With his review upcoming and his antics spiraling out of control even for him. I started to wonder, it's clear a lot of his acting out is for attention but, does anything click to scare him from here?

Just like CWC, Phil cannot think in three dimensions; Izzy's mind does not seem to project into the past and future to join thoughts and actions with the present. Both of these men do not think there are any real consequences to their actions (aside from criminality) unless you point it out, or the danger knocks on their door to ruin their lives. I think both of these parties believe that this is just a game that someday they will win, not understanding that trolls are the least of their problems. People like CWC and Phil do not realize they have created a really odd subculture that chronicles and mocks their stupidity; both men live in a world where things just happen to them because they're autistic, beautiful, and revolutionary female souls. If you live in a passive frame of mind all the time, there is no way in hell you can truly appreciate your current situation.

 

[tweaker the cat]

Basically everything that everyone just said. Phil can't think objectively because autism. And narcissism; everyone's out to get him because he's special.

 

[Roland MT-32]

I think there's an element of this people aren't really seeing. There are many people who mock Phil, some of them even forming organized groups. Phil surely knows about such people, but they aren't the conspiracy that's out to get him.
Phil would largely ignore us, if not for the fact that we have all of his greatest IRL enemies. Tweaker, Dusty, the Angelo interview, etc. Most of the individuals Phil truly despises have joined our ranks or cooperated with us. To him, we're not just an organization out to get him; we're an organization that's recruited all of his greatest enemies. An organization that has collected, documented, and archived his entire history of being a despicable person. We're an omnipresent collective of his greatest enemies equipped with his darkest secrets.

 

[An Ghost]

I've mentioned it in other threads but you can really tell a lot about a cow by what they see the farms as. Because we don't have a face, we become the scariest thing possible in their minds. Fear of being accused of Paedophilia? Boosh kiwi farms is all sick fucks. Bullied in middle school? We're cis man bros. worried you live an uninteresting life and live with your mother still? Just say null is a dull

 

[VortekPMD]

Kiwi hurts Phil because the last time he ate anything healthy Spongebob was actually funny.

 

[TiredConlanger]

In all seriousness, Phil long ago fell into conspiracy-theory thinking: a lack of evidence just counts as more evidence. If we seem like normal, boring people instead of militarized transphobic bigots, it's only because the coverup is effective enough to fool everyone except Phil. Only he sees the truth behind the façade, and any evidence to the contrary has been faked to discredit (or, ahem, "gaslight") him.

That sort of thinking also has a taint of grandiosity to it, be it with Phil or garden-variety conspiritard. The grandiosity being the idea that only the person sees past the bullshit and everyone else is too damn stupid, inattentive, etc. to have thought of that possibility and cannot observe anything properly unless they are on board with the retarded crap.

 

[Adamska]

The main pain Phil feels from the place is that he hates when info is easily ripped and placed on here and when his lies are fucked beyond repair. He likes the attention, but he hates the results.

 

[Ravenor]

does anything click to scare him from here?

Yes quite often, we are able to think in ways Phil can't and think of things that are not immediately relevant - just a example we where talking about the impending SSDI review back in January, to him the review was so far in the future it wasn't of consequence, so he buried his head in his sketch book and scribbled his next scratch, but the more we talked about it the more parranoid he became and in the last month or so he's got really fucking scared about it.

Phil oddly like OPL used us as his long term memory and almost as a sounding board about things he should be worried about, but because often we talked about realities he didn't want to consider or understand he created his own narrative wich leads me to...

Phil's invented reality is far more important to him than anything that can be proven objectively. We could show him photos of our nonwhite and gender-nonconforming kiwis all day. Phil chooses to believe we're a living, breathing Mountain Dew ad, and therefore that's what we are (to him). Facts will never enter into it. Phil is literally the first-grader who believes his teacher hates him and uses homework to make him miserable.

The thing is Phil created Autismland in part at least as a way to try and understand his place in the world, and to live out his fantasy life because he's utterly powerless to process something unless it directly relates to him he defines the narrative of the situation in a way he can understand through his current frame of reference using buzz words he's picked up and often getting it wrong.

And I like your analogy of him being a young child pissed at the teacher, it's far more apt than you realise.

I have in the past had conversations with Phil where he has referenced me by name and how he thinks I'm far to knowledgeable about him just to be some random english dude who's never met him and how I'm always able to work things out.

The thing is I often give him homework that really pisses him of, by saying something so many times in various way's he pay's attention to it and that really pisses him off.

Don't forget: Phil is stupid. We have some primary sources telling us that he reads our words, but can't really comprehend them other than to gleam that we don't think positively of him.

That's partly why my language is so florid at times, as I said above I piss Phil off no end and he really hates to admit it but he pay's attention to my posts because I'm normally dead on the money and if I use simple easy to understand english he'll process it far more quickly. I'd rather he need time to process what I'm saying and for the hamster wheel to slowly start turning in his brain and come to the conclusion he's just wasted several hours trying to process just how I have called him a idiot than it to be instant, it's a real source of constination to him that leads to a lot of bouncing and squeaking.

TL, DR- Phil needs an enemy in his life. If it wasn't us, it'd be the cops, or his neighbor, or his case worker, or anyone else. I'm of the opinion that being exposed to the truth, even if its by someone he doesn't like, is probably better than not being exposed to it at all. However, it's unlikely to make a difference either way.

That's spot on the money, Phil like a lot of cows can't really accept his current fuck up or long list of fuck ups is really there fault so they need someone to point the finger at to try and wriggle out of the situation, We break the hurtful truth level quite often but acknologing that is something he fights every step of the way.

I've been thinking a lot about this with Vodrak and the whole "Top Victim" thing with Chris-Chan. Actively trolling Chris is heavily discouraged. I assume the same is true for Phil. Honestly, I don't think I'd be willing to be involved if we were actively trying to make his life worse, and we really don't need to. We're just talking about him

To be honest while we are organised we don't really troll him, Myself @MMX and @Smutley are really only information gatherer's Phil troll's himself quite often because he's a idiot, where I do actively engage is planting the seed of a idea and it's often by happenstance I manage to do it and it's often for his own benefit or to stop him from getting himself into seriously deep shit that he just wont be able to recover from.

You see as much as I dislike Phil I don't wish him any outright ill will, in the past on the very few occasions I have had to intervean it's been more like "No Philip, the stove is hot don't touch" and saying that a few more times and in different way's will lead him to the conclusion that yes indeed the stove is hot and it's not a nice thing to touch. You see to get Phil to do anything you have to make him think it's his own original idea and that he's really smart to have been able to figure it out and he's not as easily lead as Chris but once you get him on that path getting him off it is nearly impossible, and when that idea is backed up no matter how loosely by media he just wont let go.

Also the main reason you don't troll Phil is what could you get out of it? With Chris you have the terror of offending Barb and getting him to stick something up his arse, Phil doesn't care who or how he offends some one it's something he enjoys doing, and he's not got any assets he can loose that you can dangle in front of him.

The best thing you can do is let him troll himself, he's been doing it for the last 31 years and it's about the only thing he's good at.

Or maybe that's just what we want him to think!

In all seriousness, Phil long ago fell into conspiracy-theory thinking: a lack of evidence just counts as more evidence. If we seem like normal, boring people instead of militarized transphobic bigots, it's only because the coverup is effective enough to fool everyone except Phil. Only he sees the truth behind the façade, and any evidence to the contrary has been faked to discredit (or, ahem, "gaslight") him.

It's not just this forum, of course. He sees the whole world like that. We just have more memes.

As I said before he can't accept his own failings so needs some one like us to point at an say "They are the reason i fail" the thing is like a lot of sped's he thinks he's far smarter than he really is, that's why he doesn't like ideas he's not able to grasp and has such a viceral reaction to them "If I can't understand it why should they".

 

[cans.wav]

Phil has a Munchausen effect with us, he knows we're gonna shit on every dumbass thing he does but loves the attention that comes with it.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

You see to get Phil to do anything you have to make him think it's his own original idea[...]

Reminds me of that cartoon cliche where someone asks a character "what if you did [such and such]?" The character then replies, "Nah, that'll never work... I know! What if I did [such and such]?"

 

[Ravenor]

Reminds me of that cartoon cliche where someone asks a character "what if you did [such and such]?" The character then replies, "Nah, that'll never work... I know! What if I did [such and such]?"

That's how it goes, but the delay is longer and not for comic effect.

I mean from the very beginning we talked about how he takes no steps to look femmine, then about 3 / 4 months ago he got make up that he now applies with a trowel just to prove us wrong however I have it on good authority he only only put's it on when he's planning on taking some selfies.