The Spice Must Flow! Villeneuve’s Dune -

[GhostButt]

Only the Fremen are direct analogues. The Empire has some terms taken from Arabic sources, but is otherwise more of a Byzantine or feudal Europe analogue. Paul being referred to with the term "duke" in the trailer should have made that obvious, but here we are.

I always thought the fremen were meant to be the mujahedin, like rambo also references, but then I don't remember the time frame of the USA's interest in that, probibly just the soviet union.

The mothers are jews no? well jews in nun pants anyway

 

[Meriasek]

Only the Fremen are direct analogues. The Empire has some terms taken from Arabic sources, but is otherwise more of a Byzantine or feudal Europe analogue. Paul being referred to with the term "duke" in the trailer should have made that obvious, but here we are.

And the Fremen religion is mostly fake and invented by the Bene Gesserit to further their cause anyway.
The Empire's main religion is a manufactured mixture of every religion ever, and so is their culture. I think that was Frank Herbert's point here to begin with, it takes place some 20k+ years in the future and Earth is but a faded memory. Everything is so evolved and bastardized that there's no point in looking at it from our current year's perspective.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

And the Fremen religion is mostly fake and invented by the Bene Gesserit to further their cause anyway.
The Empire's main religion is a manufactured mixture of every religion ever, and so is their culture. I think that was Frank Herbert's point here to begin with, it takes place some 20k+ years in the future and Earth is but a faded memory. Everything is so evolved and bastardized that there's no point in looking at it from our current year's perspective.

Did the Bene Gesserit come up with Fremen worship of Shai-Hulud? I don't remember that. I thought those beliefs were an evolutionary outgrowth of Islam(the Zensunni wanderers).

The Bene Gesserit did plant prophecies of the outworlder that would arrive and become their Mahdi.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

As much as I like this conceptually (it's about time we see a Dune movie that doesn't suck ass), I can't help but laugh at the Oakley tactical gloves being used as part of the Fremen stillsuit.

 

[Meriasek]

Did the Bene Gesserit come up with Fremen worship of Shai-Hulud? I don't remember that. I thought those beliefs were an evolutionary outgrowth of Islam(the Zensunni wanderers).

The Bene Gesserit did plant prophecies of the outworlder that would arrive and become their Mahdi.

I guess the Shai-Hulud worship was their own thing, but large parts of the zensunni belief was based on Bene Gesserit as far as I remember.
I also like that already 10k years before Dune Islam and Buddhism were already combined to Budislam. I think the Bene Tleilax were also supposed to be Zensunni/Zensufi believers of sorts, with less focus on the sandworm.
I do like how enough time has passed to even allow for a big-ass schism between all the Budislam schools into Zensunni, Zenshiite and Zensufi, and Zensunni Catholicism among the others contributed to the Orange Catholic Bible. The evolution of religion is a fun part of Dune, and 100% SJW bait in the current year because these people just see the words and don't understand a thing.

 

[дядя Боря]

I was using gypsies as a stand in for nomadic culture. I didn't specifically mean roma gypsies.

I believe I read it in a Dune apendix. Russia was the beginning of their genetic heritage. The word Sietch is derived from the Russian word Sech.

Old Slav "s eh tch" means to cut, or in this content it means to cut/clear out part of the forest to create camp which is somewhat of a permanent structure. The there were Ukrainian/cossak "setches" that served as perma camps for cossaks for decades. In this context the camp is more like a stronghold.

Tabr ... gypsies camp called "Tah-bor" but there is nothing permanent about it, it's literally wagons that stopped for a night or a week.

As to nomadness ... some gypsies have formed settlements and build houses, just as some have been rolling around.


Fremen ... sietches have some permanency, but the whole sand nomadic style is a mistery to me, both in Dune and IRL. Mongolian nomads have to move to keep horses fed on grasslands that could only support so many animals and need long time to recuperate, thus constant movement. Moving from one sand spot to another makes little sense to me, it seems like similar issue, sparce resources, if you exhaust what little you had locally, you move on to another spot, be it water or few animals found.

And the Fremen religion is mostly fake and invented by the Bene Gesserit to further their cause anyway.
The Empire's main religion is a manufactured mixture of every religion ever, and so is their culture. I think that was Frank Herbert's point here to begin with, it takes place some 20k+ years in the future and Earth is but a faded memory. Everything is so evolved and bastardized that there's no point in looking at it from our current year's perspective.

Bennegesserite Missionaire Protectiva (sp) were seeding origins of many superstitions and future "legends/prophecies" on many primitive worlds as a means to benefit them much later. Such was the case on Arrakis as Jessica recalls it and used it, just as it was designed to be used later by the order. These seeds were always planted on top of existing superstitions. The whole orders had many more women working hard on its objectives, although we see the top elite in the book.

I always thought the fremen were meant to be the mujahedin, like rambo also references, but then I don't remember the time frame of the USA's interest in that, probibly just the soviet union.

The mothers are jews no? well jews in nun pants anyway

Mujahadeen are gorilla fighters, typically to resist non-muslims. Fedayeen are elite kamikaze martyr fighters. How close Frank meant this to be to the real world, I don't know. It sounds like he borrowed a bunch of words/concepts and loosely put it into the books as a starting point, but for real meaning you had to look into the book, not *pedia on arab tribes.

 

[Phony Negro]

https://collider.com/dune-movie-new-release-date-delayed-2021/

Fuck.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

https://collider.com/dune-movie-new-release-date-delayed-2021/

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Fuck.

No!! The forms of quarantine have been obeyed!

 

[Anja Din]

I don't get the hate people seem to have for the old movie.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

https://collider.com/dune-movie-new-release-date-delayed-2021/

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Fuck.

Not surprised and makes financial sense. They put in alot of money in this. To possibly end up with an underperforming or financially unsucessful film, just to make a stubborn release date, isn't worth it.

Especially because this is apparently part one of a two part film. So, there won't be a resolution in this film.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I don't get the hate people seem to have for the old movie.

Should answer your questions.

 

[XYZpdq]

I don't get the hate people seem to have for the old movie.

I don't see so much hate, but it's certainly got some weird flaws, like the weirding zap guns.
Also on a recent rewatch it seems like a lot of the line deliveries sound like people pompously quoting Dune at each other rather than people having conversations like you get more of in the mini series

 

[nanny911]

I don't see so much hate, but it's certainly got some weird flaws, like the weirding zap guns.
Also on a recent rewatch it seems like a lot of the line deliveries sound like people pompously quoting Dune at each other rather than people having conversations like you get more of in the mini series

This. I was watching a little bit today. I love the movie but my Thog, a lot of the acting is terrible and the cuts are sudden. It's a fun movie but there are so many technical issues it becomes obvious after a while.

 

[King Dead]

https://collider.com/dune-movie-new-release-date-delayed-2021/

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Fuck.

I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm certainly disappointed.

I mean, I get it, lots of people are still anxious about going to movie theaters (assuming they're even open), so studios don't want to release movies into such an anemic market that won't provide much of a return on investment. But the problem with studios continuing to push back their blockbusters like this is that it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy (that's kinda poetic considering we're talking about Dune here). Studios don't want to release movies when nobody is willing to go out and see them, but people generally won't go to the theaters if there's nothing new to watch.

I talked about this in the Wu Flu thread, but anecdotally, people are generally going out and about like normal again where I live (I'm in a red state so our restrictions have never been too severe, and the ones that remain are gradually being lifted). I've seen good sized crowds at the mall, bowling alleys, arcades, bars (except when they close at 11, the fuck), and so on. The only real exception is movie theaters; I've gone to a couple of mine over the past month once they finally reopened, and there's rarely anyone there. There were more people when I went to see Tenet, and even then the theater was maybe a third full at most. But when I've gone to see older films (since theaters don't have much else to show right now), there's barely anyone there, maybe one or two other people at most.

Again, it's all anecdotal, but it seems to me that the only way to get people to go to the movies is for studios to bite the bullet and release what they've finished already. People are tired of being cooped up and want to have things to go out and do again, but classics on the big screen just aren't going to cut it for general audiences. Tenet had a rocky release, but honestly, whatever blockbuster was the first to be released would do poorly. Instead of moving forward and continuing their release schedule, the studios ran scared and are hoping they can just hold out until all the restrictions are lifted, but I can't see how their already shaky business model will survive that long, let alone the theaters they need to actually make their money in the first place.

Anyway, guess there's not much else to talk about for another fucking year, unless this turns into a general Dune thread.

 

[Phony Negro]

Anyway, guess there's not much else to talk about for another fucking year, unless this turns into a general Dune thread.

Until now.

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/dune-matrix-all-warner-bros-films-hbo-max-1234602168/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/warner-bros-to-release-every-2021-movie-on-hbo-max-at-the-same-time-as-theaters.html

 

[Geoff Peterson]

Until now.

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/dune-matrix-all-warner-bros-films-hbo-max-1234602168/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/warner-bros-to-release-every-2021-movie-on-hbo-max-at-the-same-time-as-theaters.html

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Good. Won't have to deal with crummy camrips.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Not surprised and makes financial sense. They put in alot of money in this. To possibly end up with an underperforming or financially unsucessful film, just to make a stubborn release date, isn't worth it.

Especially because this is apparently part one of a two part film. So, there won't be a resolution in this film.

What the fuck they pulled a Hobbit and split the book up into multiple parts? I'm pirating this garbage.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

I wonder if fat people will enjoy their representation. I hope they really make Harkonnen fat and ugly. Looking at the pics on google, he looks more like he's just wearing power armor.

 

[Shield Breaker]

What the fuck they pulled a Hobbit and split the book up into multiple parts? I'm pirating this garbage.

They also apparently fucked with the plot, since Chani shows up in Part One.

 

[TinyKitty]

I don't see so much hate, but it's certainly got some weird flaws, like the weirding zap guns.
Also on a recent rewatch it seems like a lot of the line deliveries sound like people pompously quoting Dune at each other rather than people having conversations like you get more of in the mini series

"I go forth like a wild ass into the desert!"