This Year's Nobel Prize in Physics Mixes 2 Research Fields — And Politics - Are there too many old white men receiving Nobel prizes?

LazyLizard

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is there a single prize out there that is actually based on skill and merit and not on politics? it's either "everyone gets a gold star" or "you did great work and deserves a reward but you said XXXXX in 1998 so we're not going to give this to you and give it to some crippled old black lady instead"
 

Screw Danlon

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Good. We need more gatekeeping. No need to waste resources on those who can't and won't.

That's bullshit and reeks of tabula rasa, everyone is equal, different outcomes are only the result of discrimination, all that bullshit. Really interesting and disappointing to see scientists become pagans.
Tabula rasa / “everyone has something to offer” aside... the kind of person who gives up on something just because people give them shit isn’t going to be a top-shelfer in any field.

Being good at something is fairly easy - just requires skill, practice and a little talent. Being great or even the best at something requires that plus a need to do it, whatever the cost or obstacles. And if you can’t handle pressure and antagonism, God help you if you’re actually successful - such as, say, getting a prestigious prize.

There’s nothing wrong with ‘merely’ being good at something, either. This ‘validation culture’ has killed the concept of self-satsisfaction, without external rewards.
 

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It never ceases to astound me that there are people who reject the notion that there are winners and losers yet would call people who don't believe in evolution stupid.
Because 'winners' and 'losers' are a social construct, and it is racist/sexist to think that society is subject to evolutionary pressures.
 

Unog

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Because 'winners' and 'losers' are a social construct, and it is racist/sexist to think that society is subject to evolutionary pressures.
I don't get how that doublethink shit works for them though. There's an objective winner in the relationship between a fly that goes into a web and a fly that doesn't.

Competition breeds success is a paradigm that not only works, but is in motion all around us on this lively wet rock we call home. I just don't get how that doesn't enter their heads. Granted, there's exceptions like the dinosaurs getting fucking owned by a random asteroid, but still.
 

Haramburger

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You forgot an "r" with "furies".
Actually it's probably intended as "furies," singular "fury," or what's essentially an anthropomorphized curse from greek mythology. They aren't quite gods, but the gods and mortals both recognize them as a dangerous type of spiritual entity.

"pagans live in a world insulated from reality by spirits, furies and emotions. "

Interpreting it as furries could also be valid, depends on @Shoggoth 's intent but given his username he probably meant it as furies.

All this fuss over the Nobel prize is unwarranted anyways, Alfred Nobel just felt a little guilty about getting insanely rich off of inventing dangerous explosives that exponentially increased the body count in war and invented an award that made it easier to sleep at night while stroking his ego.
 

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Actually it's probably intended as "furies," singular "fury," or what's essentially an anthropomorphized curse from greek mythology. They aren't quite gods, but the gods and mortals both recognize them as a dangerous type of spiritual entity.

"pagans live in a world insulated from reality by spirits, furies and emotions. "

Interpreting it as furries could also be valid, depends on @Shoggoth 's intent but given his username he probably meant it as furies.
Thank you, that was indeed what I was going for. Very astute and/or heavily autistic of you.
 

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I don't get how that doublethink shit works for them though. There's an objective winner in the relationship between a fly that goes into a web and a fly that doesn't.

Competition breeds success is a paradigm that not only works, but is in motion all around us on this lively wet rock we call home. I just don't get how that doesn't enter their heads. Granted, there's exceptions like the dinosaurs getting fucking owned by a random asteroid, but still.
People aren't flies. All people are the same, in that we all have the same potential. Blank slate, and all that. We are more evolved than animals. We don't *need* to compete like they do.

Its just that some people can't stand to be on a level playing field, and so through racism and sexism keep other worthy people locked out.

White men can't compete against pocs and women, so they resort to artifical means to maintain their privledge.
 

Screw Danlon

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It never ceases to astound me that there are people who reject the notion that there are winners and losers yet would call people who don't believe in evolution stupid.
To be fair the true ‘winning’ and ‘losing’ in evolutionary theory happens at a macro, generational scale.

But I think the real reason is simpler - if nothing that happens to you is your fault, then meritocracy is meaningless, because no matter what you do, success or failure is ‘environmental’. It’s basically the atheist version of ‘foreordainment’.

I guess in some ways it’s comforting, because it means you’re not accountable for your failures. But at the same time, it’s a really childish attitude.
 

Shoggoth

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It never ceases to astound me that there are people who reject the notion that there are winners and losers yet would call people who don't believe in evolution stupid.
They reject the idea of winners and losers but don't dare disagree with them or you're an incel loser. They're so deep into their own ass they can see sunlight
 

HumanHive

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is there a single prize out there that is actually based on skill and merit and not on politics? it's either "everyone gets a gold star" or "you did great work and deserves a reward but you said XXXXX in 1998 so we're not going to give this to you and give it to some crippled old black lady instead"
Darwin Awards.
 

The Littlest Shitlord

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What a stupid article. Women and nonwhites rarely win the Nobel Prize because it's often awarded long after (as in, decades) the research it is awarded for. Because there were fewer women and nonwhite scientists in decades past, there will be fewer such Nobel prize winners today. There are reasons why the awarding process is so conservative: no one wants the highest award in science to be given out for research that later turns out to be wrong! (And even despite this caution, it's happened before; one Nobel was given in the 20th century for a protein structure that was later found to be partly incorrect.) The prize is awarded to the elderly mostly because it can't be awarded to the dead.
 

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The problem with Nobel Prizes is a lot of research in the past could have been done by one or two dedicated people. This has been a major problem since the 1950s once all the easy shit was discovered. Now it takes teams to do amazing things because there are no more easy pickings.

Typically they solve this by giving it to the PI or the first author of any paper, but this still doesn't solve the issue.
 
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