Third World Slave Labor - Made in China

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does it bother you guys that even despite us living in this super social justice culture, we just take it for granted that all our manufacturing is outsourced to global corporations hiring chinks to work for 15 cents an hour and dump all the waste byproducts in the ocean? The fact that almost everything we buy is made in china seems like it should be the biggest political issue of our times, but nobody seems to even give a shit.
 

libRT

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It sucks, but it'll continue for as long as they accept it. What can outsiders do to help them? Outside help only seems to make everything worse.

You don't see much virtue signalling for it because there isn't much to gain from freeing the chinese for the SJW's, except higher phone prices. That and tranny fag shit gets you a higher social credit score.
 

ColtWalker1847

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That's kinda the way it is in a manufacturing economy. We had factory workers making menial wages and the Cuyahoga river catching on fire when it was done here. When labor and environmental laws ramped up it all died out. It takes a fully developed middle-class to adopt policies like that.

In China where the Great Leap Forward is still in living memory the people aren't there yet. The shit jobs and the pollution of today is a big step up from being an illiterate peasant dirt farmer smelting iron in a backyard furnace.
 

Ser Prize

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I try to buy local where I can to offset this, but I can only do so much in face of rising costs on everything. It's a two fanged issue: not only are the money from purchases going overseas; every manufacturing plant outsourced to China is one that could have been stateside and employed many workers. In that way these big business locusts have completely decimated the working class.
The shit jobs and the pollution of today is a big step up from being an illiterate peasant dirt farmer smelting iron in a backyard furnace.
I fucking doubt that.
 

cybertoaster

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Where shit gets made stopped being a problem for most westerners ever since the japanese showed up with their cheap radios and cars in the 70's.

If anything it was a bigger issue back then because it was japanese companies selling the stuff, meanwhile how many people you know who buy chinese-branded stuff? xiaomi phones? byd cars? nobody.

Today its our companies outsourcing production so its ok because the money "stays" here. Thats how neolibs explain this shit and it completely backfired when covid happened and the chinese decided they needed all those medical products our companies were making in their country.
 

ColtWalker1847

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I fucking doubt that.
Read a fucking book. The Great Leap Forward and the following Cultural Revolution were not happy fun time for your average Chinese person. They had a population decline during the period because the famines were so bad. If you didn't like it, you were disappeared. All of that shit was a major part of Chinese society until Mao died taking his oppressive form of collective agrarian communism with it.

Some menial job stamping out rubber dogshit in Guangzhou today? Yeah, it's not that bad.

It's about norms and what the standard was before. China had a looooong way to grow as far as standards of living. Their version of boomers had to resort to cannibalism to survive.
 

Unassuming Local Guy

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Very few people actually care about slavery as an institution. They just care about how they can profit from it, both past and present. They profit from past slavery with cries of racism/diversity drives/DIE initiatives/guilt trips, and they profit from present slavery by getting cheap consumer goods/getting things manufactured for pennies on the dollar. Slavery is the best thing that ever happened to most people who are not slaves, and though they would never admit it, deep down they know it and it makes them extremely uncomfortable.

Americans probably put a collective billion man-hours every day into kvetching about slavery and just as much effort into ensuring it keeps on existing everywhere but their own backyard. It's the greatest hypocrisy this world has ever seen.
 

Ser Prize

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Read a fucking book. The Great Leap Forward and the following Cultural Revolution were not happy fun time for your average Chinese person. They had a population decline during the period because the famines were so bad. If you didn't like it, you were disappeared. All of that shit was a major part of Chinese society until Mao died taking his oppressive form of collective agrarian communism with it.

Some menial job stamping out rubber dogshit in Guangzhou today? Yeah, it's not that bad.

It's about norms and what the standard was before. China had a looooong way to grow as far as standards of living. Their version of boomers had to resort to cannibalism to survive.
I don't disagree that the great leap forward was a goatfuck. What I disagree with is the notion that chinese slave labourers now are better off than when they were peasant farmers.
 

ColtWalker1847

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What I disagree with is the notion that chinese slave labourers now are better off than when they were peasant farmers.
Well you are just wrong then. Powerless Maoist collective farmer, specifically those under Mao himself, was probably the worst job in history. Even in the "good times" it was still objectively bad.

Say what you will about Chinese working conditions now but it has been worse. My point, that you are stubbornly ignoring out of what is likely some misplaced idealism of a primitive agrarian lifestyle (like Mao), is that their society is giving better lives to the average person. Think Gilded Age America and the rapid urbanization it brought.

Eventually it is going to get good enough where the people are going to want better stuff like money, air, and water. Not just a barely-survivable existence. But it takes time. You can't expect them to fully understand it in one generation. Societies don't go from pulling plows with water buffalo to technofuturistic eco-topias in that short of time.

You have to develop a prosperous middle-class first. They are the ones that force this change.
 

Digi Faggot

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For those of us outside of China, there is little we can do. Something on a federal level, such as banning products from China, could have an impact, but it has more than just the impact we might desire.

In the end, it's basic economics. As long as they are willing to work for so little, it will continue, regardless of who buys the end product. Their pollution issues are once again, something we can try to pressure a change on, but otherwise it's up to them to actually change. Unless you are willing to Annex all of China, the most we can do is discuss things, as individually not buying from China products won't do shit.

Until their people are willing to stand up, to change, to ask to be paid more or fight for freedom or just simply changes, there is nothing to feel guilty for on our end. Buying form them isn't the only reason they have their structure, and even if we give people the choice to not buy from them, nothing short of federal bans from all countries will actually dry them up. Otherwise, they still have someone willing to buy from them, even their own people. It seems we somehow often forget that it's not just cheap for us, but for them as well, which is how they can afford to spend their paltry salary on cheap items.