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Smaug's Smokey Hole

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It's an insidious idea, that there's a quota to fill of kids to help troon out. And they're treated in a way they never treated gay kids - as if the parents can't be trusted, but the woke teacher can help guide them to be comfortable with themselves, as they know better. And it really emphasises how it's about getting kids to only trust the 'right' people, the ones whose idea of what's best for them involves pushing them to be something they likely aren't, in a way that would be considered 'predatory' if it was about any other topic but 'enlightened' once it's about gender identity.
Agreed and for some time this has reminded me of a thing that happened in the past where I live: the anorexia scare.
A girl died, there were really sappy TV movies made to make people cry, professional worry-warts filled the airwaves and the press printed a lot of articles and opinion pieces about it(it was a goldmine to them, they really milked it, as is their custom). Guides to spotting signs of anorexia was printed and handed out to people that worked with girls in some capacity and while I don't know I'm sure there were seminars where someone got paid big money to teach the adults - it's not an uncommon thing especially if it's tax money being spent.

It became the cause du jour and that always leads to something dumb happening.

I understand the horrors of anorexia but this massive push and tunnel vision wasn't good. Every adult tried to spot an anorexia happening, if they found one it earned many back pats because they just saved a troubled girls life by questioning her diet, everyone from teachers to social services were eager to help out. It's not hard to guess where all of this went wrong.
Most people have forgotten it because it didn't really affect them, girls that were naturally skinny might remember it though and I know people that as adults themselves look back and feel that they were harassed by adults over what was their natural body type. That's really bad for someone in their early teens.

Teachers eager to find a trans-child in school seems very familiar and they're just as happy to help out as the people I talked about and for the same reasons. In both situations, the past and the present, it's them pretty much doing a child a bear's favor.
 
Agreed and for some time this has reminded me of a thing that happened in the past where I live: the anorexia scare.
A girl died, there were really sappy TV movies made to make people cry, professional worry-warts filled the airwaves and the press printed a lot of articles and opinion pieces about it(it was a goldmine to them, they really milked it, as is their custom). Guides to spotting signs of anorexia was printed and handed out to people that worked with girls in some capacity and while I don't know I'm sure there were seminars where someone got paid big money to teach the adults - it's not an uncommon thing especially if it's tax money being spent.

It became the cause du jour and that always leads to something dumb happening.

I understand the horrors of anorexia but this massive push and tunnel vision wasn't good. Every adult tried to spot an anorexia happening, if they found one it earned many back pats because they just saved a troubled girls life by questioning her diet, everyone from teachers to social services were eager to help out. It's not hard to guess where all of this went wrong.
Most people have forgotten it because it didn't really affect them, girls that were naturally skinny might remember it though and I know people that as adults themselves look back and feel that they were harassed by adults over what was their natural body type. That's really bad for someone in their early teens.

Teachers eager to find a trans-child in school seems very familiar and they're just as happy to help out as the people I talked about and for the same reasons. In both situations, the past and the present, it's them pretty much doing a child a bear's favor.
Yeah. See also zero tolerance rules that prevent no actual crimes but do cause a bunch of people to get in trouble for no reason. And that example is a good one, because again, people grabbed on to a social concern to attack people they didn't like. Suddenly normal skinny girls are all "anorexic". And the naturally skinny girls who got weirdly judged on their bodies probably didn't get any healthier from it...

The problem is, society puts all this on the schools. The schools are filled with schoolteachers and administrators. Not the fucking smartest bunch. Their role should be to go through the lesson plan and administer various tests, feed the kids, etc. Leave the morals and ethics to the parents, because the schools simply aren't equipped to do it.
 

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Yeah. See also zero tolerance rules that prevent no actual crimes but do cause a bunch of people to get in trouble for no reason. And that example is a good one, because again, people grabbed on to a social concern to attack people they didn't like. Suddenly normal skinny girls are all "anorexic". And the naturally skinny girls who got weirdly judged on their bodies probably didn't get any healthier from it...

The problem is, society puts all this on the schools. The schools are filled with schoolteachers and administrators. Not the fucking smartest bunch. Their role should be to go through the lesson plan and administer various tests, feed the kids, etc. Leave the morals and ethics to the parents, because the schools simply aren't equipped to do it.
For a number of reasons over the past 20 years or so people have begun to believe that schools should be raising their children rather than teaching them. It is a horrifying prospect.
 

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She should be treated like any other pedophile grooming an 8 year old. Yeah, showing kids sex stuff at a young age has been a thing for a long, long time. It's called being a fucking pedophile.
She was obviously excited by the idea that she had a kid to troon out. You don't start making special rules and collecting up materials because you're just trying to be helpful. This woman had fireworks going off in her brain over the idea of teaching a 2nd grader to become a little girl.
 

Dysnomia

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There's always been creepy men in the men's room. The ones that stands too close and looks at your dick at the urinal, holding their own but never pissing. Or the ones that goes to the pool but hangs around in the locker room for hours. It happens some time and it's really no big deal.

The BIG difference is that with them it is possible to go to the front desk/bar and say that there's a creep peeping dicks and acting shady and they'll throw him out. No social media shit storm, nothing.

Adding obviously men in dresses wouldn't be that big of a deal for most I believe but as you say the trannies are rageoholics so that could be a challenge. They would have a harder time intimidating and pushing around men so maybe they will shrink down and behave according to the social norms among men, something they're already very familiar with(just look at how their behavior suddenly changes when they become "women" and no one can tell them what to do).
And since they were never socialized as female and have some crazy fetish driven idea of how they should be acting I just don't feel safe dealing with them. Sorry sir, but we ladies don't go around acting like pervs in changerooms. And if someone does it is not appreciated. These trannies need classes or something. But no one can tell them that they aren't acting like real women.
 

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Transgender people in China are classified as 'mentally ill' and forced to perform highly dangerous surgery ON THEMSELVES, study claims
  • 'China is failing transgender people', rights group Amnesty International says
  • Trans people forced to turn to unsafe, unregulated gender-affirming treatments
  • Many risk their lives by buying black market drugs and attempting self-surgery
  • One trans woman nearly died after trying to remove her male genitals at home
Transgender people in China are driven to buy black market drugs and even attempt surgery on themselves due to widespread discrimination, according to a new report.
In China, trans people are classified as having a mental illness and gender-affirming surgeries require the consent of families, creating a major barrier in accessing safe treatment, according to human rights group Amnesty International in a report published today.
The prevalence of stigma, an 'alarming' lack of knowledge in the public health system and other restrictive eligibility requirements have driven young transgender men and women to seek unregulated and unsafe alternatives, researchers found.
A participant applies rainbow coloured facepaint before a 5.17 km run to mark the International Day Against Homophobia in a park in Beijing in May, 2018. Transgender people in China are forced to buy black market drugs and even attempt surgery on themselves due to widespread discrimination, according to human rights group Amnesty International.
A participant applies rainbow coloured facepaint before a 5.17 km run to mark the International Day Against Homophobia in a park in Beijing in May, 2018. Transgender people in China are forced to buy black market drugs and even attempt surgery on themselves due to widespread discrimination, according to human rights group Amnesty International.

'China is failing transgender people,' said Doriane Lau, China Researcher at Amnesty International.
'Discriminatory laws and policies have left many people feeling they have no choice but to risk their lives by performing extremely dangerous surgery on themselves and to seek unsafe hormone drugs on the black market,' Lau said.
Transgender people are 'invisible' in China, Amnesty said. They face entrenched discrimination at home, school, work and in the healthcare system.
There are no anti-discrimination laws protecting LGBTI communities in China.
The government has not released official statistics of the number of trans people in the country, or how many seek treatment.
Ran, one of the gender non-binary trans people interviewed by Amnesty, uses they/them pronouns. Above they are in a T-shirt that reads 'I am a transgender person, can you hug me?'
Ran, one of the gender non-binary trans people interviewed by Amnesty, uses they/them pronouns. Above they are in a T-shirt that reads 'I am a transgender person, can you hug me?'
People take part in the LGBT parade in Hong Kong on November 6, 2015. Transgender people are 'invisible' in China, Amnesty said. They face entrenched discrimination at home, school, work and in the healthcare system
People take part in the LGBT parade in Hong Kong on November 6, 2015. Transgender people are 'invisible' in China, Amnesty said. They face entrenched discrimination at home, school, work and in the healthcare system
However, in 2017 a report stated that more than 1,000 people in the country had undergone gender-affirming surgery and 400,000 people were planning to do so.
Under China's Sex Reassignment Procedural Management Standards 2017, 'transsexual' people face a strict criteria before undergoing gender-affirming surgery.
In addition to familial consent, they must be older than 20, unmarried and have undergone psychological therapy for a year prior. They also have to demonstrate they've been wanting the surgery for five years 'with no history of hesitation.'
Two of the 15 trans people interviewed by Amnesty recalled their trauma after attempting surgery on themselves as a last resort.
Huiming, a transgender woman in her 30s, told researchers that she bought hormone drugs via the online black market while she was still in university.
Xiaomi, a self-described transgender, posing for a portrait in Shanghai in June, 2018. In China, trans people are classified as having a mental illness and gender-affirming surgeries require the consent of families, according to Amnesty
Xiaomi, a self-described transgender, posing for a portrait in Shanghai in June, 2018. In China, trans people are classified as having a mental illness and gender-affirming surgeries require the consent of families, according to Amnesty
Accessing gender-affirming treatments at a hospital was not an option as she feared her family would reject her when she asked for their consent.
In 2016, she took the decision to attempt surgery on herself to get rid of her male genitals.
However, her attempt went wrong and and she was rushed to hospital. She asked the doctor to lie to her parents and say she had an accident.
'I thought I was an abnormal person. How could I explain this to my family? I was both happy and scared. I was scared because I was bleeding so badly, I could die right there.
'I feared I would still die a man, since I only did part of my surgery,' she said.
Huiming eventually travelled to Thailand for a gender-affirming surgery. Before the treatment, she came out as trans to her mother, who has now accepted her.
Other trans people told Amnesty of how they had little choice but to resort to buying hormone medication on social media chat groups, online shops and overseas surrogate shoppers.
Under China's Sex Reassignment Procedural Management Standards 2017, 'transsexual' people face a strict criteria before undergoing gender-affirming surgery (file photo)
Under China's Sex Reassignment Procedural Management Standards 2017, 'transsexual' people face a strict criteria before undergoing gender-affirming surgery (file photo)
Without knowing whether the drugs were genuine, or if they might cause harmful side effects, many experienced different levels of mood swings, with some even plunging into depression, with no medical supervision or access to a doctor to address these conditions.
Shanshan, a 21-year-old transgender female from Beijing, said she stared using hormones because she 'hated her male sex characteristics'.
'I couldn't tell if the drugs were authentic. I think there isn't anything lethal in these drugs … but what better options do I have?' she said.
According to Amnesty, Peking University Third hospital is the only multi-disciplinary clinic in China that specialises in a range of gender-affirming treatments. It only opened in September 2018.
'The authorities and medical profession must stop classifying transgender people as having a mental illness. The highly-restrictive requirements for accessing gender-affirming surgeries and lack of health-related information needs to change so people can access the health care they need,' Lau said.
In March, the Chinese government accepted recommendations by the UN human rights council to legislate to ban discrimination against LGBTI people.
TLDR : A country with 1.6 billion people has decided that their hospital beds can be used for better things than troons chopping their dicks off.
 

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Transgender people in China are driven to buy black market drugs and even attempt surgery on themselves due to widespread discrimination, according to a new report.
No one is forcing them to do that at all you dumb fucks.

in 2017 a report stated that more than 1,000 people in the country had undergone gender-affirming surgery and 400,000 people were planning to do so.
lmao that's only 0.0002% of the population
 

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I don’t have a diamond tiara. I may simply be FORCED to stage a robbery to get one. Forced, I tell you.

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“In addition to familial consent, they must be older than 20, unmarried and have undergone psychological therapy for a year prior. They also have to demonstrate they've been wanting the surgery for five years 'with no history of hesitation.'

This is not draconian. its sensible. You can’t have an elective sterilisation as a woman in the UK without jumping through more hoops than that, even if you’ve already had kids and have medical reasons for not wanting more. A year of therapy, great idea. Over twenty, great idea - should be 25, the brain is not fully matured till then. Familial consent? Well yes, if your wife is now suddenly a lesbian she should probably have some say in that. Parents no, not after 18. Wife/husband absolutely yes.

None of that is draconian. Family consent wouldn’t work here but therapy and age limit, fuck yes. Demonstrating prolonged want? Also yes.
 
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TLDR : A country with 1.6 billion people has decided that their hospital beds can be used for better things than troons chopping their dicks off.
I watched a special on surgery in china. A family had their relative go under for a life saving surgery, and while the surgeons were in there they noticed an additional problem that would require an unexpected intervention that must be done before the original operation could be performed. so they stopped everything they were doing and waited, with this guy opened up on the operating table, while someone from the OR went out to the waiting room to shake down the family for money to pay for the new intervention before they would save this old guys life. The family was fortunately able to pay up. Having elective cosmetic surgery is the fucking least of china's problems.
 

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'China is failing transgender people', rights group Amnesty International says
Trans people forced to turn to unsafe, unregulated gender-affirming treatments
Many risk their lives by buying black market drugs and attempting self-surgery
One trans woman nearly died after trying to remove her male genitals at home
Transgender people in China are driven to buy black market drugs and even attempt surgery on themselves due to widespread discrimination, according to a new report.

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In China, trans people are classified as having a mental illness and gender-affirming surgeries require the consent of families, creating a major barrier in accessing safe treatment, according to human rights group Amnesty International in a report published today.

The prevalence of stigma, an 'alarming' lack of knowledge in the public health system and other restrictive eligibility requirements have driven young transgender men and women to seek unregulated and unsafe alternatives, researchers found.

'China is failing transgender people,' said Doriane Lau, China Researcher at Amnesty International.
'Discriminatory laws and policies have left many people feeling they have no choice but to risk their lives by performing extremely dangerous surgery on themselves and to seek unsafe hormone drugs on the black market,' Lau said.
Transgender people are 'invisible' in China, Amnesty said. They face entrenched discrimination at home, school, work and in the healthcare system.
There are no anti-discrimination laws protecting LGBTI communities in China.
The government has not released official statistics of the number of trans people in the country, or how many seek treatment.

However, in 2017 a report stated that more than 1,000 people in the country had undergone gender-affirming surgery and 400,000 people were planning to do so.
Under China's Sex Reassignment Procedural Management Standards 2017, 'transsexual' people face a strict criteria before undergoing gender-affirming surgery.
In addition to familial consent, they must be older than 20, unmarried and have undergone psychological therapy for a year prior. They also have to demonstrate they've been wanting the surgery for five years 'with no history of hesitation.'
Two of the 15 trans people interviewed by Amnesty recalled their trauma after attempting surgery on themselves as a last resort.
Huiming, a transgender woman in her 30s, told researchers that she bought hormone drugs via the online black market while she was still in university.

Accessing gender-affirming treatments at a hospital was not an option as she feared her family would reject her when she asked for their consent.
In 2016, she took the decision to attempt surgery on herself to get rid of her male genitals.
However, her attempt went wrong and and she was rushed to hospital. She asked the doctor to lie to her parents and say she had an accident.
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'I thought I was an abnormal person. How could I explain this to my family? I was both happy and scared. I was scared because I was bleeding so badly, I could die right there.
'I feared I would still die a man, since I only did part of my surgery,' she said.
Huiming eventually travelled to Thailand for a gender-affirming surgery. Before the treatment, she came out as trans to her mother, who has now accepted her.
Other trans people told Amnesty of how they had little choice but to resort to buying hormone medication on social media chat groups, online shops and overseas surrogate shoppers.

Without knowing whether the drugs were genuine, or if they might cause harmful side effects, many experienced different levels of mood swings, with some even plunging into depression, with no medical supervision or access to a doctor to address these conditions.
Shanshan, a 21-year-old transgender female from Beijing, said she stared using hormones because she 'hated her male sex characteristics'.
'I couldn't tell if the drugs were authentic. I think there isn't anything lethal in these drugs … but what better options do I have?' she said.
According to Amnesty, Peking University Third hospital is the only multi-disciplinary clinic in China that specialises in a range of gender-affirming treatments. It only opened in September 2018.
'The authorities and medical profession must stop classifying transgender people as having a mental illness. The highly-restrictive requirements for accessing gender-affirming surgeries and lack of health-related information needs to change so people can access the health care they need,' Lau said.
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In March, the Chinese government accepted recommendations by the UN human rights council to legislate to ban discrimination against LGBTI people.
 
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In China, trans people are classified as having a mental illness.

Suddenly, China makes total sense to me! I suppose Chinese troons can take a quick flight to Thailand and have whatever they want added/removed by the world's best.
 

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It'll be interesting what the Chinese govt. does when the troon positive media wave starts cresting in their neck of the woods.
 
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