The rise of China - China will grow larger

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Is China a Superpower

  • Yes

    Votes: 60 49.2%
  • No

    Votes: 62 50.8%

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HonestJohn2376

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I'm still hoping that the rising levels of Christianity, Islam, and Capitalism in China will break the Communist's stronghold forever. And if China falls, hopefully Vietnam, North Korea, and the last Communist counties will collapse too.

China is communist in name only. It's really just a capitalist country with power centralized in an authoritarian government. Communist countries like Russia and other former USSR members were similar. Plutus must be the one true god for he rules us all.
 

BeboRefugee

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They exist because the US allows it, and they'll end if the US demands it.

Good luck defying the US in any meaningful way when your economy hinges on international trade. China may do the ball-fanning routine in the South China sea, but it hasn't the capacity to patrol the Pacific, or the Indian Ocean. The US has fleets stationed in every ocean in the world, simultaneously. No other country has that kind of reach and likely won't this century.
 

Autocrat

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They exist because the US allows it, and they'll end if the US demands it.

Good luck defying the US in any meaningful way when your economy hinges on international trade. China may do the ball-fanning routine in the South China sea, but it hasn't the capacity to patrol the Pacific, or the Indian Ocean. The US has fleets stationed in every ocean in the world, simultaneously. No other country has that kind of reach and likely won't this century.

We need them more than they need us right now.
 

Slimy Time

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China is communist in name only. It's really just a capitalist country with power centralized in an authoritarian government. Communist countries like Russia and other former USSR members were similar. Plutus must be the one true god for he rules us all.
The term they use is Socialist Market Economy, which is a fancy term for State Capitalism. A lot of sectors are government owned, but act like a private sector firm that retains profit, though since 2017 these private sector firms have been paying dividends to the government. Noticeably after they had their massive growth, the government has started to implement the hallmarks of an authoritarian communist government - Social credit scores that limit what citizens have access to, private sectors paying dividends to the government (which owns them anyways) and so on.

To my economic illiterate brain, this is the equivalent of Russia's NEP. Change the economic policies to raise the standard of living and unfuck the situation before dialling it back and introducing more communist ideas.
 

Super-Chevy454

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Their rise was wholly dependent on trade fuckery with the West (mostly the US). Now with the CCP virus and China acting like its usual self (think malignant narcissism, except an entire country), everyone and their brother is seriously reconsidering their relationship with China. Even African nations are telling China to go fuck themselves.

Seems then China won't give up without a fight. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...a-invest-1-trillion-new-plan-overtake-us-tech

As we have been writing since late 2018, when it comes to the technological arms race between the US and China, one place where China has been badly lagging the US, is in the production of semiconductors, which is also China's biggest weakness in its ongoing scramble to catch up with the US technologically.

China's media agrees: over the weekend, we quoted from a Global Times op-ed according to which "although the US had experienced a large-scale deindustrialization in the second half of the 20th century, it still maintains advantages in the semiconductor sector with companies such as Intel, which could complete the whole process of the chip design to producing. The country has held on to cutting-edge semiconductor manufacturing techniques over the past decade."

And now that the cold war between the US and China is about as formal as it can get, China has decided it can no longer rely on the US for being its primary source of high-end technology, and according to Bloomberg, Beijing is accelerating its bid for global leadership in key technologies, and will pump more than a trillion dollars into the economy "through the rollout of everything from wireless networks to artificial intelligence."


Purposefully invoking the spirit of "Made in China 2025", a plan that has in the past infuriated the White House, China's strategic "masterplan" is backed by President Xi Jinping himself, and will see China invest an estimated $1.4 trillion over six years to 2025, "calling on urban governments and private tech giants like Huawei Technologies to lay fifth generation wireless networks, install cameras and sensors, and develop AI software that will underpin autonomous driving to automated factories and mass surveillance."

This also means that while pursuing China's plans to reinvent its technological base and to restructure its entire semiconductor supply chain, Beijing will also create the supreme police state dystopia, one which is even more powerful than the current iteration.

Predictably, the new infrastructure initiative is expected to rely on local giants from Alibaba and Huawei to SenseTime Group while shunning U.S. companies. And as Bloomberg adds, "as tech nationalism mounts, the investment drive will reduce China’s dependence on foreign technology, echoing objectives set forth previously in the Made in China 2025 program. Such initiatives have already drawn fierce criticism from the Trump administration, resulting in moves to block the rise of Chinese tech companies such as Huawei."

“Nothing like this has happened before, this is China’s gambit to win the global tech race,”
said Digital China Holdings Chief Operating Officer Maria Kwok, as she sat in a Hong Kong office surrounded by facial recognition cameras and sensors.

“Starting this year, we are really beginning to see the money flow through.”
 

potato in mah painus

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The term they use is Socialist Market Economy, which is a fancy term for State Capitalism. A lot of sectors are government owned, but act like a private sector firm that retains profit, though since 2017 these private sector firms have been paying dividends to the government. Noticeably after they had their massive growth, the government has started to implement the hallmarks of an authoritarian communist government - Social credit scores that limit what citizens have access to, private sectors paying dividends to the government (which owns them anyways) and so on.

To my economic illiterate brain, this is the equivalent of Russia's NEP. Change the economic policies to raise the standard of living and unfuck the situation before dialling it back and introducing more communist ideas.

If I remember right, Marx himself pointed out that a capitalist style government and market were needed first before his would work. If China is using the same playbook, then we might be seeing the next step into that same philosophy. I wouldn't want to be a Chinese citizen if this was the case, one doesn't have to look far back in history to see Marx style communism bleeding a country dry.
 

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What does all that shit mean?
 

millais

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What does all that shit mean?
It's a copypasta of sensitive political phrases that will supposedly trigger an instant internet disconnection for any Chinese netizen who loads a webpage with any of those phrases. That's not actually how the Chinese internet surveillance system works though, so it's a kind of played out meme to spam it at this point. At worst, maybe a Chinese netizen who loads a webpage with one of the more sensitive phrases might be put on a watchlist or something like that.
 

Marco Fucko

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Personally, looking at China's increasing circle of influence among the third world and even smaller/weaker "western" countries (e.g. Portugal, Greece, Australia) I have to admire the efficiency. They set a goal and shoot for it, without getting bogged down in any of the infighting inherent to a two party system. Sure it's expensive, but their return on issuing out loans to or bribing politicians is access to strategically significant gains: a huge amount of trading ports, investment in national infrastructure such as water in the case of Australia, national loyalty in the case of Portugal. What I see when I look at China on the world stage is an extremely pragmatic state. The Red Princes and those who have curried their favor have learned both from the century of humiliation and the ineffectual dogma of Mao Zedong, and they don't want to be in that position again. It'll be interesting to see how militaristic they get in the future when other Asian states start putting up more of a fuss.
 

millais

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Personally, looking at China's increasing circle of influence among the third world and even smaller/weaker "western" countries (e.g. Portugal, Greece, Australia) I have to admire the efficiency. They set a goal and shoot for it, without getting bogged down in any of the infighting inherent to a two party system. Sure it's expensive, but their return on issuing out loans to or bribing politicians is access to strategically significant gains: a huge amount of trading ports, investment in national infrastructure such as water in the case of Australia, national loyalty in the case of Portugal. What I see when I look at China on the world stage is an extremely pragmatic state. The Red Princes and those who have curried their favor have learned both from the century of humiliation and the ineffectual dogma of Mao Zedong, and they don't want to be in that position again. It'll be interesting to see how militaristic they get in the future when other Asian states start putting up more of a fuss.
They are great believers in the teachings of Sun Tzu, and I believe it's their MO to "win without fighting". If it comes to blows, they will probably acquit themselves well, but they've already failed if it comes to that point. It's much cheaper and less messy for them to achieve their strategic goals through the precise application of soft power, political/economic subversion, and calculated sabre rattling
 

Sweetpeaa

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lol At the comments praising China on here for having a good economy. Do you have any idea how China makes its money? they use slavery of their poorest citizens.