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Flexo

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On the splitting California issue, my guess is they'd try to pull some of the most blatant gerrymandering in history over it. While most states are kind of squares or rectangles with squiggly bits around the edges or whatnot, the split-up California states would look like when a seven-year-old tries to create their first jigsaw puzzle and thinks that making all sorts of long protrusions into the other pieces is clever. They'd try to include one or more massive blue cities in each new state to make sure the suburban/rural plebes didn't get it into their heads that their votes meant anything, even if it meant sending a 100+ mile pseudopod out of one new state and into another.
You do onow the squiggly bits are usually rivers or other natural barriers, right?

But yes, I've also seen a 6 state solution that just so happens to have 1 of California's 6 largest cities in each state. Funny that...
 

Sumdood

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I suspect its just the old "warren is a moronic opportunist who will immediately say and do anything her interns tell her will get her ahead in the polls without thinking about the consequences or how badly it will screw her over down the line" thing rearing its head again.

Im guessing one of the old hillary staffers on her team told her that smearing Bernie as an evil old white male misogynist would immediately tank his campaign and ensure she instantly gets all his supporters on her team forever as the one true progressive candidate, and she went along with this without a second thought despite how obvious it would be for anyone paying attention that this would fall apart within moments of it hitting the news cycle given how she is only now mentioning this sthuper important damning info on Bernie after months of cosying up to him and given how it completely contradicts bernies own record and his open endorsement and support of other female candidates.

Pretty much this. She’s an idiot scrambling for an advantage no matter how transparent it is, counting on her checkmark stans to silence people pointing out the obvious with “Sexist!” bellyaching.
 
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Judge Holden

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You do onow the squiggly bits are usually rivers or other natural barriers, right?

But yes, I've also seen a 6 state solution that just so happens to have 1 of California's 6 largest cities in each state. Funny that...
You've got a six state solution?

I've got a final solution
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Jigglyjogglers

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You do onow the squiggly bits are usually rivers or other natural barriers, right?

Yes, I'm well aware, especially since the last time I made the same offhanded quip about state shapes in a conversation my real life friend who is also Very Full Of Knowledge also instantly felt the need to point this out.

But yes, I've also seen a 6 state solution that just so happens to have 1 of California's 6 largest cities in each state. Funny that...

Wild how it just work out like that, don't it?
 

Harvey Danger

getting tired of this whole internet thing
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CNN: Sanders, did you ever state that you want to murder all black babies?
Sanders: No!
CNN: Warren, what was your response to Sanders saying he wants to murder all black babies?

Wow I expected it to be bad, I didn't expect it to be objectively terrible.

I'd bet my life savings there are some e-mails kicking around with some damn explicit campaign+CNN collusion in them, just like 2016.
 

Based_Papa_John

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There's two major reasons why the Democrats/CNN/etc. want to deny Bernie the nomination, again.

  1. Because Bernie believes what he spouts, he's a threat to the Pelosi neoliberal establishment. Sure, Nancy doesn't mind throwing the occasional sop to the Progs as long as it doesn't cost her or her business backers anything real. But since Bernie actually is running on challenging the current neoliberal arrangement, the DNC can't afford to have him win as it would encourage others like AOC to continue their attempted take over of the party.
  2. If Bernie were at the top of the ticket, he would lose in near-McGovern levels of suck. One, Bernie struggles with black voters, which is an especially precarious position given that Trump has gained among them over the past three years. Second, despite whatever Stephen Colbert has, most Americans are still averse to socialism. Yes, Bernie is technically running on a "social democratic" platform. However, that's not how he presents it. Standing on the debate stage with Trump proudly proclaiming his socialist bona fides will turn off the independents that the Dems are already losing thanks to impeachment. Biden will likely lose too, but not by as wide a margin. They have to strangle the Bernie baby in the cradle before its too late.
 

WinchesterPremium

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There's two major reasons why the Democrats/CNN/etc. want to deny Bernie the nomination, again.

  1. Because Bernie believes what he spouts, he's a threat to the Pelosi neoliberal establishment. Sure, Nancy doesn't mind throwing the occasional sop to the Progs as long as it doesn't cost her or her business backers anything real. But since Bernie actually is running on challenging the current neoliberal arrangement, the DNC can't afford to have him win as it would encourage others like AOC to continue their attempted take over of the party.

Millionaire socialists never believe what they spout. Dude has two homes while complaining about people having multiple homes, underpays staff while complaining about the minimum wage being too low, shouts about how the 1% arn't donating their money to help the medically needy while being in the 1% and not exactly donating massive funds to children's hospitals. He has a good image, he did some activist work when he was younger, but he is totally the far left version of someone who insists homosexuality sends you straight to hell while drilling holes in the men's room stalls. He isn't a threat to any system that he benefits from. At most he'd be a slightly more left Obama in practice.
 

SBG

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I figure many Democrats want to see Bernie lose because they still figure he and/or his supporters are sexist because they disagreed with Hillary and now Warren. Bernie has honestly never completely shaken off that insanely stupid narrative around 'BernieBros', since to do so would require openly disagreeing with a fellow Democrat on a debate stage. It's a problem for the Democrats in general though that any Democrat that openly attacks another ends up doing poorly in the polls, because they start alienating some segment of the fragile construction that is their base, but the only way they can take down one of their opponents is to go on the attack.

Warren's tactic here is probably the most effective as it is just framing her as a victim of Bernie's sexism so he has to go out supporting the idea of a woman like Warren being president and he's too pathetic get into attack mode on the narrative.

When asked about what they said after the debate Sanders reportedly just said "about the weather", because he's so desperate to avoid open confrontation about someone lying about him, so his fans will like that he's not getting into the 'drama' while his detractors think he's being evasive.


Warren would probably do well to keep hitting at this angle since Bernie will sit around as a punching bag while the media talks more about her. What'll be interesting is seeing if she can segue this into a way to attack Biden for some imagined grievances or if she's just wanting to jockey for the VP position with him.
 

April Ryan

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There's two major reasons why the Democrats/CNN/etc. want to deny Bernie the nomination, again.

  1. Because Bernie believes what he spouts, he's a threat to the Pelosi neoliberal establishment. Sure, Nancy doesn't mind throwing the occasional sop to the Progs as long as it doesn't cost her or her business backers anything real. But since Bernie actually is running on challenging the current neoliberal arrangement, the DNC can't afford to have him win as it would encourage others like AOC to continue their attempted take over of the party.
  2. If Bernie were at the top of the ticket, he would lose in near-McGovern levels of suck. One, Bernie struggles with black voters, which is an especially precarious position given that Trump has gained among them over the past three years. Second, despite whatever Stephen Colbert has, most Americans are still averse to socialism. Yes, Bernie is technically running on a "social democratic" platform. However, that's not how he presents it. Standing on the debate stage with Trump proudly proclaiming his socialist bona fides will turn off the independents that the Dems are already losing thanks to impeachment. Biden will likely lose too, but not by as wide a margin. They have to strangle the Bernie baby in the cradle before its too late.
And of course
3. Fear that he might actually somehow win. Not only putting your point 1 into overdrive, but proving all the "bernie-bros" correct, that he would have beaten Trump in 2016 and that the establishment bet on the completely wrong horse last time. That their "living nightmare" is all their fault and that, not only did they sell their souls and not get the reward but doing nothing and not trying to show everyone how much smarter they are was actually the right play.
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

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Millionaire socialists never believe what they spout. Dude has two homes while complaining about people having multiple homes, underpays staff while complaining about the minimum wage being too low, shouts about how the 1% arn't donating their money to help the medically needy while being in the 1% and not exactly donating massive funds to children's hospitals. He has a good image, he did some activist work when he was younger, but he is totally the far left version of someone who insists homosexuality sends you straight to hell while drilling holes in the men's room stalls. He isn't a threat to any system that he benefits from. At most he'd be a slightly more left Obama in practice.
Bernie is probably doing it to get a bigger kick-back when he drops out and bends the knee.
 

PrincessHomura

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I find it hilarious that the democrats don't have any cause to rally behind but "NOT THE OTHER GUY", this tactic has failed so many times that politicians should learn to give a message beyond just Alogging their opponents. Unless Trump has done Hitler-level or very atrocious things objectively then I can get it.

The problem is that they are so far up on their high horses that they can't fathom that us unsightly peasants could consider Trump's actions to not be Hitler-level, despite him being a perfectly normal, if not fine leader.
 

Markorian

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There's two major reasons why the Democrats/CNN/etc. want to deny Bernie the nomination, again.

  1. Because Bernie believes what he spouts, he's a threat to the Pelosi neoliberal establishment. Sure, Nancy doesn't mind throwing the occasional sop to the Progs as long as it doesn't cost her or her business backers anything real. But since Bernie actually is running on challenging the current neoliberal arrangement, the DNC can't afford to have him win as it would encourage others like AOC to continue their attempted take over of the party.
  2. If Bernie were at the top of the ticket, he would lose in near-McGovern levels of suck. One, Bernie struggles with black voters, which is an especially precarious position given that Trump has gained among them over the past three years. Second, despite whatever Stephen Colbert has, most Americans are still averse to socialism. Yes, Bernie is technically running on a "social democratic" platform. However, that's not how he presents it. Standing on the debate stage with Trump proudly proclaiming his socialist bona fides will turn off the independents that the Dems are already losing thanks to impeachment. Biden will likely lose too, but not by as wide a margin. They have to strangle the Bernie baby in the cradle before its too late.
Obviously, Bernie wouldn't have won in 2016, but I like to tell democrats that he would, mainly because it riles them up and divides them.
 

Adamska

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Bernie is probably doing it to get a bigger kick-back when he drops out and bends the knee.
Metokur had a great bit where he showed footage of Bernie announcing his candidacy, and he was spot on. You could actually see his smile as he thinks about the amount of money his fucking paypigs will ship to him when he announced it; he also instantly set up his donations box too.

Man knows how to grift.
 

heyitsmike

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Obviously, Bernie wouldn't have won in 2016, but I like to tell democrats that he would, mainly because it riles them up and divides them.
I love all the hot takes from the Biden wing saying that conservatives are trying to prop up Bernie by saying Warren is lying and the DNC is trying to screw him again. They're all like, 'This means they're really afraid of facing Biden!' I'm over here like, 'Nah, we just want maximum chaos. We'll steamroll anybody y'all got.'

This comment by Kevin McCarthy to stir the pot is just *chef's kiss*.
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