Ah, okay, that makes sense. Those are definitely not being detagged. It's only the stuff in text blocks.
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Ah, okay, that makes sense. Those are definitely not being detagged. It's only the stuff in text blocks.
I remember seeing a Mastodon instance that specifically appeals to the tumblrina/anti crowd. These kinds of people are the type to turn on a dime and I wouldn't doubt that they'd start eating each other alive and have that instance be short lived or full of drama.
It's a hit or miss. On one hand I'm going to find some moderate amusement watching people be stupid on twitter or wherever else these Tumblr users go to, but on the other, I preferred when they were mostly kept in one place. It's not that the rest of the internet isn't ready for them, it's that they aren't ready for the rest of the internet.
It's a hit or miss. On one hand I'm going to find some moderate amusement watching people be stupid on twitter or wherever else these Tumblr users go to, but on the other, I preferred when they were mostly kept in one place. It's not that the rest of the internet isn't ready for them, it's that they aren't ready for the rest of the internet.
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So, bets on how many of these deeply oppressed and maligned tumblirinas will actually abandon the website this time? Feels like they keep coming back like a battered spouse.
One Man Bland
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So I can’t find the link at the moment, but I’ve been seeing users report that porn bots are allegedly hacking people’s accounts and changing it so that external links to their twitter and patreon and the like all redirect to porn.
Anyone know anything about this?
Anyone know anything about this?
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TenaflyViper
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...I think a few of you here are a bit confused, and maybe basing your impression of tumblr as a whole only on what is posted here (which is understandable. It's the loud, batshit insane fuckers that people are going to pay attention to--not the folks quietly minding their own business). SJW types typically HATE porn (or at least anything that isn't drawn cartoon lesbians). We're talking about a bunch of socially-awkward shut-ins. They hate real human sexuality, because it reminds them that they'll never experience it. They're also the ones that complain about the amount of porn in fandoms, try to police tags, and often harass NSFW artists. If anything, they're likely celebrating that the "nasties" are "being chased out". They've got no reason to leave.
It's the normal people that are willing to see the further harmful ramifications of the staff's decision that are concerned, and even so, that concern is on principle. In terms of what has actually occurred, really nothing has changed, or stopped people from posting what they want while mercilessly mocking the staff.
One Man Bland
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. While there is a sub-section of people who were clearly in favor of the porn ban, it's mostly been relegated to a subsection of sex-repulsed asexuals (an already niche group even within Tumblr niches) and even they seem to realize coming out in favor of the ban would be social suicide and instead give wishy-washy statements like "the ban is bad and all but I won't be leaving since it doesn't personally effect me" and the blogging/reblogging a bunch of passive-aggressive "Not everything has to be about SEX people" soon after.
The general consensus I've found with Tumblrinas/SJWs is that the ban is bad because "muh queer erasure": to them it's sexist and transphobic because the policy only singles out female nipples, it's sexist and homophobic because the majority of porn is made by women and is shipping-related and therefore gay, it's sexist and homophobic because Tunblr's AI isn't sophisticated enough to actually recognize the examples that are supposed to be permitted as such and thus flags posts about sex education and women's health, it's racist & anti-semitic because nude art references & classic paintings have been getting flagged and hidden but the legit "kill all Jews" white nationalist Nazi blogs have been left completely untouched, and I even saw one person claiming the porn ban was "synonymous with rape" because Tumblr was taking away users' ability to consent to see porn and making the choice for them.
The only real hostility I've seen towards porn in this regard has been towards the porn bots - which seems to be the one thing Tumblr can agree on for several reasons from hating the main porn industry to hating the viruses such bots are riddled with.
And I'd also have to disagree that the concerns raised about Tumblr's new policy are only being made on principle. Between the porn bots getting smarter and more aggressive in their methods with the massive wave of them hacking user accounts recently, and regular artists finding entire posts were blocked because "somewhere in the 100,000 reblogs MIGHT have included adult content" has already been causing problems for a lot of frustration with the staff seemingly making no efforts to resolve the matter. Not only that, but while the artists might not post any adult content themselves, a lot of them follow accounts revolving around art references - which include nudes - and a lot of those have been negatively affected by this. Hell, I'm already seeing reports that figure drawing and medical references have taken a pretty hard hit where they're technically still visible, but all their content except for text post updates and the like has been gutted. Not to mention some people who went through the repeal process and still got false-flagged has pissed off the webcomic artists where random pages got false-flagged, got false-flagged again during the repeal process because Tumblr's AI is useless, and now readers playing catch-up are missing chunks of the comic.
While I don't think any of this will lead to a mass exodus all at once - especially since the main user-base for Tumblr tends to be reactionaries & reposters rather than actual content creators - you can already see frustration brewing among the remaining artists with the shoddy AI, the skyrocketing activity from porn bots, and Tumblr staff seemingly still patting themselves on the ass for getting back on the App Store while being woefully unprepared for all the other consequences this new policy had. Most artists already post their content on several different sites, and while some might not be ideal because they're not made for art (though frankly neither was Tumblr) they're likely proving to be less frustrating than Tumblr, and they aren't gonna wait 6 months for Tumblr to get its shit together. And with how Tumblr has been hemorrhaging users as early as October, they really couldn't afford to lose users over this.
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LiveJournal and digg didn't just instantly die when stupid policies enraged their userbase, either. They just stopped getting new users and never stopped bleeding old users, and are now nearly forgotten and irrelevant. tumblr is going to join them in the trash heap whether sooner or later.
One Man Bland
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I definitely see this going the way of LiveJournal where users (particularly the big names in fandoms) will try to stick it out for awhile because they’ve got an extensive post history and don’t want to risk losing followers, they’ll become frustrated with the new encumbrance caused by Tumblr’s policies and start cross-posting to other venues just to have a site where their stuff can be seen, those other venues - while not an exact replacement - will at least prove to be less of a hassle, over time they’ll either accumulate more followers elsewhere or find more people they follow on new platforms and eventually leave Tumblr behind, then years later remember they once had a Tumblr, find it’s still there and really embarrassing in hindsight, and quietly delete it.
TenaflyViper
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Excellent points, all of it. Forgot about the "erasure" and "misogyny" angles. The "anti-shipping" community on tumblr seems to view it as a win for them, though (although I'm with them when it comes to all the "MAP" tags being wiped. Pedos don't deserve "safe spaces" to talk about violating children).
At least it will be interesting to see what happens next. I kind of hope shit decisions like this start knocking sense into people about censorship. Then again, we went through a lot of this kind of shit in the 80's and 90's, and we saw this happen before to places like Livejournal. I'm not going to keep my hopes up.
Honestly, I think part of the issue is that people are setting their kids loose on the internet earlier and earlier, and they're ill-prepared for how the internet is, because their dumbass parents don't bother talking to them about the internet, nor setting parental controls. So then, you also end up with shit like what's been happening with Tilk Tok. Like...stop fucking making platforms that allow both kids and adults--it's not that fucking difficult.
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Wait what's been happening with tik tok? I know it's basically pedobait with how young kids are getting smartphones, but is there more?
They'll just move to otherwise innocent tags, and tumblr being as stupid as it is will just wipe those, too. Just like "sfw" soon will be nothing but porn.
One Man Bland
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I'm again going to have to disagree since, unless there's some part of the anti community that I'm missing, for the most part they aren't happy about this either or are doing the "oh yes it's totally bad for queer artists and all, but I don't post any content like that so it doesn't effect me" thing I mentioned. The closest I saw to what you're describing was in the beginning with the MAP purge when some people thought it was caused by "fandom discourse" and a few people treating the Dec. 17th announcement less like a true win and more like a consolation prize like "well... at least those awful problematic shippers might get booted, I guess..."
And even that's proven to be untrue. Even the most problematic ships are still up and running with their ship tags untouched, so I don't see why any antis would be celebrating. Hell, it seems like the only reason they were initially hidden was because previous Tumblr posting etiquette dictated that problematic shippers and the super depraved hardcore porn include warning tags so people could blacklist it. Which they're evidently foregoing in light of the new policy content changes, considering one of the first results I got when checking the a problematic ship tag was what looks to be an explicit rape scene with some Oedipus overtones.
If anything, this is probably going to lead to a revival of a bunch of previous fandom ship wars where on the one side you'll have people going "Bitch why aren't you tagging your gross porn" and the other end going "Bitch all the other tags get me flagged"
The fact that there's communities about "shipping" says a lot about the world.
TenaflyViper
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That's basically what I saw, and yeah--that was in the beginning. Kinda relieved now to know that's changed.
As for shipping, I have heard that some ship tags now come up empty, though, which baffles me. I checked one of the tags mentioned by someone I follow, and yeah---totally empty. Doesn't make any sense why they would target a term that clearly doesn't exist outside of being a mashup ship name. And I really doubt there was anything in there beyond bad anime-style drawings made by 14 year-old girls.
EDIT: It's a youtuber ship that I unfortunately know of because I couldn't browse the "H2O Delirious" tag without running into it (I don't get it--NO ONE EVEN KNOWS WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU SHIPPING HIM???). Out of curiosity that maybe they're just purging youtuber-related tags due to them being real people, I looked up the "septiplier" tag, and that's still got content. Weird.
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One Man Bland
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From what I understand, Tumblr’s programming is so bad that random tags would turn up empty even prior to the update/policy change, and the issue has only gotten worse with the new filter. The reason “chronic pain” got blocked, for instance, is because it can be abbreviated to “cp” so even typing out the full words caused the bot to group it in with all the other cheese pizza.
Granted, I have chronic pain, so I'm biased, but I've NEVER heard of it ever being abbreviated to cp, and I'm extremely dubious about it's relations to pizza or anything else. Unless the pizza's stuck to your face or something.
One Man Bland
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That’s where Tumblr’s shit programming comes in: the chronic pain tag wasn’t being abbreviated. The ai saw a tag that had words that started with c & p, treated it as though the phrase was being abbreviated, and therefore assumed it was kiddy porn and blocked the whole tag.
And here I thought this bot couldn't have been more badly-programmed. Jesus.
Fortunately for Tik Tok, The Budday is a moron.
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