The Urbit Thread - Why you shuold use Urbit, and so should your mom

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Overly Serious

kiwifarms.net
That's a desperate rationalization. It's not like MS Windows being proprietary keeps it from being used by ransom ware. Paying for a walled garden just means your paying and you're blocked in by walls. In this garden your safety is not guaranteed and some learn that the hard way.
The software isn't paid. The membership is. You're confusing the two.
 

Shoggoth

kiwifarms.net
The software isn't paid. The membership is. You're confusing the two.
This has more in common with paying for OSS support than for proprietary software.
You're not even paying for membership. You can be a comet for free. What you're paying for is the baseline level of trust among other members and for a verifiable identity and communication.
They're also working on reducing the cost of gas back to normal levels so planets will be reasonable again.
It makes no sense to complain about it. All of us have paid more for less.
 

ConcernedAnon

Concerned and hopefully anonymous
kiwifarms.net
That's if you happen to know. Other than the horrorshow that is hoon, this all looks pretty nice. It's certainly a good idea.
Take it back hoon is beautifully psychotic
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Also is there a way to mess around with hoon without having to set up urbit? Like a godbolt for hoon or something of the like
 

Green Banana

kiwifarms.net
Take it back hoon is beautifully psychotic
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Also is there a way to mess around with hoon without having to set up urbit? Like a godbolt for hoon or something of the like
you've gotta run a fakezod
Code:
urbit -F zod
, since the urbit binary is the nock VM. Just think of it as a smalltalk image: you can also set it up as a language server for your text editor
 

Shoggoth

kiwifarms.net
you've gotta run a fakezod
Code:
urbit -F zod
, since the urbit binary is the nock VM. Just think of it as a smalltalk image: you can also set it up as a language server for your text editor
Not even a Zod, you can just a comet, doesn't really matter.
 

for

kiwifarms.net
Just host shit on Tor/I2P, like a normal person.
Yeah every normal person I know hosts on TOR/12P :story:

I have been giving urbit a test run with a comet using the app "Port". Easy as to jump on and give it a go. Seems pretty comfy and everyone on there is pretty friendly. A friend of mine is using TLON's hosting and he said it was completely painless to onboard which I would expect for a paid hosting service. Anyone here willing to share their @p?
 

Shoggoth

kiwifarms.net
Anyone here willing to share their @p?
Nah, not before I have a collection of planets, that would pretty much burn one of them.
Otherwise I'm glad to hear you're having a good experience with it.
I'm not sure most users even need paid hosting, you can run your ship and minio on a RPi. Tlon offers DNS resolution for ships, so you'll just be able to serve your own ship from your home wherever you are.
 

for

kiwifarms.net
Nah, not before I have a collection of planets, that would pretty much burn one of them.
Otherwise I'm glad to hear you're having a good experience with it.
I'm not sure most users even need paid hosting, you can run your ship and minio on a RPi. Tlon offers DNS resolution for ships, so you'll just be able to serve your own ship from your home wherever you are.
Any decent guides for doing this?
 

RightToBearBlarms

The Red Lobster Cheddar Biscuit of People
kiwifarms.net
The technology sounds neat but what do you do on it?
Is it a chat thing or are people paying $300 for a planet to have access to a weather app?
 

Shoggoth

kiwifarms.net
The technology sounds neat but what do you do on it?
Is it a chat thing or are people paying $300 for a planet to have access to a weather app?
There are three aspects to it: what's available now, what's coming-soon and what's in the far future.
Currently you have:
  • Chat application
  • Publishing application (like blogs)
  • Index application (think like HN, you just share a link to something)
  • Bitcoin wallet
  • Bit more "hidden" applications:
    • Chess
    • Torrent tracker
    • Urtweet
Currently, a planet costs 0.025 ETH, or you can be nice to someone and they'll just give it to you, but it's not that expensive.

One of the important aspects planned for the future is app distribution over Urbit itself, i.e. some sort of app store. When it becomes convenient to anyone to distribute their code using Urbit as a platform you can expect an explosion of services. Mobile app should be coming soon. Already has a shiny desktop client.

In the far future I have no idea what to expect. It's only limited by what people will come up with

The important bit to remember about all this is you're self hosting all of it. You're not someone's client, you can't be banned, only you can lose your data.

Why get on the network now, instead of later or ever?
First, to talk to Spandrell if you wan to.
Second, there are interesting people doing interesting things there. Usually more technically competent and not big on obeying the Global American Empire. The network is small enough that it's easy to reach and communicate some of the more competent individuals, at the moment. You have investors, entrepreneurs, all sorts of go-getters. Why not make connections with competent people outside the watchful eye of HR?
Third, there's always the option Urbit gets big and incredibly successful. There are advantages to getting on early. Decide if they're worth it
 

Overly Serious

kiwifarms.net
So I finally found time to have a bit more of a read-up on Urbit, Hoon and it's various parts and what a "vane" is, and so forth.

I don't know how, but it hadn't quite sunk in that this is designed as a literal Operating System. I was still thinking of it as more of a protocol. I have to actually run it up and play around with it more but it's substantially more complex than I'd expected.

I still greatly like the idea of (a) self-hosting / owning your own content and (b) a small cost to participate which reduces bots and scammers. But I'm not quite sure how you'd build a popular network on this for the non-technical crowd.
 

Shoggoth

kiwifarms.net
So I finally found time to have a bit more of a read-up on Urbit, Hoon and it's various parts and what a "vane" is, and so forth.

I don't know how, but it hadn't quite sunk in that this is designed as a literal Operating System. I was still thinking of it as more of a protocol. I have to actually run it up and play around with it more but it's substantially more complex than I'd expected.

I still greatly like the idea of (a) self-hosting / owning your own content and (b) a small cost to participate which reduces bots and scammers. But I'm not quite sure how you'd build a popular network on this for the non-technical crowd.
Maybe I didn't clarify that, "Urbit is a clean slate OS for the 21st century". It does everything. God help it.
How you'd build a non technical network? Alternatively, what are the barriers?
In short:
desktop client working on windows (already works on mac and linux)
UrbitLFS or basic minio integration ootb
First activation is annoying because boomers can't into ethereum and it's expensive now.
All those things are being worked on.

There's fucking Urtweet now.
You should also look at the grants page to get a feel of what people are working on.
Specifically, there's a lot of work being done at the moment on messaging and making it more accessible.
It's going to be an amazing year.
 
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