The universally hated Christian vote? - The modern right will gladly take them, but do they like them?

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So, I was reading this enjoyable thread and a common statement, one that I myself have used many times before, is that jokesters used to hate Christians who tried to enforce public morality, and have since turned their sights on the authoritarian left instead.

But political Christianity never went away. They, most notably, continue to make up the largest single portion of the Iowa primary electorate for Republicans and are an organized and highly participatory, if quiet, part of the electorate. Its just that everyone else has moved away from them, and moved away on everything. I think that Donald Trump views these people as rubes, there's no way he couldn't. The Democratic base has felt that way since before I was born, though it took longer to trickle up to their leadership. Politics is a meat grinder and the longer you are in power, the more often you have to deviate from what it is that the Bible supposedly says, even people who first enter political discourse as Christians often leave as something else (and the reverse almost never occurs.)

On this site specifically, though, Christians are finding it a bit easier than they would have in days past. Mister Metokur states, and I will take his word as I would never waste an hour of my time listening to such a debate, that atheists have been losing more often recently due to all of the fedora memes. And I do know of the memes of which he speaks, he is right that atheists are more than ever victims of mockery now. And yet we do, ultimately, almost all agree with them. Or, at least, agree with them that Jesus Christ is not our own personal savior and lord who died upon the cross, was resurrected and ascended to heaven several days later.

So is the average shit-lord no longer against the ideals espoused in standard American Christian politics? No, I do not think we are. Its just that it is irrelevant and irrelevancy is hard to hate. The Prohibition Party exists, it is probably full of mockable people, but they do not have any affect on the general population and no one here cares to talk about them. Increasingly, I feel that we treat religious politicians the same way (hell, there is a ton of overlap.) And what is it that makes a cow a cow instead of just a random crazy person? It is about power, hypocrisy, an incongruity with reality and desire to force other people to go along with it. ADF is, (well, was,) allowed to run a charity with blue check mark backing despite being clearly inept and a scam artist. Brianna Wu is cited as an expert on harassment despite faking his college degree, having restraining orders taken out against him, being kicked off an airplane for acting insane and... everything else. EvaXephon and Onision get massive threads despite one being a dime a dozen indie weeb developer and the other basically being a social media commentator. SJW journalists get the facts wrong time and time again, with media outlets being more willing to re-write history than admit their own biases. Its the following, power and "respectability" that these dis-respectable people have, which gives them their threads here.

Society gives no respect to political Christianity, and thus there is little to hate. But that does not mean that we, ourselves respect it. We do not make fun of autists and tug boaters in a Christian manner, we do it in a religiously neutral way--at best. And if we speak of someone in a morally superior tone it is not because we are going to heaven while they are going to hell. The presence of religion has left the zeitgeist of our little society, it is a non-factor. :islamic::islamic::islamic:It is a joke. :islamic::islamic::islamic: And not a joke about religious beliefs either.

And our "little society," in my opinion, is actually pretty closely tied to general American youth culture. In regards to those primaries, the ones where Christians still hold sway, they can win Iowa... but won't come close in New Hampshire and nowadays even South Carolina is more likely to follow NH's lead over IA's. The religious busy-body aspect of the Democratic Party, which was an equal participant in hearings about comic books, rock and roll and video games in times past.... no longer exists. This happened in most of Europe half a century or more ago, and while Christianity does continue to have dedicated and political populations of true believers there, sometimes even as the official state religion, religious life does not have affect on general culture in most of their nations. Is that America's future.... or are we there already?

Yes, in present times, that voting block is still there, and still large. And yet, do people listen to them? Abortion is the one issue where they perhaps hold sway, but its one that is not inherently out of step with either party's values. Two people, in theory, share a body, one has full control over it but the other, which is only a temporary visitor, does not take up as much maintenance and will die without it. Once upon a time, it was an issue that split between parties, with differing votes on both sides. But it is not now, few Democrats will come out in favor of more restrictions and thus Republicans get the religious vote by default. Having gained that vote, they pull strings behind the scenes on a host of other little interest issues that benefit the church- tax exemptions, allowance for politics from the pulpit, religious monuments on public grounds, etc. When a mainstream Republican defends these party policies before a mainstream audience, its from a non-religious perspective. Tradition, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the beauty of churches and bell chimes. But they are not argued from a religious perspective. Over 70 percent of the country claims to be religious, "your God says so," should carry a lot of weight.... but it doesn't. Not even for Republicans, and certainly not for the Kiwifarms version of them.

Why is that so? Yes, the religious argument is not effective, but lots of parties have ineffective arguments, made for ideological consistency. I feel as though those arguments are not just un-persuasive, they are actual turn-offs. "The Bible tells me so" is a lazy argument on the face of it and in most places, even ones with a moderate Republican/conservative edge, it is worse than saying nothing. So its ideologically inconsistent, then? Yes, in the era not only of Trump but of the past decade's Republican congress, the mantra of the Republican party has not been towards control from above. And the mantra of Democrats, while it might be that, is definitely not for control from heaven above. Neither side is on their side and neither side will be any time soon. And yet, they will still be on "our" side, as the scraps we give, small though they be, are more than the Democrats have to offer.
 
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In all seriousness though, Evangelical Christians will always overwhelmingly vote Republican. Abortion is such a polarizing issue that the Christian Right will essentially look past any other policy disagreements, if the Pro-Life base is covered.
 
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I honestly believe that if it weren't for the evangelical voter base, we would be in for a whole heap of trouble right now. I know we all like to joke about memes winning the election for Trump, but if you think about it, what voting base voted for him the highest? Sure wasn't Hillary, after telling those Christfags to tone it down on the religion.

Considering that the left is now constantly rolling the DSA and communistic ideals (after the success of Bernie), we'd be in a shitshow for a while if not for the Christian vote.
 

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"The Bible tells me so" is a lazy argument on the face of it and in most places, even ones with a moderate Republican/conservative edge, it is worse than saying nothing

Right, that argument ranks just about at the level of "Every woman should have access to abortion, because it's currentyear". There are poor arguments to be made for any case. Those who can only argue from their own perspective (the bible is always right // changing traditions is by definition better than following them) will have poor ability to persuade any.

I think media plays a significant part in this, because sympathetic christian characters are really rare. I almost fell off my chair when I saw hacksaw ridge and it had this pious heroic character in the lead. Then I read it was directed by mel gibson, and the world made sense again.
 

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At this point, any animosity aimed at Christians way less about censorship than sexual issues. Christian sexual ethics moved from merely being square, to being idefensibly irrational, to being outright immoral, and now, just wait, illegal is coming. The first amendment is eventually going to lose out to the gays. The left is basically just waiting religion out, because they expect it to fade away. They are probably not wrong. Most younger Republicans I run across are atheists. Another generation out, and America will be a lot more like Belgium.
 

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The presence of religion has left the zeitgeist of our little society, it is a non-factor.

And this is why we skew Republican. A Republican is far, far less likely to point at a Christian and say, "They are the backwards fools, clinging bitterly to a thing that every educated person knows is not real. Let us progress and ascend, and meantime silence them because they hurt our delicate feelings." That sort of talk tends to lead to lion pits and firing squads...

Meanwhile, the things we told you would happen are coming to pass, but we aren't holding our breaths, waiting for an apology. We just vote for the party that doesn't (openly) call us idiots and assholes for mentioning we saw it coming.

Is it bad that fewer people claim to believe now? No; I'd say it's better, because falsely claiming a religion only results in half-assed fake Christians (or Jews, or Muslims, or Hindus, etc.) who then talk over the actual believers...hey, just like white SJWs talk over actual black/Hispanic/Muslim/LGBTs! Believe, or don't call yourself a believer. It's fine. We'll preach at you, sure, but I submit that honesty with yourself is worth that minor, occasional disruption in your busy life of Tweeting pictures of your lunch or whatever it is unbelievers do to forget the steady approach of the grave.

I am rambling because I have both passion for this subject and a raging headcold, but rather than going farther offtopic, I'll just say that yes, maybe it's gone from the zeitgeist today. It always does wane in comfortable times when we feel insulated from danger. But danger is just a few stupid, history-ignoring, prideful decisions away, and when it does show up, people are going to rethink their assumptions about the nature of life and the universe--and "42 lol" never does quite satisfy them.
 

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I don't think conservatism is immune to secularization, either. Especially the version in the states, that is so completely tethered to free market economics. The human person, so far as the GOP is concerned, is the same Economic Human that acts according to his supposed self-interests as the model on the left.
 

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So, I was reading this enjoyable thread and a common statement, one that I myself have used many times before, is that jokesters used to hate Christians who tried to enforce public morality, and have since turned their sights on the authoritarian right instead.
I, of course, meant to say that they turned their sights on the authoritarian left instead. Sorry for that rather unfortunate typo that totally changed the meaning of my opening paragraph.
 

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People have just forgot what is was like when they were in power. The new shitposters on the block don't realize that the christian right will be happy do immediately censor anything they find "polluting the youth." Remember the days when they tried to ban video games movies porn and all kinds of other stuff? Cause I still do.
 

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People have just forgot what is was like when they were in power. The new shitposters on the block don't realize that the christian right will be happy do immediately censor anything they find "polluting the youth." Remember the days when they tried to ban video games movies porn and all kinds of other stuff? Cause I still do.

They still want that.

In most countries they actively work with the left to censor things. The French Communist Party formed an alliance with the Conservatives to ban sex dolls and in South Korea the traditional right is entrenched with the feminists under the banner of "family values".


The Republicans must transform into a more populist and Libertarian party to survive. Sure they breed alot but they're dying out and alienate everybody else when they do retarded shit. The genius of Harper in Canada was his ability to tard wrangle the religious right for a decade.
 

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As long as they are not led astray into the Papist notion of "liberation theology", I think they are useful allies in the kulturkampf against the Democrats.

C.S. Lewis once mentioned that the dangerous ones were the ones who used Christianity, and Christians, as a means to their own short-term ends, like using the stairway to Heaven as a shortcut to the corner drugstore.

Don't bitch about "convenient Christians" when you want to use Christianity for your own convenience, please.
 

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The Christian Right is a voting block; OF COURSE the conservatives still like them. Plain and simple. Though, I do think that culturally, conservatives still like Christians.

I am a conservative who believes in God, but I wouldn't call myself religious either. I do, however, understand the importance of religion in a free nation. I've always believed it's important for people to believe in a God, because then they have something higher than the government to answer to in their personal lives. This makes Separation of Church and State make sense in more reasons than one, you know?

That, and Christianity promotes the traditional family unit, which is beneficial for many reasons ... But especially for economic prosperity.
 

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They still want that.

In most countries they actively work with the left to censor things. The French Communist Party formed an alliance with the Conservatives to ban sex dolls and in South Korea the traditional right is entrenched with the feminists under the banner of "family values".


The Republicans must transform into a more populist and Libertarian party to survive. Sure they breed alot but they're dying out and alienate everybody else when they do exceptional shit. The genius of Harper in Canada was his ability to tard wrangle the religious right for a decade.
I've been saying the future of the American conservative is libertarian for years. I'm the guy who gave you the agree rating. Thing is, I don't see social conservatism dying out for awhile so it may not be in my lifetime.
 

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I've been saying the future of the American conservative is libertarian for years. I'm the guy who gave you the agree rating. Thing is, I don't see social conservatism dying out for awhile so it may not be in my lifetime.

Conservative parties all over the world are currently purging Libertarians that want free speech and populists that oppose crony capitalism so we will see a global trend towards Liberal parties simply because of these social conservatives holding control over the parties.
 
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In the US, it's really impossible to separate christian conservatives from any other conservative force because the left is so hellbent on demonizing christians, whites, nuclear families, literally everything that the bloc in question identifies with. Who would you choose if one side is basically praising your extermination as divine prophecy? I've heard from more than one christian voter: "Trump is a piece of garbage, but hollywood hates me."