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Why should you buy a thinkpad?
1. These laptops are built like tanks.
2. Their reliable
3. Their dirt cheap used.
4. Easy to open and repair.
 
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Wingus Dongshire

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Why shouldn't you buy a thinkpad?
1.) all the reasons listed above haven't applied since thinkpad became a Lenovo product
2.) i used to do warranty repairs on lenovo thinkpads and the entire thing is just thin plastic walls holding important shit in place (don't plug in the charger too much or you might find it a good 3 inches further into the case than it used to be)
3.) All the chassis screws are screwed into knurled slots that are "injection molded" (read: made really hot and pushed into) plastic pegs so any amount of shock tends to break the screws loose enough that you will never be able to unscrew them, as the knurled slot just spins against the plastic
4.) Lenovo markup is fucking exceptional
5.) Lenovo moved away from generic barrel jack chargers for that weird box shit they use as a way to try and cut down on losing profit to universal/third-party chargers
 

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Sounds like someone hasn't taken apart a Thinkpad Edge.

That touchpad ribbon cable length is ridiculous.
 

Sam Losco

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Lenovo/ThinkPad white lists devices in the BIOS. Want to replace the WLAN card? Better make sure you get one that is whitelisted or it won't work. That is reason enough to tell them to go fuck themselves.
 
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The Thinkpad holds a special place in my heart simply by the grace of being the first laptop I owned, even though it beared through the pains of spyware because younger, dipshit me didn't know a thing or two about internet safety along.

Wouldn't mind getting an IBM Thinkpad and installing some Linux based O\S or Temple O\S just to get a hang of how it using something that isn't Apple or Microsoft.
 

Wingus Dongshire

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The Thinkpad holds a special place in my heart simply by the grace of being the first laptop I owned, even though it beared through the pains of spyware because younger, dipshit me didn't know a thing or two about internet safety along.

Wouldn't mind getting an IBM Thinkpad and installing some Linux based O\S or Temple O\S just to get a hang of how it using something that isn't Apple or Microsoft.
I don't know if a classic IBM Thinkpad could run TempleOS, it was only made for x86_64 and I'm pretty sure by the time 64 bit processors were a thing Thinkpads were already a Lenovo product. Even if it could, optimization was never a priority for Terry so it'd probably run like a hot penis
Thanks Lunduke
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I don't know if a classic IBM Thinkpad could run TempleOS, it was only made for x86_64 and I'm pretty sure by the time 64 bit processors were a thing Thinkpads were already a Lenovo product. Even if it could, optimization was never a priority for Terry so it'd probably run like a hot penis
Considering that, I'd may as well use my first pc to try and run Temple O\S. And using Linux on an old Thinkpad (from the year of 2005 or 2006) though I'd first have to get an IBM model Thinkpad and hope it wasn't fucked by the previous owner.
 

Wingus Dongshire

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if you like 4gigs of ram soldered into the motherboard and screws for the back cover to break and spin free go for it.

i like toughbooks
I fucking love toughbooks, they look like they house a fucking nuclear launch computer and I have yet to see one with any physical damage that affects functionality. Are those still a thing? All the ones I see nowadays are early win7 era.

Considering that, I'd may as well use my first pc to try and run Temple O\S. And using Linux on an old Thinkpad (from the year of 2005 or 2006) though I'd first have to get an IBM model Thinkpad and hope it wasn't fucked by the previous owner.
You can find one pretty cheap, they aren't exactly in high demand because they aren't vintage PCs by any margin.
 

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I fucking love toughbooks, they look like they house a fucking nuclear launch computer and I have yet to see one with any physical damage that affects functionality. Are those still a thing? All the ones I see nowadays are early win7 era.


You can find one pretty cheap, they aren't exactly in high demand because they aren't vintage PCs by any margin.
Theres tons of toughbook resellers and refurbishers on ebay that'll upgrade the hdd to ssd and upgrade to win 10.

you can buy empty toughbooks do the upgrades yourself.

if youre rich you can buy new models outright with all the fixinga for 8-15k
 

TenMilesWide

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Call me exceptional for it if you want but I really like the mid-late 2000s tablet/transformable thinkpads. Shit like the x60t. I don't even really know why, they just feel right to me.
 

Sam Losco

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I fucking love toughbooks, they look like they house a fucking nuclear launch computer and I have yet to see one with any physical damage that affects functionality. Are those still a thing? All the ones I see nowadays are early win7 era.
Air Force used Toughbooks (and later some other brand of rugged laptop) for flight line maintenance for tech data. They were probably the same early models you mention. They were tough for sure, but we managed to break some to the point of not working. Mostly the screens. The touchscreen sucked and I think required a stylus. The black plastic on the sides of the screen that had the wifi antennas would break a lot. Sometimes the doors covering ports would break and not latch or break off completely.

One guy left one in the wheel well one time. It fell out when the jet took off and reportedly shattered across the runway.

Those things were the first and only time I've ever seen a neat BIOS function. It was so damn cold when I tried to boot one that it waited in the BIOS with a message that it was warming up the hard drive. I shit you not, it had to warm up the fucking hard drive to boot.
 
Just get a System76 laptop, major OEMs are all shit
But the keyboard on it is garbage. That is really one of the major reasons to buy a Thinkpad, it practically sits alone on keyboard quality and usability. Its not really the same since it lost its 7th row, but what else is there? (Have to have a touchpoint, so that rules out almost every other option.) Someone just needs to jam a dkestop-sized tenkeyless keyboard layout onto a 15" laptop, add a touchpoint, and declare perfection.
 

a_lurker

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op:
1. Some are, some models are shit.
2.Generally, some models have quirks/common problems.
3. Depends on the model
4. See above.

Some models are great. Typically the business models that schools/hospitals use are decent and are bought and replaced in bulk every few years so used machines/parts are common, and usually cheap (depending on model). Most models of thinkpads are designed to be repaired instead of being replaced. that being said some models are a bitch to get into or just tedious.

I cant remember which generation, but one of the x1 carbons had an LCD bezel was essentially a fucking sticker over a plastic ring around the lcd panel. so in addition to the plastic bezel that holds the lcd in place you also had to get a fucking sticker unless you just wanted it to look like ass.

either the t61p or t60p, one of the t6x series with a p (meaning dedicated gpu) required a replacement fan about every 2 years, and gpu bga failures were common

Any of the thinkpads with the center lcd hinges that rotated around 180 degrees for so you could use it as a tablet is a pain in the ass to get apart, and reroute the lcd/antenna cables if you ever had to redo any of that shit.

there are a few newer thinkpads that have this annoying bezel around the keys on the keyboard that has to be slid up and you have to go in between the keys with a tiny screwdriver to remove the keyboard, its a lot more annoying than swapping a keyboard on most of the older style thinkpads where 2-3 screws on the bottom, keyboard slides up and pops right out.

Lenovo/ThinkPad white lists devices in the BIOS. Want to replace the WLAN card? Better make sure you get one that is whitelisted or it won't work. That is reason enough to tell them to go fuck themselves.
Thats not just a lenovo thing. HP, Dell, ASUS,etc, pretty much anyone who sells in the us. They don't want to pay for FCC certification & testing for every wireless card on the planet, so they whitelist the one or two models they have tested.

Just get a System76 laptop, major OEMs are all shit
I'm interested in System76, like what they're doing, but aren't most of their laptops just rebranded sager/clevo hardware?


not a thinkpad, but the lenovo yoga series is shit .
I've had around four come through just dead after a year, and another five or six that have that stupid ass efi bug where the system goes to sleep and will not wake so you think your motherboard is fucked, but if you disconnect/reconnect the battery it magically works again until you look at it wrong a month or to later and it does the shit again.
 

Sam Losco

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Thats not just a lenovo thing. HP, Dell, ASUS,etc, pretty much anyone who sells in the us. They don't want to pay for FCC certification & testing for every wireless card on the planet, so they whitelist the one or two models they have tested.
I never had a problem with my old HP laptop and my current Asus ROG has had zero issues swapping hardware.

The FCC excuse is bullshit. They aren't responsible for what people do after they buy the laptop.

IMO, this is purely a money grab by trying to force people to buy hardware though them at a huge mark up.
 
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I never had a problem with my old HP laptop and my current Asus ROG has had zero issues swapping hardware.

The FCC excuse is bullshit. They aren't responsible for what people do after they buy the laptop.

IMO, this is purely a money grab by trying to force people to buy hardware though them at a huge mark up.
I want to say it started around 2013-2014. I think some regulation got changed so they tightened up the requirements for laptop manufacturers.

I've got an older thinkpad i can throw pretty much any wireless card i want into it. Just about any new machine you find from the past five or 6 years will have a bios whitelist and will bitch and moan at post and refuse to boot.

apparently the whitelists can be removed or nopped out
I recall it being a different site, but maybe my memory is going, but this looks like the article i had read a while back about modding out the whitelists in their EFI https://medium.com/@p0358/removing-wlan-wwan-bios-whitelist-on-a-lenovo-laptop-to-use-a-custom-wi-fi-card-f6033a5a5e5a

all the whitelists are checking for are specific pci-id values, not necessarily a "lenovo" branded product. generally the same model/chipset wifi card should work on whitelisted systems even if the card came out of another laptop manufacturers laptop.

-edit- I think the regulation for wifi has to do with transmit power/wattage which i think varies based on the antenna used. so even though the wifi card on its own is certified, some laptop manufacturers may use higher gain antenna configurations. (i could be wrong, i do pc repair, not a EE or radio guy)
I know tp link nixed custom firwmare on most if not all of their newer routers because of the fcc, and i know some routers had the ability to change the tx/rx power with the custom firmware.
 
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I fucking love toughbooks, they look like they house a fucking nuclear launch computer and I have yet to see one with any physical damage that affects functionality. Are those still a thing? All the ones I see nowadays are early win7 era.


You can find one pretty cheap, they aren't exactly in high demand because they aren't vintage PCs by any margin.
They still release new models. I'm typing this out on an old CF-52, which is their "semi-rugged" line that is aimed at police and law enforcement. They are up to CF-54 if memory serves me right.

The main issue I have with laptops is I can maintain the underlying electronics and hardware better than the actual physical housings. My Toshiba satellite works just fine, but the plastic is coming apart and has a loud as fuck fan, so it stays as a "house laptop" relegated to being a pornostash machine Do the post-IBM Lenovo physical housing hold up, or are they just skating on the established reputation of the Thinkpad while lower quality like Doc Martin boots?
 
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