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I registered just to read the fallout of the facebook leak, figured I should post this here because I thought about it's effect potentially on the SSDI receiving internet famous creator of :sonichu:

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/l ... 2937.story

To summarize, Social Security had it's latest yearly report on its solvency released and while retirement benefits are safe for more than a decade, disability is in a definite crises in the short term barring a change in funding/disbursement with the most relevant quote from the article being;

"3. The disabiity (sic) program needs fixing now. Here's where the urgency lies: The disability insurance trust fund is projected to become depleted in 2016, after which the money coming in will cover only 80% of scheduled benefits. That strikes at some of the neediest Social Security beneficiaries and their families. The disability program has long been the most underfunded element of Social Security, and this deadline has been anticipated for years. In the past, similar shortfalls have been closed by reallocating payroll tax revenues and other income from the retirement to disability. That's an appropriate short-term fix, but something more permanent is needed now."

So all this time his parents have been having their portions of their benefits diverted to keep the tugboat coming in for Snyder's medical bills, it turns out in the long run, and three years from now, there's going to need to be a change in the way the tugboat is funded to keep current benefits from being derived yet again from Barb's and those in her age bracket for footing the bill for the next addition to the iDeacase. In three years the electorate will be much more likely to be made up of young latino voters replacing dying older conservative white voters, so the likely-hood of a truly compassionate group of representatives in government doing what's needed to fix the problem without stopping the fully loaded tugboat's monthly trip to the bank account of a :stupid: :tomgirl: isn't out of the question by any means, but then again, we all just saw a Democratic president suggest cutting current benefits in this program in an unprecedented reversal of political party precedent, so who really knows what's going to be in play by the time the can is no longer being kicked down the road?

Do any of you see the tugboat being put into peril or at least the internet lumberjack dependent survivor benefit being cut by this issue and if so, will Christopher still be around to make a whiny internet post about those ]:(P in Washington taking all his good money and leaving none for himself, will any benefit decrease cause the long awaited 'wild tomgirl' saga of homelessness to begin, or will it just mean a few less trips into town for shitty processed dinners warmed up in the gas station microwave before simply (:_( due to only 2000 daily calories intake for this forum's favorite hopeless case?

(On a personal note, it was totally worth the minimal hassle to sign up here just to enjoy the LOL posts by the members here on this May facebook dump. There will be no man-child rages from me about that fact on any social networks regarding the moderators here ala :stupid: and My Little Pony: Lolita Masturbation half hour and Tara Strong.)

ETA: correcting the month that starts with 'M' that the facebook dump occurred in.
 

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I don't see benefits for senior or disabled people going anywhere. It's one of those feel good topics that gets people elected. Also since by the time this rolls around there will be an epic number of seniors around (thanks baby boomers!) and since seniors are the ones who make up the majority of voters there is a good chance ssi will continue to be funded. With that, I think ssdi will be lumped in along in there too.

There might be some cuts as you said but I don't think it will put OPL out on the street. No no, if that happens it will be because of something he did instead. I can, however, see social security not keeping up with inflation as much as it should so he'll have to cut back on his stuff.

Anywho, I'm not into politics hardly at all because I think most politicians are self serving ass clowns so my point of view might be invalid.
 

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Of all of the Federal programs out there, Social Security would be the very last to fall.

1. It's the only thing that's keeping consumer spending going. Without everyone's tugboat, the economy would really take a nosedive.

2. It serves the main purpose that it had served when FDR created it during The Great Depression: to keep the masses from rising up and tossing every rich tycoon onto a pile of burning tires.

3. The Feds need that Social Security money as their own slush fund for various non-Soc. Sec. boondoggles and pork.
 

Holdek

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Very Honest Content said:
I registered just to read the fallout of the facebook leak, figured I should post this here because I thought about it's effect potentially on the SSDI receiving internet famous creator of :sonichu:

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/l ... 2937.story

To summarize, Social Security had it's latest yearly report on its solvency released and while retirement benefits are safe for more than a decade, disability is in a definite crises in the short term barring a change in funding/disbursement with the most relevant quote from the article being;

"3. The disabiity (sic) program needs fixing now. Here's where the urgency lies: The disability insurance trust fund is projected to become depleted in 2016, after which the money coming in will cover only 80% of scheduled benefits. That strikes at some of the neediest Social Security beneficiaries and their families. The disability program has long been the most underfunded element of Social Security, and this deadline has been anticipated for years. In the past, similar shortfalls have been closed by reallocating payroll tax revenues and other income from the retirement to disability. That's an appropriate short-term fix, but something more permanent is needed now."

So all this time his parents have been having their portions of their benefits diverted to keep the tugboat coming in for Snyder's medical bills, it turns out in the long run, and three years from now, there's going to need to be a change in the way the tugboat is funded to keep current benefits from being derived yet again from Barb's and those in her age bracket for footing the bill for the next addition to the iDeacase. In three years the electorate will be much more likely to be made up of young latino voters replacing dying older conservative white voters, so the likely-hood of a truly compassionate group of representatives in government doing what's needed to fix the problem without stopping the fully loaded tugboat's monthly trip to the bank account of a :stupid: :tomgirl: isn't out of the question by any means, but then again, we all just saw a Democratic president suggest cutting current benefits in this program in an unprecedented reversal of political party precedent, so who really knows what's going to be in play by the time the can is no longer being kicked down the road?

Do any of you see the tugboat being put into peril or at least the internet lumberjack dependent survivor benefit being cut by this issue and if so, will Christopher still be around to make a whiny internet post about those ]:(P in Washington taking all his good money and leaving none for himself, will any benefit decrease cause the long awaited 'wild tomgirl' saga of homelessness to begin, or will it just mean a few less trips into town for shitty processed dinners warmed up in the gas station microwave before simply (:_( due to only 2000 daily calories intake for this forum's favorite hopeless case?

This is a serious issue. The timescale is very short of SSDI going belly-up and with more boomers retiring, diverting old age SSI isn't going to be politically plausible. The disabled don't have advocates as strong as AARP, and they are not as numerous nor as reliable of voters (many can't vote at all) as seniors.

And increasing payroll taxes to make up for the shortfall? In today's political climate?

I predict these benefits will be cut significantly.

As for how this effect Chris, I don't know. In the short term it will probably mean having to be judicious when buying [cwc]vidya[/cwc]. In the long-term, after Barb dies and he inherits the house, he won't have to pay rent to anyone anymore so it will probably be back to business as usual. :medallion:

(On a personal note, it was totally worth the minimal hassle to sign up here just to enjoy the LOL posts by the members here on this May facebook dump. There will be no man-child rages from me about that fact on any social networks regarding the moderators here ala :stupid: and My Little Pony: Lolita Masturbation half hour and Tara Strong.)

ETA: correcting the month that starts with 'M' that the facebook dump occurred in.

I have no idea what this means.
 

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"after Barb dies and he inherits the house, he won't have to pay rent to anyone anymore so it will probably be back to business as usual"

No. Not only would he be 100 percent on his own regarding all the bills, he would also be responsible for the property taxes.
 

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The tugboat isn't going anywhere. The real question is how Chris will spend it on PSN downloads when the power gets shut off?
 

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Crazy Pacer said:
The tugboat isn't going anywhere. The real question is how Chris will spend it on PSN downloads when the power gets shut off?
Bringing his tv and PS3 into McDonald's, of course.
 

Aristocrat

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Holdek said:
This is a serious issue. The timescale is very short of SSDI going belly-up and with more boomers retiring, diverting old age SSI isn't going to be politically plausible. The disabled don't have advocates as strong as AARP, and they are not as numerous nor as reliable of voters (many can't vote at all) as seniors.

Don't :briefs: just yet! There is NO WAY IN HELL that the US Government is going to let Social Security or SSDI fail! Most of this "crisis" is just bullshit propaganda created by The Very Serious People in the Washington punditocracy who are whipping up their hysteria so that they can slash it. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy if you let these ghouls get their mitts on Social Security.

The very idea of Uncle Sam cutting loose millions of disabled people to fend for themselves (and likely die without funding for medical treatments that keep them alive) would be a PR disaster for all of DC, republicans and Democrats alike.

And you know what? Compared to what kind of Social Security people in other countries get, Americans are royally getting screwed because their payments are pathetic compared to the rest of the industrial world's. If anything, people on Social Security should be getting MORE in their checks, not less.

Sooner or later, the cap on income will have to be raised. It was a "starve the beast" scheme cooked up by Reagan, and it needs to go.

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but then again, we all just saw a Democratic president suggest cutting current benefits in this program in an unprecedented reversal of political party precedent

Dude, Obama is THE Troll God Emperor. Both of his terms up to now have been him trolling the shit out of the gop (making them even vote against their own bills). He only mentioned the idea of Social Security COLA was because he knew that the gop would never agree with him on anything no matter what, so now Obama can say that the republicans are the party responsible for our nation's mess, because they refuse to cooperate.

It's a BHO trolling saga that's been ongoing since 2009, and the gop has been proverbially shoving their Sonichu medallions up their collective arses ever since.
 

Holdek

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CalmMyTits said:
"after Barb dies and he inherits the house, he won't have to pay rent to anyone anymore so it will probably be back to business as usual"

No. Not only would he be 100 percent on his own regarding all the bills, he would also be responsible for the property taxes.

Right. But that would presumably be less, or I guess about the same, than the rent he is paying now.

Aristocrat said:
Holdek said:
This is a serious issue. The timescale is very short of SSDI going belly-up and with more boomers retiring, diverting old age SSI isn't going to be politically plausible. The disabled don't have advocates as strong as AARP, and they are not as numerous nor as reliable of voters (many can't vote at all) as seniors.

Don't :briefs: just yet! There is NO WAY IN HELL that the US Government is going to let Social Security or SSDI fail! Most of this "crisis" is just bullshit propaganda created by The Very Serious People in the Washington punditocracy who are whipping up their hysteria so that they can slash it. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy if you let these ghouls get their mitts on Social Security.

The very idea of Uncle Sam cutting loose millions of disabled people to fend for themselves (and likely die without funding for medical treatments that keep them alive) would be a PR disaster for all of DC, republicans and Democrats alike.

Why? That would be nice, but people have died by the thousands in this country because they couldn't afford healthcare and politicians didn't solve the problem for decades. ObamaCare barely made it through Congress. It was barely approved by the Supreme Court, and even there it was stripped down, so hell, it's still not solved.
 

Aristocrat

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Holdek said:
Why? That would be nice, but people have died by the thousands in this country because they couldn't afford healthcare and politicians didn't solve the problem for decades. ObamaCare barely made it through Congress. It was barely approved by the Supreme Court, and even there it was stripped down, so hell, it's still not solved.

That's like saying "Hey, kids get raped all the time. I may as well rape a few myself."

If there are people who have been legally declared eligible for Disability, you can't kick them off "just because". Hell, there's an army of Disability lawyers who would sue the living shit out of the Govt. if they tried that.

Just because some people died without coverage doesn't mean EVERYONE has to die without coverage.
 

Holdek

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Aristocrat said:
Holdek said:
Why? That would be nice, but people have died by the thousands in this country because they couldn't afford healthcare and politicians didn't solve the problem for decades. ObamaCare barely made it through Congress. It was barely approved by the Supreme Court, and even there it was stripped down, so hell, it's still not solved.

That's like saying "Hey, kids get raped all the time. I may as well rape a few myself."

If there are people who have been legally declared eligible for Disability, you can't kick them off "just because". Hell, there's an army of Disability lawyers who would sue the living shit out of the Govt. if they tried that.

Just because some people died without coverage doesn't mean EVERYONE has to die without coverage.

Uh, no.

The government can reduce benefits whenever it wants. Hell, during government shutdowns there's always the risk that they will eventually even stop printing SS checks.

You could sue the government, but I don't know what your claim would be.
 

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Holdek said:
The government can reduce benefits whenever it wants.

Yes, they can, but they won't. Not if they want to win in the next election anyway. Obama's getting the same kind of backlash over COLA that Bush II got when he wanted to privatize the system in 2005.

You just don't.fuck.with.Social Security! Only Randian zealots like Paul Ryan actually call for it.
 

Holdek

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Aristocrat said:
Holdek said:
The government can reduce benefits whenever it wants.

Yes, they can, but they won't. Not if they want to win in the next election anyway. Obama's getting the same kind of backlash over COLA that Bush II got when he wanted to privatize the system in 2005.

You just don't.fuck.with.Social Security! Only Randian zealots like Paul Ryan actually call for it.

What I'm saying is, the political price for fucking with Social Security for the disabled is different than that for fucking with SS for the elderly.

It's not morally right, but still.

Hopefully a fix for it will be worked into a larger bill before 2016.
 

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I have faith that President Palin will be able to fix Obongo's mess in 2016.
 

Holdek

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Crazy Pacer said:
I have faith that President Palin will be able to fix Obongo's mess in 2016.

Yeah if the LAMEstream media doesn't hoodwink us with all its falsities again! ::slurp::
 

Aristocrat

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Holdek said:
What I'm saying is, the political price for fucking with Social Security for the disabled is different than that for fucking with SS for the elderly.

It's not morally right, but still.

Hopefully a fix for it will be worked into a larger bill before 2016.

Actually, it would be a PR disaster for DC as I mentioned. Anyone voting for such an atrocity not only should forget running for reelection next time, but they should buy a new identity and GTFO out of the country before the mobs show up.

Welfare reform got through because people saw recipients as niggo welfare queens popping out brats. It was easy to paint them that way.

Social Security would be a much harder sell because it's not so easy to demonize recipients. Paul Ryan already has the stigma of being a "granny starver".

And taking away Disability from the disabled? Oh Helz no! Even Randians tread lightly on that subject lest they be accused of trying to kill the crippled and blind.

And there already is a bill being debated about NOT cutting Social Security, but actually increasing the amount ( http://www.harkin.senate.gov/press/release.cfm?i=341035 ) with a more realistic COLA plan, because Grannies spend a lot more on medical bills than iPads.
 

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Aristocrat said:
And you know what? Compared to what kind of Social Security people in other countries get, Americans are royally getting screwed because their payments are pathetic compared to the rest of the industrial world's. If anything, people on Social Security should be getting MORE in their checks, not less.

Absolutely this. Here in Australia, the government is planning a one-time freeze on disability increases to help pay for for the National Disability Insurance Scheme (alongside the Medicare levy increase), yet I STILL get twice what Chris did before Bob died.

Honestly, I'm perfectly happy to take that hit if it means the money is going to help severely disabled people get the additional care they need.
 

Holdek

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Aristocrat said:
Holdek said:
What I'm saying is, the political price for fucking with Social Security for the disabled is different than that for fucking with SS for the elderly.

It's not morally right, but still.

Hopefully a fix for it will be worked into a larger bill before 2016.

Actually, it would be a PR disaster for DC as I mentioned. Anyone voting for such an atrocity not only should forget running for reelection next time, but they should buy a new identity and GTFO out of the country before the mobs show up.

Welfare reform got through because people saw recipients as niggo welfare queens popping out brats. It was easy to paint them that way.

Social Security would be a much harder sell because it's not so easy to demonize recipients. Paul Ryan already has the stigma of being a "granny starver".

And taking away Disability from the disabled? Oh Helz no! Even Randians tread lightly on that subject lest they be accused of trying to kill the crippled and blind.

Yeah, I know you would like to believe that, but trust me, if you don't have a big and powerful lobby, or a massive voter base, the government does not care about you. Politicians already howl at having to provide benefits for the disabled, and would cut them the moment they could. Moral indignation will not prevent the reduction of benefits of SSDI, at least to the point where the politicians who would advocate such a thing would lose their gerrymandered seats. This part of SS isn't a third rail. And often, the very same people who depend on such safety nets are the ones that vote for tea party types for cultural and social reasons
 

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Holdek said:
And often, the very same people who depend on such safety nets are the ones that vote for tea party types for cultural and social reasons


I love voting against my own interests! Tea Party 2016 gonna abolish public education cause readin' makes you LIBERAL!

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