World Trump fires National Security Adviser John Bolton, says they 'disagreed strongly' on policy - Another one goes out through the White House revolving door

pwnest injun

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Bolton was/is a hammer. A hammer that will not be needed until after the 2020 election.

We will not be leaning on the DPRK for a while (going into the final round of meeting/talks relatively soon I assume.), and we sure as hell aren't getting involved militarily with Venezuela or Iran.

Bolton is the Warhawk Supreme. He knows it, DC knows it, and the World knows it. Functionally speaking, Bolton is/was the "bad/evil cop" to Trumps "reasonable cop".

Many non-interventionists will celebrate Trump "resisting NeoCon policies", while functionally there will be no real difference in policy compared to the pre-Bolton era. It will please a fair chunk of the electorate however.

Bolton also make a bunch of reforms to the National Security Council while he was there, and did not make many friends. Trump can go through and say that "oh my, these are not reforms that I wanted to make." And he "fires" Bolton, but then leave those reforms in place.

It is as simple as that.
Bolton was scary enough that I was always worried that he'd go behind the president's back to start a war, like with all of that shaky Iran intel. I guess at the end of the day he didn't have the juice to actually kill US troops to start a war, but God damn am I glad that threat's not hovering anymore.
 

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You mean what's left of them? 80% of those fosils have 5 years left to live tops and the other 20% are pretty much assured to have the same political prominence as they had in the Bush Era
Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw, and Charlie Kirk come to mind as extremely "popular" modern ziocons.

Bolton was scary enough that I was always worried that he'd go behind the president's back to start a war, like with all of that shaky Iran intel. I guess at the end of the day he didn't have the juice to actually kill US troops to start a war, but God damn am I glad that threat's not hovering anymore.
I did like how he probably scared parties we were having talks with int thinking we might just be crazy enough to do it, but I think that was his only value and probably wasn't necessary. You can always appoint some warhawk to whatever delegation to play bad cop. National Security Adviser has a lot bigger role to play than just scary guy in the corner of the room
 
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Good. The less Bushite neocons like Bolton, Romney and McCain there are in the world, the better. Luckily the other side of that coin of the Clintonian neolibs are already past starting to go on their way out as well
I'll reserve judgement until we find out who the replacement is. My bet is it will be another Neocon though.
Trump is such a neocon, though. I guess he's a (the?) Trumpite neocon though, not a Bushite. Either way, that's the part of the Republican party, and a big part, going all the way back to at least Reagan.
 
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Can't wait to see how the MSM spins this as a disaster that hurts the US, weakens us overseas, and proves Trumpf unfit to rule, er, administrate.......

EDIT: WaPo is the first in with the "Trump can't hold on to appointees! He's weak" angle.
 
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pwnest injun

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Not from the USA. wtf is a NeoCon? Is it like pro war or something?

I like the guy's mustache btw.
Privatization and Free Trade globalist economic policies + national unity through patriotism / national myth + military aggression to try and spread liberal democracy worldwide + surveillance and propaganda all the time everywhere. Essentially a neoliberal who doesn't hate the existence of the state.

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[NeoCon] Rah Rah, War! Good guys kill bad guys!
[Neoliberal] War? What war? Someone get this guy out of here.
 

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Privatization and Free Trade globalist economic policies + national unity through patriotism / national myth + military aggression to try and spread liberal democracy worldwide + surveillance and propaganda all the time everywhere. Essentially a neoliberal who doesn't hate the existence of the state.

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[NeoCon] Rah Rah, War! Good guys kill bad guys!
[Neoliberal] War? What war? Someone get this guy out of here.
The Neolib only pretends to hate the existence of the state when they're not the ones in charge of it. Granted, the Neocon does the exact same thing when the shoe's on the other foot, but you didn't see them call for the extermination of the Electoral College when Obama won in 2008 and 2012, did you?
 
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Not from the USA. wtf is a NeoCon? Is it like pro war or something?

I like the guy's mustache btw.
Essentially, neolibs and neocons are liberals and conservatives who fully embraced globalism in the late 90's early 00's and are trying to sell off as much of the US and it's associated economy and assets on the world market for their own profit and influence while responding to citizen complaints about the resulting decline in wages and economic stagnation on the homefront one of two ways:

Neolibs - What? you want to live like they did in the 19th Century or something? Get over it, manufacturing jobs are gone, and no American wants to do menial blue collar work, that's for immigrants, now, either learn to code or die off already, you racists! Still complaining? Fine! He're, have National Troon Day, we're the BEST! We're stunning and brave!

Neocons - How can you worry about jobs at a time like this? There's a WAR going on! And the gays are trying to take over your block! Worry about THAT instead of these trade deals, which are fine, what's good for General Motors is good for YOU! If they want to offshore everything for more profits, well, that's the free market, complaining is just what a COMMIE would do! Still complaining? Fine! Here, have a 4% cut in an arcane inheritance tax, we're the BEST! Jesus says so!
 
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Not from the USA. wtf is a NeoCon? Is it like pro war or something?

I like the guy's mustache btw.
NeoCons got their start in the 50's and 60's when Trotskyite socialists got into bed with the non-isolationist wing of the GOP based on the premise that Democrats/liberals/"the left" in general weren't being hard enough on the Soviet Union (Trots are eternally buttmad that Stalin outmaneuvered their preferred psychopathic murderous dictator and took over after Lenin died) and that there should be direct, unilateral confrontation with the USSR. Prior to this, most conservatives were isolationists (like Goldwater) or at least multilateralists (that is, acting with other allied countries or the UN when intervention was needed) and mostly wanted to oppose communism by either funding opposition groups in the country or engaging in proxy wars with as little direct intervention as possible.

Once the Trots were in bed with them (and after Goldwater's terrible showing in the 64 election that all but collapsed the paleocon wing of the party) it eventually bred a generation of unilateralist warhawk American hegemonists like Bolton who think the US military should storm into every country that is doing anything contrary to our "interests" and force them to adopt policies (or entire regimes) more friendly to the US, no matter how many soldiers, civilians, etc. get thrown into the meat grinder and no matter how long it goes on.

The Afghanistan and Iraq wars are the exact sort of foreign policy espoused by Neocons: mostly unilateral direct, boots-on-the-ground interventionism with no time table for withdrawal.

Neocon domestic policy is mixed, as would be expected from an ideology that only really exists in the space of foreign policy. It's either party-line GOP stuff, moderate positions to the left of the GOP but to the right of the Dems, or sometimes even somewhat left-leaning. They've generally made their peace with Social Security and the Great Society programs of the 60's (and some even want to expand them e.g. Bush's Medicare D program), are generally okay with the rich paying higher taxes in theory, have assorted views on abortion and were only invested in gay marriage as a way to cement a GOP majority so that they can implement their foreign policy and most have retreated to a position of it being "settled law" or being okay with it after the supreme court ruled.

I am not a Trump supporter (though I respect and understand those who are and try not to be a total cunt about my opposing viewpoint) but shitcanning Bolton was a GREAT move by him; Bolton is the architect of Afghanistan and Iraq and was absolutely lobbying to get us involved in Iran, too. He is a cancer that leaves a trail of thousands of dead soldiers and billions of wasted dollars in his wake, and I'm glad he's been cut out, hopefully for good.
 
Bolton was fired on the night of Bashar Assad’s birthday lol
I have a feeling that the Israeli's won't allow Assad to die of old age. Bolton will outlive Assad. There will come a day when a brave Syrian sacrifices everything to end Assad. Anyway, firing Bolton is a wise move for 2020. Most Americans will support this, and Trump gets bonus points if the Democrats try to defend Bolton in any way. Trump needs to replace Bolton with someone who isn't a pussy.
 

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The main shit I've been seeing about this from libs is just using it as yet another reason why ORANGE MAN BAD i.e. he can't hold onto appointees so he's clearly Satan Hitler. Haven't seen any of them white knighting Bolton yet though I won't be surprised if I do.

I'm not a fan of Trump but honestly the less war mongers in charge of shit, the better.
 

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John Bolton’s sudden departure from the Trump administration was inevitable. It had nothing to do with his fabled mustache or even his very real personality clash with the president. It was a matter of principle. Trump wants to write a new chapter, closing the one marked “Militarism and Maximum Pressure” and opening one called “Dealmaking and the Pursuit of the Nobel Peace Prize.” He wants a summit with Iran’s leaders and deals with the Taliban, Kim Jong Un, and Vladimir Putin on arms control. He does not care about most of the details, as long as he gets the credit.
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/597901/

Trump done pulled a Kennedy solving his own missile crisis and getting a medal on yalls ass lol.
 
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