U.S. Riots of April 2021 over Derek Chauvin & Riot Watch General -

[Menotaur]

You're unable to parse basic questions, and you think you can communicate.

The implicit lust for Floyd's cock in all of your posts doesn't make you a good communicator, especially if it's not on purpose.

It isn't about Floyd, I think personally he was a fucked up human being that I'd never associate with. He was human garbage from all accounts that seem to be accurate, a shit father and a criminal.

But he is a citizen and a fellow countryman, and he had rights. There are plenty of whites hard done too because they are white trash, but again, they have fucking rights and that is fucking that.

I'm no hero of the black man and I don't like white trash either. I know both types because I work with them and we find a means to an end to get along despite our differences. But law is law and if we don't make it the gold standard then we have unjust systems and a society. In fact, you've got no society pretty quickly.

I hate Trump too but like fuck I'd ever support his illegal incarceration or bogus charges being bought against him. We have to have a standard whether we like the people or not, regardless of their character.

Floyd was an American who had rights and they were violated by a countryman charged with trust and a duty of care. That is all. Don't care for him at all - or his cock.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

One of the autopsies reported after Floyd's death that he injected Fentanyl or something similar right before Chauvin encountered him. Given his prior drug habits and addict girlfriend, it's plausible to conclude that he died through his own devices. I would like to argue that the knee exacerbated those fatal side effects. Manslaughter and five years would've been a fairer verdict than whatever that jury agreed to that day.

There were chewed up pills with Floyd's DNA in the back of the squad car.

He was on a one-way ride before Chauvin got there.

 

[Techpriest]

There were chewed up pills with Floyd's DNA in the back of the squad car.

He was on a one-way ride before Chauvin got there.

If you shoot someone who’s already going to die anyway, it’s still murder.

 

[aussiejinjo]

was it even an 'overdose'

conservatives love parroting that line (same with the gun on the 'pregnant' woman line) but is there any basis for it

pretty sure the defense was arguing his heart imploded from a bunch of factors, fentanyl being one of them, but it wasn't specifically an OD

 

[The Last Stand]

But he is a citizen and a fellow countryman, and he had rights. There are plenty of whites hard done too because they are white trash, but again, they have fucking rights and that is fucking that.

So do a lot of other Americans during that turbulent time period. The right to peacefully protest and assemble has been violated thanks to rioting, COVID restrictions and government tyranny. The right to self defense went out the window when people were either forced to react in kind and get arrested or get their ass kicked with no recourse.

Hell, I'll go one step further. What about Second Amendment rights in urban cities? Many Black American citizens cannot exercise their right in many cities because of rigorous, anti-gun laws that do more harm than good for average citizens.

The basic right of "innocent until proven guilty" has flipped to "guilty until proven innocent" thanks to hypersensitive Woke culture that has infected American society.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It isn't about Floyd, I think personally he was a fucked up human being that I'd never associate with. He was human garbage from all accounts that seem to be accurate, a shit father and a criminal.

But he is a citizen and a fellow countryman, and he had rights. There are plenty of whites hard done too because they are white trash, but again, they have fucking rights and that is fucking that.

Cool, now do Chauvin. That's the snag here- Chauvin is also a citizen who also has rights, at least in theory. Most relevant of these is the right to a fair trial, which presumably excludes a judge who endorses what is, by his own account, mistrial-worthy behavior by the prosecution or a jury with proverbial guns to their heads. Then there's the contextual factors, like the fact that there's been no such ginned-up outcry to punish Tony Timpa's killers, and the identity of the officer who killed Ashli Babbet is still being protected, never mind prosecuting the man. To view this as anything other than a politically motivated railroading requires first disbelieving your lying eyes.

 

[Gestalt Writhe]

The aggravating considerations pushed by the prosecution were obscene:

Doing your job: Abuse of position
Doing your job: Cruelty
Doing your job with other people also doing their job: Gang shit
Doing your job in a public place, protecting bystanders which may include minors: Crimes in front of kiddos

 

[Standardized Profile]

was it even an 'overdose'

conservatives love parroting that line (same with the gun on the 'pregnant' woman line) but is there any basis for it

pretty sure the defense was arguing his heart imploded from a bunch of factors, fentanyl being one of them, but it wasn't specifically an OD

Most people don't know (or particularly care) about the various methods by which illegal drugs kill their aficionados or the precise nomenclature for these methods. I understand the need for specificity, but most of us don't encounter these risks in our daily lives so one drug death looks much like any other. Whether Floyd suffered an overdose, or the unfortunate side-effect of a "correct" dosage,* or chronic abuse changed his heart so it 'sploded under the stress of being arrested, it seems he mostly killed himself.

* I suppose the correct dosage of an illegal drug is 0, so any amount is an overdose. For the sake of argument I will accept the idea that a correct recreational dosage of fentanyl exists.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

I was expecting a death sentence tbh.

 

[Menotaur]

So do a lot of other Americans during that turbulent time period. The right to peacefully protest and assemble has been violated thanks to rioting, COVID restrictions and government tyranny. The right to self defense went out the window when people were either forced to react in kind and get arrested or get their ass kicked with no recourse.

Hell, I'll go one step further. What about Second Amendment rights in urban cities? Many Black American citizens cannot exercise their right in many cities because of rigorous, anti-gun laws that do more harm than good for average citizens.

The basic right of "innocent until proven guilty" has flipped to "guilty until proven innocent" thanks to hypersensitive Woke culture that has infected American society.

You may have a point, but this is about Derek and his actions.

 

[aussiejinjo]

idgi how chauvin could evince particular cruelty and simultaneously be convincted of manslaughter at the same time

???

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

idgi how chauvin could evince particular cruelty and simultaneously be convincted of manslaughter at the same time

???

White privilege works in mysterious ways.

 

[Menotaur]

Cool, now do Chauvin. That's the snag here- Chauvin is also a citizen who also has rights, at least in theory. Most relevant of these is the right to a fair trial, which presumably excludes a judge who endorses what is, by his own account, mistrial-worthy behavior by the prosecution or a jury with proverbial guns to their heads. Then there's the contextual factors, like the fact that there's been no such ginned-up outcry to punish Tony Timpa's killers, and the identity of the officer who killed Ashli Babbet is still being protected, never mind prosecuting the man. To view this as anything other than a politically motivated railroading requires first disbelieving your lying eyes.

Derek exercised his rights and his defense and it failed. He was never denied anything and got his shot.

The body of evidence provided a guilty verdict. Not out of fear or because we needed a guilty verdict. That's what you'd like to believe, in fact you believed it before the trial even started. Didn't you?

He was found guilty because the evidence showed this. We will see people pulling this or that out on this thread about drugs and circumstance - no doubt - but a jury was convened and convicted him.

You can view it however you want, but alas your support or non-support of either party makes no fucking difference in a court where all that shit is washed away and one only gets to view evidence.

Derek still has rights, and if there is a valid reason why the conviction should be thrown out then so be it.

Arguing the injustice of one case doesn't make for a convincing argument for another case. So just as you can cry about others who have gotten away with it or not, so can the BLM movement scream and cry about the unjust sentence on Derek which actually exceeded guidelines and was by any legal definition a harsh and stiff sentence.

Really, after reviewing the videos - regardless of Floyd's drugs or whatever, to question what was Derek's intent is to be so fucking blind you'd have to be an idiot to think he didn't intend to harm Floyd. It is so god damn obvious he sought to harm Floyd. His wish was to cause harm to Floyd, and he did, and under his oath and duty as an officer he got what was due. If a Doctor started pumping drugs into your body to harm you and had no idea you were allergic to one of the drugs and you argued his actions were akin to second degree murder you'd be right. Whereas a doctor who pumped the drugs to help you and was unaware of the consequence might walk free.

I think any defense of Derek really comes down to intent; and I think we can all argue what we think his intent was and the reason why a jury was produced was because evidence suggested his intent. A Jury agreed. A judge not only agreed but handed down a harsh sentence under the guidelines.

What was Derek's intent with Floyd? If the answer is to harm him, then he is guilty of causing his death through his actions. If you want to argue he had no such intention, I would beg to suggest the evidence shows otherwise.

So really, can it with the "He chewed this or that" horseshit and instead go to a bathroom and sit there for 9 minutes with a bowling ball against your neck and try and convince yourself you aren't intending to hurt yourself.

 

[Neil]

Covering up Floyd's death stating it was a drug overdose in the report whilst completely omitting the fact that you had your knee on his neck for 10 minutes: Abuse of position
Shoving your knee down on a handcuffed, pinned down man's neck for 10 minutes: Cruelty
Your fellow officers not stopping you or giving aid to the suffocating suspect and also omitting the fact that you pinned a man by the neck for 10 minutes past the point where the paramedics couldn't even find a pulse: Gang shit
Strangling a man to death with your knee in front of a crowd that included schoolchildren: Crimes in front of kiddos

ftfy

 

[Wooz]

was it even an 'overdose'

conservatives love parroting that line (same with the gun on the 'pregnant' woman line) but is there any basis for it

pretty sure the defense was arguing his heart imploded from a bunch of factors, fentanyl being one of them, but it wasn't specifically an OD

What was wrong with the "gun on pregnant woman" line exactly?

 

[AnOminous]

What was wrong with the "gun on pregnant woman" line exactly?

We don't know she was actually pregnant. It was just inferred from the fact the report said he held a gun to her belly.

 

[Wooz]

We don't know she was actually pregnant. It was just inferred from the fact the report said he held a gun to her belly.

Ah, I see. It's still a funny meme regardless (when dunking on St. Floyd, not the act itself obviously), but part of the magic is taken away now

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Derek exercised his rights and his defense and it failed. He was never denied anything and got his shot.

Except the mistrial that should have been granted after repeated prosecutorial misconduct and politicians attempts to influence the jury, but hey, details, right?

He was found guilty because the evidence showed this. We will see people pulling this or that out on this thread about drugs and circumstance - no doubt - but a jury was convened and convicted him.

You can view it however you want, but alas your support or non-support of either party makes no fucking difference in a court where all that shit is washed away and one only gets to view evidence.

No functioning adult is this naive in general, and in this particular case, this sentiment crosses the line into legitimately retarded.
-The change of venue was denied, so jurors were drawn from a pool of people who were at ground zero of months of riots stemming from this exact case.
-The jury was not sequestered, do they were aware of things like the NYT's attempts to dox them, the pig's head left on the porch of the defense witness, and Maxine Waters' call for violence if they reached the "wrong" verdict. The idea that they saw "nothing but the evidence" is trivially untrue.
-As for the judge, I alluded to Iona Nikitchenko earlier in the thread for a reason.

Derek still has rights, and if there is a valid reason why the conviction should be thrown out then so be it.

People have been spelling out those reasons with alphabet blocks all throughout this thread, but that apparently has no effect on "there was a trial so it was fair by definition" magical thinking.

Really, after reviewing the videos - regardless of Floyd's drugs or whatever, to question what was Derek's intent is to be so fucking blind you'd have to be an idiot to think he didn't intend to harm Floyd. It is so god damn obvious he sought to harm Floyd. His wish was to cause harm to Floyd, and he did, and under his oath and duty as an officer he got what was due.

This is "obvious" to anyone without domain knowledge. To everyone else, this is UVA Rape Hoax levels of bullshit. Due to the way that the rib cage, neck, skull, windpipe, relevant arteries etc are configured, getting the back of your neck knelt on while prone is not life-threatening, not even if it's MovieBob doing it. The "muh eight minutes" bleat shows how pig-ignorant many people are about these things: if your blood or oxygen are actually cut off, unconsciousness and death don't take nearly that long. Note also how two autopsies, both of which were under severe political pressure to get the "right" answer, could not establish a causal link between Chauvin's actions and Floyd's death. Hell, the coroner himself said that under any other circumstance, he would have called it an open-and-shut overdose.

I think any defense of Derek really comes down to intent; and I think we can all
What was Derek's intent with Floyd? If the answer is to harm him, then he is guilty of causing his death through his actions. If you want to argue he had no such intention, I would beg to suggest the evidence shows otherwise.

So really, can it with the "He chewed this or that" horseshit and instead go to a bathroom and sit there for 9 minutes with a bowling ball against your neck and try and convince yourself you aren't intending to hurt yourself.

Credit where it's due, this is a nice bit of rhetorical sleight of hand. You say that a neck restraint hurts (true) and then use the ambiguous definition of "hurt" to claim that by applying it, Chauvin intended to "hurt" Floyd. Of course, this obfuscates the difference between necessary and unnecessary harm, and taken at face value, flies in the face of common sense: the idea that if a police officer causes you pain, even in the line of duty, is prima face evidence of his malicious intent towards you would, if actually applied, make the profession of policing effectively illegal. Nice try though.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Whoa, I am watching the victim impact statement from the kid and she might be literally retarded.

The banana didn't fall far from the tree.

 

[BiggerChungus]

They focus all day on the family that's made more money in a year than all of us on the farms combined will make in our lifetimes about the father who was killed committing a crime, which yeah, losing a family member sucks, but they don't at all give any attention to Chauvin's family who've now lost him for 22 years and are hated by the media and the mob that follows them because Derek was doing his job. How do you keep morale up when you know you've got a 50/50 shot of either losing your life or losing your job and going to prison every time you come across a nonwhite suspect?

Police are going to quit in droves and I don't blame them, and I'm not even dreading it anymore. Country's on a roller coaster into the dirt and it may as well take off the breaks, at least it'll be more exciting.